This is going to be FUN...Watching the new control of congress fall apart amongst some deeply divided democrats. I'm so giddy..I can't wait...LOL. Gephardt is right, Pelosi is going to have her hands full..not only with the republicans and the WH, but more importantly with her own party. Many of the recent congressional electees are very moderate and conservative, how well they toe the line with the party leadership which is more liberal will be an interesting sideshow. I've said for the past year that they can't agree amongst themselves and that watching the party implode on itself will be, while fun to watch, not in the best interests of the country. I hope I am wrong. One of the recent electees to the house from Indiana said, that as long as the democratic leadership stays away from the 3 g's...god, guns, and gays...that there should be little dissention amongst ranks, BUT, if they should try to push those topics, that he and the more conservative democrats are going to have difficulty voting with the party. WOW, and only two days after the election. How long do you think it will take the RNC to ramp up discussions on those very topics? Let's have a poll, how long until the democratic majority in BOTH the senate and the house simply degrades into constant bickering amongst themselves and slowing all legislation to almost a complete standstill....what say you?

Nobody even mentions that Lieberman got his job back...
More than a few rep would probably wish they had their job back these days. Instead they have to bring the crying child on stage.

None of the above.

Why not the poll option: Dems put differences aside, conclude from polls that Americans want moderate party leaders, keep to their promise, and hold houses (maybe give up Senate here and there) for the next 40yrs like they did '54 to '94? Dems have to mess up big for the American public to put trust back in Repubs within a few years. The sour taste will be around for a while.

None of the above.

Why not the poll option: Dems put differences aside, conclude from polls that Americans want moderate party leaders, keep to their promise, and hold houses (maybe give up Senate here and there) for the next 40yrs like they did '54 to '94? Dems have to mess up big for the American public to put trust back in Repubs within a few years. The sour taste will be around for a while.


you already have rather conservative democrats saying that they won't vote with the party on certain issues, and it's only two days after the elections

This is going to be FUN...Watching the new control of congress fall apart amongst some deeply divided democrats. I'm so giddy..I can't wait...LOL. Gephardt is right, Pelosi is going to have her hands full..not only with the republicans and the WH, but more importantly with her own party. Many of the recent congressional electees are very moderate and conservative, how well they toe the line with the party leadership which is more liberal will be an interesting sideshow. I've said for the past year that they can't agree amongst themselves and that watching the party implode on itself will be, while fun to watch, not in the best interests of the country. I hope I am wrong. One of the recent electees to the house from Indiana said, that as long as the democratic leadership stays away from the 3 g's...god, guns, and gays...that there should be little dissention amongst ranks, BUT, if they should try to push those topics, that he and the more conservative democrats are going to have difficulty voting with the party. WOW, and only two days after the election. How long do you think it will take the RNC to ramp up discussions on those very topics? Let's have a poll, how long until the democratic majority in BOTH the senate and the house simply degrades into constant bickering amongst themselves and slowing all legislation to almost a complete standstill....what say you?

Operation Iraqi Freedom fell apart largely due to Rummy's incompetance. Dems and many Republicans are "giddy" now that he's gone and they're optimistic about the new guy making things work.
You, on the other hand, are giddy about the prospects of Congress falling apart and the US legislative process falling apart.

you already have rather conservative democrats saying that they won't vote with the party on certain issues, and it's only two days after the elections

The Dems will have to stay away from touchstone issues (social issues). They are no longer monolithic on them. Settle on things that are definately going to get done. The Minimum Wage is raised, college loans will get a revamping, the drug give away to the pharmaceutical companies is over, the energy plan will get re-done.

The edges and difference will be seen if another change in the judiciary is made. Then you will see the difference between the Reid/Casey and the Kennedy wing of the party. But at the same time, the Senate settles these issues mostly behind closed doors, it is the HOReps that has been like hearding cats.

Plus, because of the number of "extra" seats a few defections still means that Pelosi can get things passed.

I would like for you to be more specific...WHAT dems and on WHAT issues...?

How dare people vote their minds and opinions for which they were elected rather than the party line as stated by whatever higher up... Bickering and finding some kind of compromise by which a vast majority of people can live by (read: not what a 48% majority of extremist voters believe and WANT everyone to live with) is what democracy is about. It's not about Right and Left. It's about all of us, and it's about making this nation palatable for everyone.

Personally, I'm convinced that this government was created to ensure some kind of massive jam of ideas so that hardly anything gets through unless it has massive support. We don't elect rulers. We don't elect one idea or dogma to run this country. We elect individuals who represent what we think, and ideally these people fwill fight for whichever reasons they're elected. Not for some insane notion that they have all the answers, and can cure all of this nations' problems. That's a bunch of BS.

If anyone believes that one single ideology has all of the right ideas, and believes that that particular set of ideals will create some kind of perfect world, I'll have to go ahead and call that person a complete moron. Competition, arguement, discussion and realistic compromise between many different ideologies will work for me. let cons and dems argue all day long. Maybe after they let out all of that hot air some thing decent will come of it when they realize that they aren't getting anywhere and they've got to compromise.

If you want a dictator, or a particular ideology that rules supreme, then I'm affraid that I'll have to tell you that you're in the wrong country.



joe

How the Dems affect the war in Iraq is how they'll be judged from this election to the next. Iraq is the primary source of voter discontent from which the Dems extracted a political victory. Scandal is a strong second but those issues will be quickly forgotten now that most of the perps are out of the spotlight.

Whining and obstructing isn't going to cut it now. They actually have to do something. If they turn this into a "just dick with W and Dick game", John McCain will be there to thank them in 2008.

Can the Dems screw themselves in the next two years? They can do it a quarter of that time.

Operation Iraqi Freedom fell apart largely due to Rummy's incompetance. Dems and many Republicans are "giddy" now that he's gone and they're optimistic about the new guy making things work.
You, on the other hand, are giddy about the prospects of Congress falling apart and the US legislative process falling apart.


right, I am giddy, because I have lost all faith that the current governmental structure can accomplish anything, and the sooner the two party system is destroyed, the sooner we can return the government to it's original intentions.

How quickly we forget that it is easier to be against something, than for something. It will be a long time until the democrats forget about what things were like for the past 6 years, and that in of itself, will be quite unifying.