View Full Version : Is this election a mandate for tax increases?


Fredke
11-10-2006, 07:30 AM
The President's analysis of the elections: The People don't appreciate the importance of tax cuts:
THE PRESIDENT: I'm an optimistic person, is what I am. And I knew we were going to lose seats, I just didn't know how many.

Q How could you not know that and not be out of touch?

THE PRESIDENT: You didn't know it, either.

Q A lot of polls showed it.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, there was a -- I read those same polls, and I believe that -- I thought when it was all said and done, the American people would understand the importance of taxes.
My follow-up question is whether, since the Republicans stated over and over again, that a vote for Democrats was a vote to raise taxes, would they now conclude that this election provided a decisive mandate for raising taxes?

mohair_chair
11-10-2006, 07:34 AM
Actually, maybe now the Democrats can restore the already expired tax cuts, like they tried to do, but were blocked by Republicans. Republicans stubbornly insisted on tying the repeal of the estate tax to the package. Result: no go, and taxpayers lose.

I don't see any mandate to raise taxes.

undies
11-10-2006, 07:35 AM
Hopefully what we have here is a mandate to restrain spending.

JayTee
11-10-2006, 07:38 AM
Agreed. Out of control spending is issue # 1 and certain of the cuts will be issue # 2.

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 07:41 AM
not really but they'll roll all the sweetheart deals the top percent has had these last 6 years (the ones W wanted to make permanent). They can bury the Estate tax (and quit calling it the Death Tax, thanx for that one Karl) the Dems already compromised at I think $3 million. If you stand to inherit more than that, quit yer *****in' and pay the tax, it's free money to ya.
So I think we will see not so much a hike but a shift.

harlond
11-10-2006, 07:55 AM
They probably need to adjust the Alternative Minimum Tax to avoid unhappiness, although that exacerbates the problem.

But with a deficit this size, you have to do something to rein matters in. The first Bush lost his bid for re-election in significant measure due to deficit hawk votes siphoned off by Perot. That could be a powerful theme again for somebody.

As for me, the size of this deficit has me reassessing the long-term value of my 401K versus Roth vehicles.

Mel Erickson
11-10-2006, 08:15 AM
If the election was a mandate on anything it was Iraq. Everything else was secondary. Not unimportant, just secondary. When economic policy is considered I don't think it was a mandate for higher or lower taxes. It was a call for fiscal responsibility.

Dwayne Barry
11-10-2006, 08:20 AM
Hopefully what we have here is a mandate to restrain spending.

The place to start is the military since it such a huge portion of our spending and is "outdated" in a sense. One of the criticisms of Rummy was that he along with Bush continued to support cold-war era type of defense spending on massively expensive high-tech weapons projects.

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 08:35 AM
The place to start is the military since it such a huge portion of our spending and is "outdated" in a sense. One of the criticisms of Rummy was that he along with Bush continued to support cold-war era type of defense spending on massively expensive high-tech weapons projects.

but Congress is as guilty as the Pres. they write the appropriations. So while Dems tried to get more money for Port Security (more manpower, more technology) the Cons killed it and then the Cons appropriated the same amount of money for more Star Wars BS.
Why? because the contractors who make this stuff own them.
this again is another reason we on the left have been saying the rights 'concern over terror' is as much ofna ruse as their 'concern about morals'

Snakebit
11-10-2006, 08:41 AM
not really but they'll roll all the sweetheart deals the top percent has had these last 6 years (the ones W wanted to make permanent). They can bury the Estate tax (and quit calling it the Death Tax, thanx for that one Karl) the Dems already compromised at I think $3 million. If you stand to inherit more than that, quit yer *****in' and pay the tax, it's free money to ya.
So I think we will see not so much a hike but a shift.

That seems to be predicated on the idea that ALL money and real estate belongs only to the government, no private ownership, and the government has the final say on disposition of those holdings. What is fair for three thousand is fair for three hundred million. Ownership is private and should be handed down to heirs, not government.

Dwayne Barry
11-10-2006, 08:47 AM
Ownership is private and should be handed down to heirs, not government.

Couldn't agree more. Hasn't all this money already been taxed once? Suddenly when there's enough of it people lose the principle of private wealth and ownership?

The owner should be able to decide where 100% of the money goes. It is unethical for the government to dip into the pot a second time. The estate tax should be abolished. IMHO, the fair way to do it is a flat income tax in combination with a national sales tax (so people who spend more get taxed more).

SilasCL
11-10-2006, 09:15 AM
My guess is that the tax cuts will expire.

I love the ownership argument guys...sounds like all taxes are unethical. Guess what, every penny you earn has something owed to the government. Unless that money you earned didn't depend on government services in any way.

Silas

undies
11-10-2006, 09:16 AM
The place to start is the military since it such a huge portion of our spending and is "outdated" in a sense. One of the criticisms of Rummy was that he along with Bush continued to support cold-war era type of defense spending on massively expensive high-tech weapons projects.That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that we've been at war on multiple fronts now for over five years with *only* ~3000 dead US soldiers. I don't mean to diminish the tragedy of those deaths, but compare the total to any previous major conflict and our death toll is not as bad. Those expensive high-tech weapons allow us to go in and execute foreign policy with a minimum risk to American lives.

Of course we can argue as to the benefit of certain foreign policy decisions, but right now we're talking about the tools in the toolbox, not the loose nut holding the tools. I agree that certain programs have questionable beneficiality; the JSF is a great example; I don't know what it does that the F/A-18 platform can't do. And IMO we should change our foreign policy to a more defensive, marginally isolationist standpoint. We are spending both money and political capital by projecting our power all over the world. But when you complain about expensive weapons systems remember that to a large extent you are choosing between spending dollars or lives. I'll take the former.

undies
11-10-2006, 09:26 AM
IMHO, the fair way to do it is a flat income tax in combination with a national sales tax (so people who spend more get taxed more).EGADS NO.

There has been talk of a national sales tax for many years now. It was always presented as an *alternative* to the income tax, but I have always spoken vehemently against it because I knew it was only a matter of time before we started hearing statements like the above.

History clearly shows that dividing tax burden among multiple revenue sources ultimately leads to a higher overall tax burden. Suppose the marginal average income tax rate of 20% (just throwing a figure out there for argument's sake) is reduced to 12%, with a 5% sales tax added to offset. It is only a matter of time before the rates creep up, and in a few years you will be paying 15% income and 10% sales tax. This is all hypothetical of course but if you look at states that have played with their revenue systems over the years you will see the same thing. States with the lowest tax burdens are those which lack either a sales or income tax.

I have many other objections to a national sales tax, but the primary one is that I don't want another national tax heaped on top of all the other taxes we already pay. And do not fool yourself that we could completely replace national income and payroll taxes with a sales tax; that sales tax would need to be 30-35% and that's never going to fly. Even the "Fair Tax" idiots acknowledge that a 20-25% sales tax would be necessary to replace the income tax, and that assumes payroll taxes are maintained.

Dwayne Barry
11-10-2006, 09:34 AM
EGADS NO.

Well my assessment isn't based on minimizing the amount of tax I pay but coming up with a fair system. You seem to be arguing that in practice it leads to higher tax rates and is therefore bad. Unless we significantly cut our spending then the government needs more money.

Dwayne Barry
11-10-2006, 09:43 AM
I just get the impression that it is overkill at this point and that almost no one and certainly the likely islamo-fascist enemies of the future is anywhere in the ballpark of being able to stand up to our military. What we have is sufficient to easily overwhelm them if they want to stand up and fight.

I'd venture a guess that if you look at how most of the 3000 deaths have occurred that there is little in the way of technology that could have saved them. Or at least better body armour, vehicle armour that could have done something is a drop in the bucket compared to any kind of new weapons program.

Any sensible islamic-fascist strategy planner is never going to line up on the battlefield with us unless they've decided there is a political gain worth getting lots of their guys killed and losing the battle. Road side bombs and snipers are what are killing our guys.

undies
11-10-2006, 09:43 AM
Well my assessment isn't based on minimizing the amount of tax I pay but coming up with a fair system.Fair enough. There are many definitions of "fair" however.

You seem to be arguing that in practice it leads to higher tax rates and is therefore bad.Yes, that is my argument exactly.

Unless we significantly cut our spending then the government needs more money.Agreed. So let's focus on cutting that spending, and do it quick.

harlond
11-10-2006, 11:10 AM
Couldn't agree more. Hasn't all this money already been taxed once? Suddenly when there's enough of it people lose the principle of private wealth and ownership?

The owner should be able to decide where 100% of the money goes. It is unethical for the government to dip into the pot a second time. The estate tax should be abolished. IMHO, the fair way to do it is a flat income tax in combination with a national sales tax (so people who spend more get taxed more).No, it hasn't all been taxed once. The inheritors of capital assets get a stepped-up basis, so capital gains taxes are not paid following the transfer of the assets after death. And the richer the deceased, generally speaking, the more likely that he is bequeathing capital assets.

Dwayne Barry
11-10-2006, 12:34 PM
No, it hasn't all been taxed once. The inheritors of capital assets get a stepped-up basis, so capital gains taxes are not paid following the transfer of the assets after death. And the richer the deceased, generally speaking, the more likely that he is bequeathing capital assets.

So are estate taxes only paid on the capital assets (I assume this is wealth that has accrued but was never taxed, like appreciation in property value, etc.) or is more than that taxed?

eyebob
11-10-2006, 01:36 PM
One that's well worth remembering. It's important to limit taxes and limit spending, but remember that everything we get has bee subsidized in one way shape or form by the Govt.

What really needs to happen is to get back to basics. What do we the people expect from our govenment? Security, roads, clean air and water, a good food supply, good K-12 schools, and (as much as it's possible) freedom to work at whatever endeavor makes us happy. Regulations should be enforceable.

The first was to reduce spending is bugging out of Iraq. Imagine what, if any deficits we'd have if we didn't has that 1B per day price tag?

BT

KenB
11-10-2006, 02:40 PM
What do we the people expect from our govenment?

I believe security is the only "service" that our federal government was ever intended to provide. Outide of that, IMO, it should only be concerned with enforcing the laws it passes. "Services" should fall to the states.

physasst
11-10-2006, 05:17 PM
I believe security is the only "service" that our federal government was ever intended to provide. Outide of that, IMO, it should only be concerned with enforcing the laws it passes. "Services" should fall to the states.


let the Federal Tax get cut by at least half...if not more, and then each state can raise or lower the tax burden on state income taxes to fund roads, schools, medicaid, etc. I find it moreonic that a Senator from NY or any other state for that matter, can decide what monies get appropriated to my state. I would like to the Fed. Govt. downsized DRAMATICALLY...like cut 3/4ths of the jobs and shift all of the regulatory stuff back to the states....at least that's my opinion..the feds should do nothing but national security, possibly a nationalized health system, and very little else...The IRS should be burned to the ground.....not saying I would do that...just saying what SHOULD happen.

SilasCL
11-10-2006, 05:30 PM
Phys and Ken, you guys crack me up.

Let's submarine all those regulatory agencies too. SEC, who needs em? EPA, overrated...FBI, just overpaid cops.

The country is what it is today due to the strong federal government, not in spite of it,

Silas

KenB
11-10-2006, 05:39 PM
Phys and Ken, you guys crack me up.

Let's submarine all those regulatory agencies too. SEC, who needs em? EPA, overrated...FBI, just overpaid cops.

The country is what it is today due to the strong federal government, not in spite of it,

Silas


Where in my post did you see anything about "submarining" regulatory agencies??? How could you even come close to pulling that out of what I posted???


Snake, is this you logging in under Silas' account?

physasst
11-10-2006, 05:43 PM
Phys and Ken, you guys crack me up.

Let's submarine all those regulatory agencies too. SEC, who needs em? EPA, overrated...FBI, just overpaid cops.

The country is what it is today due to the strong federal government, not in spite of it,

Silas


I ever suggest getting rid of them altogether...no..I think most of that should be done by the states though, perhaps not the FBI..but that goes back to providing national security. The SEC also is related to security in a round about way...my thoughts are with agencies such as the EPA which could be much better run on a state to state basis. We are the United STATES of America.......Much like the EU, at least in my mind. Each state should be run much like a small country, with the Fed providing MINIMAL oversight.

SilasCL
11-10-2006, 05:44 PM
Where in my post did you see anything about "submarining" regulatory agencies??? How could you even come close to pulling that out of what I posted???


Snake, is this you logging in under Silas' account?

Don't worry, I'm me...It was in Physasst's post.

I'm not sure what you would define as services though. Care to expound?

My biggest problem with gov. spending is how much of their spending is used as a bonus for state spending. When CA decides to improve schools, part of the reasoning is that they will get a big chunk from the feds too, so why not go for it. This is insanity, IMO.

Silas

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 05:46 PM
because all these 'bureaucracies' were invented in reaction to people behaving poorly.
We already had a system of less regulation and when left to their own devices people didn't behave responsibly. I guess folks would rather go back to having lakes catching on fire and little kids working 12-15 hr days. Stupid Child Labor Laws, stupid OSHA c'mon didn't anybody see the show on the Bangladesh ship stripping operations? Reminded me of America 'back in the day' little kids, men working in dangerous conditions with no safety equipment, the fuel and oils spilling into the ocean killing alll the wildlife, guys with missing limbs from work related accidents wandering around trying to find something they can do to make enough to eat, all working 12 -16 hr days for about .30 cents. ah unfettered, unregulated capitalism, stupid govt. and all its regulatory agencies.
Ken you knows I loves ya but this is where we part ways. This is where the Liberal and Libertarian are divided. I mean I wish we could go your route, honestly but it's never gonna happen because there is no such thing as moral and responsible capitalism.

SilasCL
11-10-2006, 05:52 PM
I ever suggest getting rid of them altogether...no..I think most of that should be done by the states though, perhaps not the FBI..but that goes back to providing national security. The SEC also is related to security in a round about way...my thoughts are with agencies such as the EPA which could be much better run on a state to state basis. We are the United STATES of America.......Much like the EU, at least in my mind. Each state should be run much like a small country, with the Fed providing MINIMAL oversight.

I see your point, but the reason the EU was created is in part to grant greater economic power to the countries. It does this by relieving the difficulties of inter-country commerce. You need a strong federal gov. to make it happen.

As someone who grew up in Rhode Island, state's rights on environmental protection is a scary idea. If Mass and Connecticut mess things up, I bet RI will get the shaft as well.

Silas

KenB
11-10-2006, 05:53 PM
let the Federal Tax get cut by at least half...if not more, and then each state can raise or lower the tax burden on state income taxes to fund roads, schools, medicaid, etc. I find it moreonic that a Senator from NY or any other state for that matter, can decide what monies get appropriated to my state. I would like to the Fed. Govt. downsized DRAMATICALLY...like cut 3/4ths of the jobs and shift all of the regulatory stuff back to the states....at least that's my opinion..the feds should do nothing but national security, possibly a nationalized health system, and very little else...The IRS should be burned to the ground.....not saying I would do that...just saying what SHOULD happen.


I wouldn't even go as far as a nationalized healthcare system.... let the states provide one for their citizens. I wouldn't shift the regulatory stuff to the states though. IMO, *that* is the role the fed is supposed to play. Congress makes the laws, Executive enforces. The fed should not be in the business of funding anything other than the military and, on a limited basis, the "useful arts".

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 05:58 PM
I wouldn't even go as far as a nationalized healthcare system.... let the states provide one for their citizens. I wouldn't shift the regulatory stuff to the states though. IMO, *that* is the role the fed is supposed to play. Congress makes the laws, Executive enforces. The fed should not be in the business of funding anything other than the military and, on a limited basis, the "useful arts".

Nationalizing the paperwork. 1 frickin' form for all carriers and providers. that would save a ton.

what are useful arts? like Ninjitsu?

KenB
11-10-2006, 06:00 PM
because all these 'bureaucracies' were invented in reaction to people behaving poorly.
We already had a system of less regulation and when left to their own devices people didn't behave responsibly. I guess folks would rather go back to having lakes catching on fire and little kids working 12-15 hr days. Stupid Child Labor Laws, stupid OSHA c'mon didn't anybody see the show on the Bangladesh ship stripping operations? Reminded me of America 'back in the day' little kids, men working in dangerous conditions with no safety equipment, the fuel and oils spilling into the ocean killing alll the wildlife, guys with missing limbs from work related accidents wandering around trying to find something they can do to make enough to eat, all working 12 -16 hr days for about .30 cents. ah unfettered, unregulated capitalism, stupid govt. and all its regulatory agencies.
Ken you knows I loves ya but this is where we part ways. This is where the Liberal and Libertarian are divided. I mean I wish we could go your route, honestly but it's never gonna happen because there is no such thing as moral and responsible capitalism.

The problem is that nowhere have I suggested that we do the things you just posted. I've never argued that the federal government does not have the authority to pass regulatory laws and create regulatory agencies. Never. It's well within the Constitution for the fed to do exactly that and I, for one, wish that it would do just that... and only that.

Where I take issue is with federal funding of various programs. That is not the purpose of the fed. Let the states handle the programs their citizens desire. If Cali wants to buy clothes for everyone of its kids, then let Cali's voters decide to do it and fund it. If MD wants to provide free English classes to immigrants, then let MD voters decide to do it and fund it.

physasst
11-10-2006, 06:02 PM
because all these 'bureaucracies' were invented in reaction to people behaving poorly.
We already had a system of less regulation and when left to their own devices people didn't behave responsibly. I guess folks would rather go back to having lakes catching on fire and little kids working 12-15 hr days. Stupid Child Labor Laws, stupid OSHA c'mon didn't anybody see the show on the Bangladesh ship stripping operations? Reminded me of America 'back in the day' little kids, men working in dangerous conditions with no safety equipment, the fuel and oils spilling into the ocean killing alll the wildlife, guys with missing limbs from work related accidents wandering around trying to find something they can do to make enough to eat, all working 12 -16 hr days for about .30 cents. ah unfettered, unregulated capitalism, stupid govt. and all its regulatory agencies.
Ken you knows I loves ya but this is where we part ways. This is where the Liberal and Libertarian are divided. I mean I wish we could go your route, honestly but it's never gonna happen because there is no such thing as moral and responsible capitalism.


no one suggested not regulating those things either, I just think that should fall on each state. If California decides to legalize drugs...so be it...If South Dakota decides to vote to outlaw Abortion..which they just did..and it failed, so be it...Let the states decide...ESPECIALLY when it comes to federal tax dollars.....I don't know what your needs in California are, just as you do not know mine in Minnesota. That's my point.

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 06:02 PM
I'm alright with the states rights thing, I can dig that

KenB
11-10-2006, 06:11 PM
Nationalizing the paperwork. 1 frickin' form for all carriers and providers. that would save a ton.

what are useful arts? like Ninjitsu?
Well, that's up to interpretation but since Congress is supposed to promote them through copyright.... I'd say government funded research programs that benefit all states would be a safe bet. The DoA runs a bunch, as does the CDC and NASA. The problems with these agencies and programs right now is the pork. That can be taken away by making the data available to all and letting private enterprise (see X-Prize for example) take over the development part.

KenB
11-10-2006, 06:19 PM
I'm alright with the states rights thing, I can dig that
I gotta shed that libertarian label.... it doesn't fit. :)

I'm in the original intent camp. Which is a federal government that is very strong within its limited scope. Should the Democratic-Republican Party ever make a comeback, I'll sign up right quick.

KenB
11-10-2006, 06:32 PM
Don't worry, I'm me...It was in Physasst's post.

I'm not sure what you would define as services though. Care to expound?

My biggest problem with gov. spending is how much of their spending is used as a bonus for state spending. When CA decides to improve schools, part of the reasoning is that they will get a big chunk from the feds too, so why not go for it. This is insanity, IMO.

Silas

If it's doing something other than enforcing the law, it's probably a service.
If you can sign up for and receive something, it's service. If it's paving a road, opening a door, writing a check or paying a bill, it's a service.

Federal and State income taxes are reversed. No federal funding of state programs. It IS insanity.

physasst
11-10-2006, 06:36 PM
I see your point, but the reason the EU was created is in part to grant greater economic power to the countries. It does this by relieving the difficulties of inter-country commerce. You need a strong federal gov. to make it happen.

As someone who grew up in Rhode Island, state's rights on environmental protection is a scary idea. If Mass and Connecticut mess things up, I bet RI will get the shaft as well.

Silas


the RI governor would need to do some pretty serious negotiating with his neighbors to ensure that RI is kept clean. Most all of these programs can be shifted into the states realm of responsibility. Let RI decide what kind of revenue it needs to fund its programs, and then adjust their tax base accordingly.

Mel Erickson
11-10-2006, 06:45 PM
Much of what the EPA does is actually carried out by the states. Some states are given more leeway than others because they do a better job but even in the states that are kept on a shorter leash it's the states that do the work. Same with the majority of human services programs and education, too. The feds hand out the money, the states develop and enforce the programs under general guidelines.

physasst
11-10-2006, 06:50 PM
Much of what the EPA does is actually carried out by the states. Some states are given more leeway than others because they do a better job but even in the states that are kept on a shorter leash it's the states that do the work. Same with the majority of human services programs and education, too. The feds hand out the money, the states develop and enforce the programs under general guidelines.


point is that the feds shouldn't even be involved.....and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be collecting money for it...

atpjunkie
11-10-2006, 07:10 PM
why have you had no concern about a govt that spends like a meth addict with a stolen credit card.
you really need to find some consistency in your psoitions
the only taxes that are gonna get raised are folks a couple zeros over your bracket

Mel Erickson
11-10-2006, 07:38 PM
One for instance. If the feds weren't involved in setting air pollution standards for power plants how would we fair? Different regs in each state. Pollution travelling hundreds of miles from their source and affecting people several states away. Without consistent regulation it would be a mess. Similar examples in most other areas where the feds regulate and the states carry out.

KenB
11-10-2006, 08:07 PM
One for instance. If the feds weren't involved in setting air pollution standards for power plants how would we fair? Different regs in each state. Pollution travelling hundreds of miles from their source and affecting people several states away. Without consistent regulation it would be a mess. Similar examples in most other areas where the feds regulate and the states carry out.


I agree that we need consistent laws for things like the environment. It's too easy for the policies of one state to cause harm to others. The fed should create and enforce those laws. The states, however, should responsible for doing what is necessary for compliance. If that means raising taxes or cutting services, let it happen on the state level according to what its citizens decide through their state representatives.

That is how the system was designed to operate.

Snakebit
11-10-2006, 08:19 PM
I agree that we need consistent laws for things like the environment. It's too easy for the policies of one state to cause harm to others. The fed should create and enforce those laws. The states, however, should responsible for doing what is necessary for compliance. If that means raising taxes or cutting services, let it happen on the state level according to what its citizens decide through their state representatives.

That is how the system was designed to operate.

Won't the Fed be responsible for petroleum industry compliance after the Libertarians nationalize it?

refund!?
11-10-2006, 08:26 PM
The only certainties are taxes & death, and it's time for this thread to die...

TrailNut
11-10-2006, 08:28 PM
no taxes
more tax incentives (cuts) to develop alternative and renewable energy
more personbal liberties
less government intrusion for individual: pro-choice, Legalize It, repeal seatbelt and helmet laws
govenment should step in to regualte public goods and fair business practices only

SilasCL
11-10-2006, 08:29 PM
If it's doing something other than enforcing the law, it's probably a service.
If you can sign up for and receive something, it's service. If it's paving a road, opening a door, writing a check or paying a bill, it's a service.

Federal and State income taxes are reversed. No federal funding of state programs. It IS insanity.

Just clarifying...because it can get a bit murky. SEC is regulatory but also provides a service to investors, but you definition makes sense.

I appreciate your originalist leanings, but I just can't go all the way. Infrastructure spending by our federal government has fueled a lot of the growth in our economy. Same goes for their spending on research.

My biggest problems are the way they subtly influence everyone. From mortgage tax deductions to paying states for spending money, the fed. govt. causes damage that states wouldn't ever do.

Silas

KenB
11-10-2006, 08:50 PM
Just clarifying...because it can get a bit murky. SEC is regulatory but also provides a service to investors, but you definition makes sense.

I appreciate your originalist leanings, but I just can't go all the way. Infrastructure spending by our federal government has fueled a lot of the growth in our economy. Same goes for their spending on research.

My biggest problems are the way they subtly influence everyone. From mortgage tax deductions to paying states for spending money, the fed. govt. causes damage that states wouldn't ever do.

Silas


I don't have problems with research spending. Fund it. Fund research into the "useful arts". Just let the private sector handle the development part.

Infrastructure spending HAS fueled a lot of growth. It has also caused a lot of problems. The Interstate Highways System is one very good example. A good portion of the blame for suburbanization and the decline of our cities can be laid at its feet. The Hoover Dam, Mississippi dam projects, levies in NO..... good intentions with not always good outcomes.

Now, my views on what services my state should provide are very much different from my views on the fed: Education, Energy, Infrastructure, Healthcare.

JoeDaddio
11-10-2006, 10:16 PM
I thought that Bush said that voting for a democrat was akin to voting for terrorists..... ?




joe

Snakebit
11-11-2006, 05:19 AM
I thought that Bush said that voting for a democrat was akin to voting for terrorists..... ?




joe

This guy seems to like the way thijngs are going.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/62EAC050-BB8C-4BEA-8053-EF3EE6736414.htm

Turtleherder
11-11-2006, 06:56 AM
Why do Dems tax and love it? They wanna take from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hoods with an arrow through their hearts they are. I am exhausted of social programs. If they wanna take the money to solidify our borders, ports and infrastructure, okay, just don't tell me the money is going to social, welfare and abortion programs.

O.K. First it should be noted that the federal government if forbidden by law from providing any funding for abortion. Next, what type of "welfare" are you talking about? Is it just the programs that help individual people or are you talking about corporate welfare? What about farm programs? What about the Small Business Administration? Give us a hint as to where you draw the line.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 07:10 AM
The place to start is the military since it such a huge portion of our spending and is "outdated" in a sense. One of the criticisms of Rummy was that he along with Bush continued to support cold-war era type of defense spending on massively expensive high-tech weapons projects.
This is completely wrong. Rummy repeatedly tried to cut spending on the military, which is one reason he was so unpopular with the brass. Iraq is a great example. Brass wanted much larger, more expensive deployment, whilst Rummy wanted to do it on the cheap with only a minimal force.

Congress, on the other hand (as ATP notes below) repeatedly forced weapons systems on the Pentagon that neither Rummy nor the brass wanted.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 08:05 AM
I would like to the Fed. Govt. downsized DRAMATICALLY...like cut 3/4ths of the jobs and shift all of the regulatory stuff back to the states....at least that's my opinion..the feds should do nothing but national security, possibly a nationalized health system, and very little else...The IRS should be burned to the ground

Problems with letting states manage most regulations:

50 different sets of clean-air regulations mean that car manufacturers need to make 50 different models to comply with 50 sets of rules. This is why the Clean Air Act allows only two sets of clean-air standards: the EPA's and California's (CA got grandfathered because they had clean air laws before the federal gov't).
Medical: Drugs and medical equipment must be certified by 50 different states with 50 different procedures instead of one time by FDA.

The list goes on. Think of air traffic, interstate trucking, regulating interstate communications (telephone, airwaves, internet). Most industries strongly support federal regulation instead of state regulation (see, e.g., Cent. Valley Chrysler Jeep v. Witherspoon, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 48892 (E.D. Cal., July 7, 2006)).


Problems with cutting 3/4 of federal jobs: Out of 1.8 million civil-service jobs (we're not counting active-duty military), 1/3 (600,000) work at the defense dep't., 200,000 at Veterans' Administration, 150,000 at homeland security, 100,000 at Dep't. of Justice, 102,000 at Agriculture, 95,000 at Treasury, about another 250,000 at other executive agencies and 180,000 at independent agencies (largest of which is 65,000 at Social Security). So if you want to cut 1.3 million jobs, you're going to have to gut military and cime-fighting even if you completely eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Agriculture, Welfare, Education, and shut down all government scientific research labs.

Problem with burning down IRS: How are you going to fund the military and national medical care. Let's take out Social Security and Medicare which are funded by FICA, not income taxes. What's left is about 1 trillion in income taxes, which we spend thus: $500 billion for military, $30 billion on Homeland Security, $400 billion for other discretionary spending (largest pieces are HHS, VA, and Education), and $500 billion on mandatory spending (largest chunk is $200 billion on Medicaid). Expenses and Revenues don't match which is why we have a deficit.

Thus, if you add medical care to national defense you get around $800 billion (adding Homeland Security, Defense, Medicaid, VA, and a few other small programs), so if you cut everything else the federal gov't does, you'd still need $800 billion in taxes. With what would you replace the IRS to generate $800 billion in revenues?

atpjunkie
11-11-2006, 08:31 AM
. ext, what type of "welfare" are you talking about? Is it just the programs that help individual people or are you talking about corporate welfare? What about farm programs? What about the Small Business Administration? Give us a hint as to where you draw the line.

they always say the same thing. Halliburton and KBR have stolen more tax dollars in the last 3 years than all welfare cheats combined over history by exponential margins.
Let's just start with the $9 billion missing. KP do a bit of research and see how much the Fed spends on the poor and compare to this war before you open yer trap.

second Reagan, your God. Do you remember the S&L Bailout created during his tenure, you know voodoo economics, junk bonds, well the COST TO THE TAXPAYER (that's you and me) to bail out the banks was over triple the 69 year total of AFDC (aid to families with dependent children). So quit with yer frickin' social programs crap, it's spi t in the bucket compared to the crap dumped into the MIC and the likes.
Heck, Oil Companies showing record profits, why do they get subsidies?
Why use tax money to build roads solely for the purpose that logging companies can use them to drive onto PUBLIC land and CLEAR CUT our trees? Look into the Tongass and see that this loggong industry welfare plan is well over 100 million$$$$$s

I mean why spend our money to improve low income schools and so that some poor kids attending aren't hungry all the day when some multimillionaires need another home in Switzerland or a new Jet, Yacht, etc..

Fredke
11-11-2006, 09:03 AM
point is that the feds shouldn't even be involved.....and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be collecting money for it...
So would you abolish the Food and Drug Administration on this ground? Leave the certification of pharmaceuticals and the regulation of their manufacture and distribution to individual states?

Fredke
11-11-2006, 09:07 AM
One for instance. If the feds weren't involved in setting air pollution standards for power plants how would we fair? Different regs in each state. Pollution travelling hundreds of miles from their source and affecting people several states away.
That's how federal clean air law worked until the mid-sixties when interstate transportation of air pollution led to the 1967 clean air act, which gave the government powers to manage interstate disputes. In 1970, it became clear that this passive approach wasn't working so the EPA was created (a Republican initiative, by the way) and the Clean Air Act was passed with enthusiastic bipartisan support. A couple of years later, the Clean Water Act was passed with equally bipartisan support.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 09:13 AM
I I'm in the original intent camp. Which is a federal government that is very strong within its limited scope.
The problem with this point of view is that if you're not careful, it could become internally inconsistent: The founders didn't envision the growth of either the nation or interstate commerce. They clearly spelled out that the federal government should regulate interstate commerce and now that the economy is dominated by interstate commerce, the federal role has necessarily expanded far beyond what was appropriate in the 18th century.

Thus the notion that the states take care of intrastate commerce and the fed takes care of interstate commerce may have become incompatible with a small, limited role for federal government.

Of course the fed often overreaches, and I would be the first to agree that things like federal laws against carrying guns into schoolyards are in no way justified by the interstate commerce clause (U.S. v. Lopez), but even if you toss out the overreaching, interstate commerce is so big today that the federal government must be much larger and more intrusive than the authors of the Constitution imagined.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 11:49 AM
Tax hike from them, again? We threw tea into Boston Harbor a while back. We threw tea in the harbor for the right to vote about taxes. The Republicans said that a vote for Dems was a vote for tax hikes and we voted decisively for the Democrats. Why doesn't that mean that the majority of us do want tax hikes?

KenB
11-11-2006, 02:04 PM
The problem with this point of view is that if you're not careful, it could become internally inconsistent: The founders didn't envision the growth of either the nation or interstate commerce. They clearly spelled out that the federal government should regulate interstate commerce and now that the economy is dominated by interstate commerce, the federal role has necessarily expanded far beyond what was appropriate in the 18th century.

Thus the notion that the states take care of intrastate commerce and the fed takes care of interstate commerce may have become incompatible with a small, limited role for federal government.

Of course the fed often overreaches, and I would be the first to agree that things like federal laws against carrying guns into schoolyards are in no way justified by the interstate commerce clause (U.S. v. Lopez), but even if you toss out the overreaching, interstate commerce is so big today that the federal government must be much larger and more intrusive than the authors of the Constitution imagined.

None of this is inconsistent with my position.

I think you're mistaken about the vision of the Founders.... they knew the states, if left on their own under the Articles of Conferderation, would ultimately end up at each other's throats over commerce. They wanted the free flow of commerce between the states and they wanted all states treated equally.

I'm not looking to cut regulation and enforcement nor am I looking to push those roles to the states. It's federal services that need to go back to the states.

KenB
11-11-2006, 02:10 PM
I truly don't think the American people voted a few days ago having tax as their number one issue. Do you?

No, but I think uncontrolled spending was pretty far up on the list for many.

physasst
11-11-2006, 03:19 PM
So would you abolish the Food and Drug Administration on this ground? Leave the certification of pharmaceuticals and the regulation of their manufacture and distribution to individual states?


I think the FDA should continue to evaluate new pharmaceuticals for efficacy and safety, but it should be up to each state to regulate the manufacture and distribution......I think the FDA should continue to exist..but in a MARKEDLY scaled down form. The CDC on the other hand should continue to exist, as epidemiology is necessary to carry out in a national, if not global arena.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 04:18 PM
I think the FDA should continue to evaluate new pharmaceuticals for efficacy and safety, but it should be up to each state to regulate the manufacture and distribution......I think the FDA should continue to exist..but in a MARKEDLY scaled down form. The CDC on the other hand should continue to exist, as epidemiology is necessary to carry out in a national, if not global arena.
OK, let's explore this: Four questions off the top of my head:

1) Who would have jurisdiction would internet pharmacies that ship across state lines? The state that houses the pharmacy or the state to which the order is shipped? Would drugs subject to abuse (oxycontin, pseudoephedrine) be under different jurisdiction from drugs that are not widely abused?

2) To effectively regulate distribution and manufacture of drugs, particularly quality assurance in manufacture, you need sophisticated scientific expertise. Right now, that expertise is centralized in the FDA. Wouldn't it be wasteful and difficult to duplicate this expertise in 50 states? Think economy of scale.

3) If there were many different laws regulating drugs (manufacturer liability, standards of purity, approved uses, etc.) wouldn't this make life much more difficult for pharma companies, which would in turn raise prices for consumers.?

Would 50 different sets of regulations also vastly complicate things for medical personnel who want to hold licenses to practice in multiple states?

4) Would a patchwork of pharmaceutical regulations would allow a state with lax laws to act like Mexico and set up cheap unregulated pharmacies at the border, except that neighboring states couldn't put a customs shack at the state line to try to control things?

This already happens with cigarettes and liquor, so I think it would be much worse with pharmaceuticals.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 04:25 PM
I truly don't think the American people voted a few days ago having tax as their number one issue. Do you?
No, not any more than I think you think the tea party was about taxation per se. We're both being hyperbolic here.

Toned down, I think the people do understand that they either need to raise taxes or cut spending dramatically and I think most people would find tax increases preferable to shutting down one quarter of the government. It's easy to claim that there's huge waste, but it's much harder to find $400 billion of fat that can be cut out.

So yes, while I don't think the people voted to raise taxes recklessly, I think they would like a return to the days, under Clinton, when taxes were slightly higher than today and the budget was balanced.

Remember that through most of the 1950s, under Eisenhower, we had great prosperity, great economic growth, and the tax on earnings over $400,000 was 95%.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I did misunderstand you.

KenB
11-11-2006, 04:34 PM
OK, let's explore this: Four questions off the top of my head:

1) Who would have jurisdiction would internet pharmacies that ship across state lines? The state that houses the pharmacy or the state to which the order is shipped? Would drugs subject to abuse (oxycontin, pseudoephedrine) be under different jurisdiction from drugs that are not widely abused?

2) To effectively regulate distribution and manufacture of drugs, particularly quality assurance in manufacture, you need sophisticated scientific expertise. Right now, that expertise is centralized in the FDA. Wouldn't it be wasteful and difficult to duplicate this expertise in 50 states? Think economy of scale.

3) If there were many different laws regulating drugs (manufacturer liability, standards of purity, approved uses, etc.) wouldn't this make life much more difficult for pharma companies, which would in turn raise prices for consumers.?

Would 50 different sets of regulations also vastly complicate things for medical personnel who want to hold licenses to practice in multiple states?

4) Would a patchwork of pharmaceutical regulations would allow a state with lax laws to act like Mexico and set up cheap unregulated pharmacies at the border, except that neighboring states couldn't put a customs shack at the state line to try to control things?

This already happens with cigarettes and liquor, so I think it would be much worse with pharmaceuticals.


I agree with this.

Phys, you're for a national health program, right? Being against the FDA almost seems to run counter to that. I think the FDA is too much in the pocket of the pharmas and I would like to see certain regulations relaxed but I can't see handing off regulation of something like this to the states as a good thing short or long term.

physasst
11-11-2006, 04:43 PM
OK, let's explore this: Four questions off the top of my head:

1) Who would have jurisdiction would internet pharmacies that ship across state lines? The state that houses the pharmacy or the state to which the order is shipped? Would drugs subject to abuse (oxycontin, pseudoephedrine) be under different jurisdiction from drugs that are not widely abused?

2) To effectively regulate distribution and manufacture of drugs, particularly quality assurance in manufacture, you need sophisticated scientific expertise. Right now, that expertise is centralized in the FDA. Wouldn't it be wasteful and difficult to duplicate this expertise in 50 states? Think economy of scale.

3) If there were many different laws regulating drugs (manufacturer liability, standards of purity, approved uses, etc.) wouldn't this make life much more difficult for pharma companies, which would in turn raise prices for consumers.?

Would 50 different sets of regulations also vastly complicate things for medical personnel who want to hold licenses to practice in multiple states?

4) Would a patchwork of pharmaceutical regulations would allow a state with lax laws to act like Mexico and set up cheap unregulated pharmacies at the border, except that neighboring states couldn't put a customs shack at the state line to try to control things?

This already happens with cigarettes and liquor, so I think it would be much worse with pharmaceuticals.

I am for a national health plan Ken, but one to administered state by state..In answer to your questions Fredke...

1. The state in which the pharmacy resides would be responsible, as this pharmacy is the shipping the drugs...

2. Possibly, I never said it was perfect, but I don't really trust nor like the federal government at ALL.

3.This already happens, medical personnel are licensed by the individual states medical or pharmacy boards, I can't see vastly different regulations being put in place, as the pharma companies would put pressure on the individual state assemblies to make things easier for them...

4. Possibly, but not likely, people will continue to get their medications from the places and pharmacies they trust...

I never said it would be easy...but the sooner we can see to the destruction of this monolithic beaurocratic nonsense..the better.

il sogno
11-11-2006, 04:44 PM
I thought that Bush said that voting for a democrat was akin to voting for terrorists..... ?
Can you imagine what the WH must've been like on election night? Positively jaw dropping! The American people decided they would rather have tax hiking, terrorist sympathizing, Nancy Pelosi-run democrats in congress over Bush Admin rubber stampers.

il sogno
11-11-2006, 04:52 PM
I am for a national health plan Ken, but one to administered state by state..In answer to your questions Fredke...

1. The state in which the pharmacy resides would be responsible, as this pharmacy is the shipping the drugs...

2. Possibly, I never said it was perfect, but I don't really trust nor like the federal government at ALL.

3.This already happens, medical personnel are licensed by the individual states medical or pharmacy boards, I can't see vastly different regulations being put in place, as the pharma companies would put pressure on the individual state assemblies to make things easier for them...

4. Possibly, but not likely, people will continue to get their medications from the places and pharmacies they trust...

I never said it would be easy...but the sooner we can see to the destruction of this monolithic beaurocratic nonsense..the better.
Wouldn't this put an enormous financial burden on the states? I would guess that most states are cash strapped enough as it is.

KenB
11-11-2006, 05:03 PM
Wouldn't this put an enormous financial burden on the states? I would guess that most states are cash strapped enough as it is.

To make it workable, you cut federal taxes accordingly so that the individual states can tax as needed to make up.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 05:10 PM
3.This already happens, medical personnel are licensed by the individual states medical or pharmacy boards, I can't see vastly different regulations being put in place, as the pharma companies would put pressure on the individual state assemblies to make things easier for them...
But reasonably uniform regulations makes it easy to cross-license. Several states have reciprocity agreements. Many others accept exams from other states to streamline the licensing. Without the umbrella of the federal government, this could become much more complicated.

Another twist is that while licensure to practice is managed by the states, licensure to prescribe controlled substances is still in the Feds' hands.

Hypothetical: Alaska, a very libertarian state, decides to make all drugs available OTC. No problem so far for other states---there's not even a contiguous border to cross. But then it also opens internet pharmacies to do mail order business for oxycontin and amphetamine. Great idea because Alaska brings in revenue, but abusers are thousands of miles away and don't clog up Alaskan jails and emergency departments.

Does anyone have jurisdiction to make Alaska stop?

And regarding number 4, unregulated pharmacies in Mexico do very brisk business with senior citizens from the US who go down to buy drugs they can't afford on their pensions or within the Medicare D hole. There are real problems with counterfeit drugs and things that haven't been properly stored. The Washington Post did a big story on this a year or two ago. If they'll go to Mexico, why not across the state line?

My argument is that sometimes monolithic bureaucracies are bad, but other times they provide an economy of scale and a great advantage to industry of providing a uniform set of rules. Next time you're chatting with someone from a drug or surgical equipment company, ask how their employer would feel about replacing the FDA with 50 state-level regulatory agencies.

Fredke
11-11-2006, 05:19 PM
Can you imagine what the WH must've been like on election night?
The Republican syllogism:

CONGRESSMAN BOEHNER [R-OH; House majority leader]: If you want to let the terrorists win in Iraq, just vote for the Democrats.

[The Dems win.]

BUSH: I thought when it was all said and done, the American people would understand the importance of taxes and the importance of security. But the people have spoken, and now it's time for us to move on.
The people have spoken, :idea: so I guess we should let the terrorists win. :out:

KenB
11-11-2006, 05:25 PM
Does anyone have jurisdiction to make Alaska stop?

There inlies one of the fundemental problems with the Articles of Confederation.

harlond
11-12-2006, 05:28 AM
Respectfully, I disagree. I think 99% of Americans don't want to pay one cent more in taxes. I could be overstating here, somewhat, it could be 90% not wanting to give even a nickel more, but you catch my drift.OTOH, I think 99% of Americans don't want the country to go bankrupt because the government was unable to balance its spending and taxing choices. (The 1% who do want the country to go bankrupt is led by Grover Norquist and his, as it happens, Republican cronies.) I believe American acceptance of necessary tax increases is far greater than you suggest. In Virginia, a state whose legislature features many virulent anti-taxers, there is broad support for assessment of taxes to address the serious transportation problems that exist in NOVA and Tidewater. I think that's one reason Tim Kaine, and not Jerry Kilgore, is governor. Indeed, in yesterday's Richmond Times-Dispatch, Kilgore himself admitted that if Republicans want to remain competitive in the state, they have to address the need for "rail and road," and rail and road means taxes.

With the gigantic Republican deficit we have now, it will be interesting to see if the Republicans can retain their antipathy toward tax increases without hurting themselves at the polls. They probably can, but some intelligent politicking by Democrats could see the election of a president who proposed tax increases as a necessary means of not bankrupting the nation (and of course, our children and our children's children, yada, yada, yada).

Len J
11-12-2006, 04:20 PM
attacking anything other than the military and SS/Medicaid is much todo about nothing. Here is the 2006 Budget (all #'s in Millions of $'s):

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BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="2.6" x:fmla="=D3-C4-C5-C6-C7">2.6 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Dept of AG</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="94.6">94.6 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Farm Svcs</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="20.1">20.1 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Food Stamps</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="37.6">37.6 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Child Nutrition</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="12.5">12.5 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="24.4" x:fmla="=D9-C10-C11-C12">24.4 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Dept of Commerce</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="6.5">6.5 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Dept of Defense</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="475.4">475.4 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Personnel</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="108.9">108.9 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Operations & Maint</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="154.2">154.2 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Procurement</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="80.8">80.8 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">R & D</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="68.1">68.1 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Retirement</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="44.7">44.7 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All Other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="18.7" x:fmla="=D15-C16-C17-C18-C19-C20">18.7 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Dept of Education</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="64.3">64.3 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Dept of Energy</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="22">22.0 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 27pt" height=36><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 27pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=36>Dept of Health & Human services</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="643.9">643.9 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Medicare/Medicade</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="544.3" x:fmla="=794.4-250.1">544.3 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">NIH</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="28.6">28.6 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 27pt" height=36><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 27pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=36></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Children/Families programs</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="47">47.0 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All Other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="24" x:fmla="=D24-C25-C26-C27">24.0 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 27pt" height=36><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 27pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=36>Department of Homeland security</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="33.3">33.3 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>HUD</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="40.2">40.2 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Deprtment of the Interior</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="9.8">9.8 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Department of Justice</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="23.4">23.4 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">FBI</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="5.4">5.4 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Fed'l Prisons</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="5">5.0 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="13" x:fmla="=D32-C33-C34">13.0 </TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Department of Labor</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="51.7">51.7 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Department of State</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="14.1">14.1 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Department of Transportation</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="60.6">60.6 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Department of Treasury</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="48.8">48.8 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Social Security Admin</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="583.5">583.5 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Veterans Affairs</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="68.3">68.3 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>EPA</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="8.2">8.2 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>NASA</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="15.7">15.7 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=19>Personnel Management</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="64.3">64.3 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="392.4">392.4 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.25pt" height=19><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 14.25pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=19></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height=18><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=18></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 title="Big Grin" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right border="0" smilieid="3" x:num="2756.1" x:fmla="=SUM(D1http://forums.roadbikereview.com/ alt=45)">2,756.1 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=17>SSA</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="583.5" x:fmla="=D40">583.5 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=17>Medicare/Medicade</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="544.3" x:fmla="=C25">544.3 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=17>Defense</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="475.4" x:fmla="=D15">475.4 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=17>Interest on Debt</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="392.4" x:fmla="=D45">392.4 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 height=17>All Other</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="760.5" x:fmla="=D55-D53-D52-D51-D50">760.5 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Total</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="2756.1" x:fmla="=D48">2,756.1 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

If you are going to cut.........there is your spots.

Len

KenB
11-12-2006, 04:38 PM
attacking anything other than the military and SS/Medicaid is much todo about nothing. Here is the 2006 Budget (all #'s in Millions of $'s):

<table style="width: 233pt; border-collapse: collapse;" x:str="" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="310"><colgroup><col style="width: 14pt;" width="19"><col style="width: 146pt;" width="194"><col style="width: 32pt;" width="43"><col style="width: 41pt;" width="54"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); width: 160pt; height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19" width="213">Legislative</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); width: 32pt; background-color: transparent;" width="43"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); width: 41pt; background-color: transparent;" x:num="4.4" align="right" width="54">4.4 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Judicial</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="6.1" align="right">6.1 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Executive</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="24.6" align="right">24.6 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Exec Office</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="7.2" align="right">7.2 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 27pt;" height="36"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 27pt; background-color: transparent;" height="36"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">International SecurityAssistance</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="8.1" align="right">8.1 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 27pt;" height="36"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 27pt; background-color: transparent;" height="36"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Multi Lateral Assistance</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="2" align="right">2.0 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Int Develop</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="4.7" align="right">4.7 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">All other</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="2.6" x:fmla="=D3-C4-C5-C6-C7" align="right">2.6 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Dept of AG</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="94.6" align="right">94.6 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Farm Svcs</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="20.1" align="right">20.1 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Food Stamps</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="37.6" align="right">37.6 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Child Nutrition</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="12.5" align="right">12.5 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">All other</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="24.4" x:fmla="=D9-C10-C11-C12" align="right">24.4 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Dept of Commerce</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="6.5" align="right">6.5 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Dept of Defense</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="475.4" align="right">475.4 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Personnel</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="108.9" align="right">108.9 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Operations & Maint</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="154.2" align="right">154.2 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Procurement</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="80.8" align="right">80.8 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">R & D</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="68.1" align="right">68.1 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Retirement</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="44.7" align="right">44.7 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">All Other</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="18.7" x:fmla="=D15-C16-C17-C18-C19-C20" align="right">18.7 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;"></td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Dept of Education</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="64.3" align="right">64.3 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="19">Dept of Energy</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="22" align="right">22.0 </td></tr><tr style="height: 27pt;" height="36"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 27pt; background-color: transparent;" colspan="2" height="36">Dept of Health & Human services</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="643.9" align="right">643.9 </td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Medicare/Medicade</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="544.3" x:fmla="=794.4-250.1" align="right">544.3 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">NIH</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="28.6" align="right">28.6 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 27pt;" height="36"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 27pt; background-color: transparent;" height="36">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">Children/Families programs</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="47" align="right">47.0 </td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 14.25pt; background-color: transparent;" height="19">
</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;">All Other</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); background-color: transparent;" x:num="24" x:fmla="=D24-C25-C26-C27" align="right">24.0