http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek/

According to some on here, a short while ago, Bush was going to surge in approval, and yet, here we are, a new low for Bush. 31% approval rating. Then again, he doesn't pay attention to polls right? Yeah, OK, I'm sure he doesn't at all.

The question remains. How low will he go? Lower? Will he even out? Will he go higher? Predictions anyone?

He is now officially a quarterback preparing to hand the ball to the next group of Republican candidates who will win in 2008. Bush didn't care what his poll numbers were in November 2005, so this poll matters even less.

Two-thousand and eight my friend.

You were the one hyping his rise in the polls a short while ago, and now it doesn't matter? Hmm, interesting turn of events from you indeed.

So are you willing to concede that Bush is irrelevant now, and a lame duck? Because, that's what he is fast becoming really.

And if the dems run Congress well, and do a good job, and pass legislation that benefits Americans, and run a good clean show, you have no chance in 2008...

Excuse me? Unless Bush starts making the pubs look damn good, you can expect a repeat of what just happened in 08. You think people would learn.

You were the one hyping his rise in the polls a short while ago, and now it doesn't matter? Hmm, interesting turn of events from you indeed.

So are you willing to concede that Bush is irrelevant now, and a lame duck? Because, that's what he is fast becoming really.

And if the dems run Congress well, and do a good job, and pass legislation that benefits Americans, and run a good clean show, you have no chance in 2008...

haha, yeah it reminds me of Rush flip flopping right after this recent election, claiming he will not carry the neo-con water anymore.

Bush didn't care what his poll numbers were in November 2005, so this poll matters even less.



yeah, and we saw what the result of that lack of concern did for his party.

you do realize Bush is only concerned with catching OBL every election cycle. otherwise, "he doesn't give him much thought"

Maybe his letting Rummy go alienated some of his right wing base.

Rudolph the rednosed reindeer will be on tv soon, for the kids, for Christmas. When you watch it, look at the characters on the Island of Misfits. Cause that's what Dems have as candidates for 2008.
Unlike the Republicans, who have Bill Frist and George Allen.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek/

According to some on here, a short while ago, Bush was going to surge in approval, and yet, here we are, a new low for Bush. 31% approval rating. Then again, he doesn't pay attention to polls right? Yeah, OK, I'm sure he doesn't at all.

The question remains. How low will he go? Lower? Will he even out? Will he go higher? Predictions anyone?

I'm embarassed and humiliated to admit that I voted for Bush in 2000. Do these 31% approve of Bush, or do they just refuse to admit their error? Reminds me of when my dad bought a new 1971 Plymoth Satellite. It was an absolute POS, but in 1974 he bought another new Plymouth. The "74 was another POS, but he bought another new Plymouth in 1979. I learned from dad's errors. I might never vote for another Republican

Not a new low...........He's going for #1
He's already beaten Jimmy Carter, who had a 34% approval rating.
He does have quite a way to go to top Nixon, with an award winning 24%
.
Go George, go !......Go George, go !

I think with a full half a term remaining (actually a little more, with a successor inaugurated in early 2009) I most certainly hope you aren't serious. There's STILL a country to run, answer to, and lead. An overseas conflict that is killing our young people and hurting our economy. I think the next two years matter a great deal.

Excuse me? Unless Bush starts making the pubs look damn good, you can expect a repeat of what just happened in 08. You think people would learn.

You have to remember that for the remaining two years, Democrats will behave like Democrats so there is a very good chancce that those who had memory problems will have them refreshed. No more, "bush sucks, vote for me," What they DO will count more than what they SAY.

You have to remember that for the remaining two years, Democrats will behave like Democrats so there is a very good chancce that those who had memory problems will have them refreshed. No more, "bush sucks, vote for me," What they DO will count more than what they SAY.

Yeah, but what they do will be compared to what bush does, which means there still will be "bush sucks vote for me". People are fickle, sure, but I think bush has made more than a lasting impression in the people, some people really don't like their rights being taken away, and that's something that takes a long time to forget, or getting us trapped in a needless war, where are those WMDs anyways?

Silly republicans.

" What they DO will count more than what they SAY.

ahhh, if only you applied that standard to the current administration. :(


oh, wait, you love the government spying on its citizens, throwing people in concentration camps indefinitely without charges, being defrauded of billions of American taxpayer dollars by its corporate pals, and having no idea where billions more went, torturing people, and causing the terrorist threat to grow and spread. .just as long as we're clear where you stand.

You have to remember that for the remaining two years, Democrats will behave like Democrats so there is a very good chancce that those who had memory problems will have them refreshed. No more, "bush sucks, vote for me," What they DO will count more than what they SAY.

I think that you're right that what they do will say a lot more, than, well, what they say.

All of this talk of democrats not having ideas, and which ways they want to go is hogwash. Always has been. The republicans, by the right of winning the majorities in Congress, have pushed the democratic agenda out of the public eye by not letting dem legislation even get out of committee, striking down amendments that they wanted into bills, and by basically controlling the whole process, which again, hey, they won, they get to do that. It's wrong, but it's their right. Now with the dems in the majority, they can start showing America that indeed, they do have ideas contrary to what Rush and the mainstream media have been telling America for a long time. Look at the list of what Pelosi would like to do in the first week of when she starts running the House. That's some pretty radical stuff, OK, it's not, but the things that she wants to do have the overwhelming support of the American populace in general. I know, she wants to do crazy things like:

Reduce student loan interest by half
Roll back tax cuts for the rich folks, and give them to the lower and middle class folks
Increase monies for stem cell research
Increase the federal minimum wage

And there are a few more in there as well.

If the dems, as they say they are going to do, work in a good bi-partisan fashion, and get things done in Congress, then the American people will definitely see that. Let's take a look at the Congressional approval ratings in 2 years, and see where they stand at that time. After the dems have had at least a couple of years to run the show, and get things done. I'm willing to bet that indeed, they may just go up. They have won the election, so they have moved out of the Bush sucks mantra that worked for them, and are now moving on to governing, and doing things right.

Not a new low...........He's going for #1
He's already beaten Jimmy Carter, who had a 34% approval rating.
He does have quite a way to go to top Nixon, with an award winning 24%
.
Go George, go !......Go George, go !

I think he can do it, I believe in him.

Bush is not irrelevant, we'll wake up tomorrow and he'll still be rising out of a king sized bed at The White House. Bush can still wield much power and it's his goal/objective to continue to keep us safe, address Iraq, kill OBL, enhance the nation's economy (our DOW is sky high) and...to help the Republican Party win in 2008.He might say those things, but he hasn't done them. His own administration's NIE acknowledged that the war in Iraq has increased the danger from terrorism, the Baker commission will soon report that Iraq must be addressed in a completely different manner than Dub has insisted on doing, the claim that Dub is interested in killing OBL is contrary to the facts, and while it's true that in some respects the economy is doing well, it's also true that the enormous Republican deficit poses an immense threat to continued economic well-being. The only party he helped in this election was the Democrats--given his past actions, it seems more than likely that he will still be helping them in 2008.

Did this midterm electin inject some hope into the Democrats? I imagine so. Still, in terms of anyone in their gang that can't shoot straight, their candidates for the Presidency...hope is not going to be enough.If Dub can win the presidency, any idiot can.

I'm embarassed and humiliated to admit that I voted for Bush in 2000. Do these 31% approve of Bush, or do they just refuse to admit their error? Reminds me of when my dad bought a new 1971 Plymoth Satellite. It was an absolute POS, but in 1974 he bought another new Plymouth. The "74 was another POS, but he bought another new Plymouth in 1979. I learned from dad's errors. I might never vote for another Republican

the 31% is made of idealogues.
Idealogues are so entrenched in their party's philosophy tht it makes uppart of their personae.
to doubt the party is to doubt themselves and thus too painful to change or even challenge the notion. It is these folks that live in the highest state of denial and the cognitive dissonance created by the vast hypocrisy of their party's present position rolls off them like water on a ducks butt. It would force them to re-envaluate their entire identities and to question whether a huge portion of their being is based upon a lie (which means they would be the greatest of fools). This is all too painful, so they cling to the last scraps to maintain some sense of order of their internal selves. It is why you cannot debate with them, as logic and fact has no application on their psyche.

ahhh, if only you applied that standard to the current administration. :(


oh, wait, you love the government spying on its citizens, throwing people in concentration camps indefinitely without charges, being defrauded of billions of American taxpayer dollars by its corporate pals, and having no idea where billions more went, torturing people, and causing the terrorist threat to grow and spread. .just as long as we're clear where you stand.

You know me so well, what can I say?

You know me so well, what can I say?

you've made your beliefs perfectly clear here on this board on countless occasions.

you've made your beliefs perfectly clear here on this board on countless occasions.

I sincerely hope so.

the 31% is made of idealogues.
Idealogues are so entrenched in their party's philosophy tht it makes uppart of their personae.
to doubt the party is to doubt themselves and thus too painful to change or even challenge the notion. It is these folks that live in the highest state of denial and the cognitive dissonance created by the vast hypocrisy of their party's present position rolls off them like water on a ducks butt. It would force them to re-envaluate their entire identities and to question whether a huge portion of their being is based upon a lie (which means they would be the greatest of fools). This is all too painful, so they cling to the last scraps to maintain some sense of order of their internal selves. It is why you cannot debate with them, as logic and fact has no application on their psyche.


Damn, that's some good insight there atp.

Damn, that's some good insight there atp.

that second major I was writing in Behavioral Science musta paid off. Social Psychology is fascinating stuff. My guess is there are probably 10-30% on each side and the rest make up the middle in an array of leanings.

What I find weirdest thouh is I've yet to see even the most lefty lib on this sight not willing to prosecute/condemn members of their own party. It only seems the far righties are 'my side right and/or wrong' it's been a long standing MO of the Cons (started during Reagan, the ole Rally the wagons) and has now reached (hopefully) the bottom as far as usefulness.

I'm embarassed and humiliated to admit that I voted for Bush in 2000. Do these 31% approve of Bush, or do they just refuse to admit their error? Reminds me of when my dad bought a new 1971 Plymoth Satellite. It was an absolute POS, but in 1974 he bought another new Plymouth. The "74 was another POS, but he bought another new Plymouth in 1979. I learned from dad's errors. I might never vote for another Republican

I too am a reformed Republican. I too am ashamed that I voted for Bush in 2000. I was torn between Gore and Bush. I liked a lot of what both were saying on the campaign trail. My deciding factor was when Bush campaigned on the now lie that he didn't believe in using the US military as nation builders.

I rationalize my vote by the fact that since I live in a Red state, my vote for Gore wouldn't have mattered. It's also easier to accept when you realize that you were lied to. I'm much happier as a Democrat. Sure, both parties have their problems. But I've found that the Dems try to tell the truth more often than not.

My vote now matters a great deal. My state is now quite purple and as long as the Dems don't make the same mistakes these corrupt Republicans have, they will have my vote for a long time to come.

If you have room on your reading list add Al Franken's book "Lying liars and the Lies they tell." It was researched by 19 Harvard grad students. It's quite funny. It was another turning point in my reformation...