Perhaps old news, but certainly see it popping up a lot more now. All the Democratic 08 runners have to do is run a chopped up video clip of this through a third party and it would seem his campaign is toast. Please do run Rudy, or should I say Judy? I'm sure the traditional conservatives would just eat this one right up.

aaaahhhaaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8&eurl=

All the Democratic 08 runners have to do is run a chopped up video clip of this through a third party and it would seem his campaign is toast. Please do run Rudy, or should I say Judy? I'm sure the traditional conservatives would just "love" this one.

aaaahhhaaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8&eurl=

Didn't watch the vid cuz I'm at work (thanks for the warning) but I'm no fan of Rudy--I still think there was some funny business going on with 9/11 that he wasn't forthright in sharing. I also hated his toadying to GWB in the last election. He's a suck up opportunist in my book.

IMO it's pretty work safe. Has Trump in it as well. No bad language or nudity etc, but your policy may be very strict.

still, rudy pulls a lot of moderate support. as much as i think an edwards/obama ticket would be tough to beat (maybe i'm dilusional), a giuliani/mccain ticket would be strong as well. it would certainly be moving closer to the middle.....just something to think about.

still, rudy pulls a lot of moderate support. as much as i think an edwards/obama ticket would be tough to beat (maybe i'm dilusional), a giuliani/mccain ticket would be strong as well. it would certainly be moving closer to the middle.....just something to think about.

Oh I'm not discounting his chances....I think many considered him and still consider him a hero after 9/11 and for stuff like cleaning up Times Square and booting all the porn merchants out, but I personally don't see him in that light. Rudy/McCain would be a tough ticket.

Perhaps he's going for that transgendered vote? :p

Seems inconsequential to me, but I can't speak for the Christian right.

The term "traditional conservative" confuses me. Does this refer to the small government, deficit hawk conservatives that used to control the GOP or the "values"-oriented radicals that now do?

Oh I'm not discounting his chances....I think many considered him and still consider him a hero after 9/11 and for stuff like cleaning up Times Square and booting all the porn merchants out, but I personally don't see him in that light. Rudy/McCain would be a tough ticket.
i'm with you. i'd almost like to see him run. then, if there is anything to know, i'm sure we'd hear about it....or maybe not. who knows.

still, rudy pulls a lot of moderate support. as much as i think an edwards/obama ticket would be tough to beat (maybe i'm dilusional), a giuliani/mccain ticket would be strong as well. it would certainly be moving closer to the middle.....just something to think about.

Edwards/Obama...I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

Edwards/Obama...I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
I just can't see Edwards being picked...then again the idiots picked Kerry last time so who knows...?

Rudy is a very interesting guy - in some good ways, some bad - but he ultimately will not carry the GOP presidential standard, I am certain.

I say this as a native New Yorker who lived in Manhattan through Rudy's entire 8 years as mayor.

He is too much of a nonconformist for too many core national GOP voters, who will find him to be an oddball personally, once they learn more about him. He is also a gaffe-prone hip-shooter who can be his own worst enemy at times.

Some of the reasons national GOP voters will turn away from him are superficial and unimportant, I think (Rudy/Judy is one example, his ugly and very public divorce due to infidelity is another). However there are other reasons that matter a lot, like his long history of pro-choice, gay-friendly and pro-gun control positions at odds with his party platform (but essential for political viability in NYC).

Also, I have not seen the issue of his health come up yet this time around. In 2000 he dropped out of the senate race against Hillary Clinton, because he needed cancer treatment. I'm not sure how much of an issue that ideally should be, but nevertheless it's out there.

I think the GOP eagerly looks for presidential contenders from NY and CA because if they can turn one of those blue states red, chances are it's game over.

Trouble is people like Rudy (and Pataki, and Arnold, and Mike Bloomberg, and RI's erstwhile Linc Chafee) are blue-state GOP pragmatists who are/were viable on their home turf because they don't toe the line on all the dogma of the GOP national platform. But that ends up harming their national GOP viability. Or it will for Rudy, if his other ballast doesn’t sink him first. And I think it will, even though I’d prefer to have elections be more about issues than personality.

(Of course, Arnold is not a contender unless we amend the US Constitution to allow naturalized citizens to be president - and didn't Republicans float that idea, when Arnold was at his peak of popularity?)

I just can't see Edwards being picked...then again the idiots picked Kerry last time so who knows...?

That is just what the Dems need...a guy at the top of the ticket that is reviled in his own state, is framed by his opponents as a ambulance chasing pretty boy...and not at all ready for prime time Barak (warm and fuzzy) Obama...who was gifted a blue blue blue blue state of Illinois against a bat shiat crazy opponent. One can't hold his own against Mr. Cold Miser in a debate without looking like Richie "Opie" Cunningham and the other has never faced any type of hard campaigning against tough opponents.

I'm no fan of Rudy because of his wide authoritarian streak and his horrible handling of his mistress/divorce but I think the video is pretty funny. It shows he might actually have a sense of humor trapped inside there. That or he was having a Reverend Haggard moment with the Donald. :eek:

Ditto. Why in the world does anyone think John Edwards would be a good candidate, much less a good president? He's a TOTAL lightweight.

Hillary/Obama '08?

Who ever opposes Hillary won't get Bill's support. As Bill goes, so goes the party.

Sadly, I just don't know if she's electable. I'll never understand why she doesn't have the support of women?

i'm not saying edwards/obama is the way to go. but it wouldn't suprise me either. honestly, i'm not quite sure where the dems stand for 08 as far as viable candidates.

re: hillary. i know the gf doesn't like her. most lib women that i know that don't like her feel that way b/c of the way she handled the monica situation. they'd have more respect if she wouldn't have been content to sit back and support him through the whole thing. i don't know...that's a tough one. still, i guess it hurts her ethos for quite a few people.

Actually, your point that the pool is... uh... shallow is a sad truth, at least in reviewing the national players in my mind's eye. I think Hillary's negatives are JUST too high and would be very sorry to see the party go that route, despite that she probably very well has the skill and smarts to handle the job.

Actually, your point that the pool is... uh... shallow is a sad truth, at least in reviewing the national players in my mind's eye. I think Hillary's negatives are JUST too high and would be very sorry to see the party go that route, despite that she probably very well has the skill and smarts to handle the job.

agree...I am not against her because she's a woman, but because of the Clinton baggage she carries with her.

Actually, your point that the pool is... uh... shallow is a sad truth, at least in reviewing the national players in my mind's eye. I think Hillary's negatives are JUST too high and would be very sorry to see the party go that route, despite that she probably very well has the skill and smarts to handle the job.
i'd vote for this guy. he has some very good experience with separation of powers that we could learn from...

The book "Leadership" by Giuliani is terrible. It is saying how he saved NYC on 9/11. It is very annoying to read hundreds of pages of someone claiming to be a gift from God. That is why I don't like him. :D

re: hillary. i know the gf doesn't like her. most lib women that i know that don't like her feel that way b/c of the way she handled the monica situation. they'd have more respect if she wouldn't have been content to sit back and support him through the whole thing.

I wonder how women who dislike Hillary because of the "Bill thing" would react when put in a similar situation? Maybe, just maybe, she really loves the guy. How many women who really love their husband would find the strength to forgive him in this situation? Some may call it weakness but it could also be strength.

I wonder how women who dislike Hillary because of the "Bill thing" would react when put in a similar situation? Maybe, just maybe, she really loves the guy. How many women who really love their husband would find the strength to forgive him in this situation? Some may call it weakness but it could also be strength.
i would agree, but the relationship seems (note, "seems") to be a sham. of course none of knows what goes on in their house, bedroom, etc. i think the fact that they often "appear" distant shows that it was all politically motivated. of course, this is where the gf and i stop talking about it. this leads her to dislike hillary, whereas i could care less about her marital strategy, etc etc.

it's really the same rhetoric used to overcome bill's infidelity. he has the "strength" to admit when he's wrong, etc etc (of course, this was all pre-monica and in during the first election). really, i would be willing to grant that people govern a country with different body parts than they govern their love life.

it's really the same rhetoric used to overcome bill's infidelity. he has the "strength" to admit when he's wrong, etc etc (of course, this was all pre-monica and in during the first election). really, i would be willing to grant that people govern a country with different body parts than they govern their love life.

but Rudy, Newt, Reagan, and a littany of other Con 'cheaters' are given a hall pass. makes it worse that few of them ever admit to their wrong doings