I did a few searches and didn't find a single thread dedicated to pictures of these beautiful bikes. Here is a starter pic from me....

Here are two Gunnar's I've had. I sold the red&yellow frame, but my girlfriend still has the silver one. She loves it!

Careful, with legs like that your second pic could end up the Podium Girls forum.... :D

Congrats on the beautiful frame.... the bikes aren't bad either.:p

Here's my Waterford that I got last year. Never fails to get comments.

http://www.cmwebsite.com/images/waterford_shoemaker.jpg

http://www.cmwebsite.com/images/wht.jpg

http://www.cmwebsite.com/images/wsl.jpg

http://www.cmwebsite.com/images/wbb.jpg

CM, that is a stellar build. I really like the chrome lugged BB shell and the pin stripes with blocking. Really nice job.

CM, that is a stellar build. I really like the chrome lugged BB shell and the pin stripes with blocking. Really nice job.

Thanks. I spent a lot of time contemplating what color scheme and appointments I wanted. I really like it, and if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing, except that I would get it made by someone other than Waterford.

The lugs aren't chrome, they're polished stainless steel. The seat and BB lugs aren't usually polished - I'm glad I opted to have them done. The pictures don't show it very well, but the paint is metallic and quite sparkly. The pinstriping really adds a touch of class, too. It is truly a piece of art and a fantastic ride; I just wish the whole buying experience hadn't been such a nightmare. (YMMV)

Thanks. I spent a lot of time contemplating what color scheme and appointments I wanted. I really like it, and if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing, except that I would get it made by someone other than Waterford.

The lugs aren't chrome, they're polished stainless steel. The seat and BB lugs aren't usually polished - I'm glad I opted to have them done. The pictures don't show it very well, but the paint is metallic and quite sparkly. The pinstriping really adds a touch of class, too. It is truly a piece of art and a fantastic ride; I just wish the whole buying experience hadn't been such a nightmare. (YMMV)

As far as the polished stainless steel lugs, they really add to the class. You said that you had a BAD buying experience??? I have called them a few times and have got unbelievably good service and to date haven't even bought anything from them. I haven't heard about anyone else having any issues other than it taking a little longer than estimated. In the end, did they correct the problems you had?

As far as the polished stainless steel lugs, they really add to the class. You said that you had a BAD buying experience??? I have called them a few times and have got unbelievably good service and to date haven't even bought anything from them. I haven't heard about anyone else having any issues other than it taking a little longer than estimated. In the end, did they correct the problems you had?

You experience mimics mine as far as pre-order service goes. But after the order, my ordeal became quite a saga. After I ordered I was told it would take 6 weeks. I called at 4 weeks to see if it was on schedule, only to learn that the order hadn't actually been initiated. I was told it would be expidited, and that I'd get it about the same time as originally estimated. Well, deadline after deadline was missed, with me having to contact them every time. I was extremely patient, usually contacting them only after their own estimated delivery dates passed.

Finally they shipped it, and you wouldn't believe the botched pinstripping job they did. It literally looked like a child had painted it. Terrible, and certainly not the level of quality you'd expect on a $3800 frameset. So I sent it back. From then on, everyone who had dealt with me previously completely ignored my communications, and I had to deal with the warranty department and the dealer. And we started the whole process over of me having to contact them after their own time estimates had passed to see where my bike was. Incredibly awful customer service.

Finally I got the frameset and it looked fine. But while I was assembling it, I noticed a chip in the fork. I hadn't noticed this when inspecting it at the store, so I just accepted it. But as it turns out, the paint is incredibly fragile. The area around the gear cluster is quite chipped away, the top tube has a couple of gouges in it where it fell, and there are various other chips. I've owned several painted bikes, and NONE have every chipped like this Waterford. I'm going to have to get it repainted probably withing a couple of years I could send it back and demand that it be fixed under warranty, but my initial experience with Waterford has left such a bad impression with me that I just don't want to deal with them again for any reason, even if it costs me more money.

I've given the super-abbreviated version of my experience here. In the end, it took 5 months to get my frameset. I would not have bothered me one bit to have waited that long if that was the original estimate, but the fact that they kept missing their own estimates and not communicating the status to me was very frustrating. And they were unapologetic for sending the original botched job, and did nothing to make up for it.

If you deal with them, be extremely assertive. And whatever you do, don't pay the entire balance up front. Pay the absolute minumum. I paid the whole amount and therefore didn't have any leverage.

>In the end, did they correct the problems you had.

Let me just say that they did eventually deliver what I had ordered. However, it was the worst buying experience of my life, and I would not recommend them to anyone.

It's too bad, too, because it is a fantastic bike. If the paint wasn't a constant reminder, I probably could forget all the negative aspects.

Waterford X-22

Two years ago I had this made up. It's my second Wateford and I can't say enough good things about them. The lugs are stainless steel and the paint is a very dark (almost black) metallic charcoal that was done for the 50th anniversary Paramounts.

Those Waterford bikes are really nice. Beautiful attention to detail.

Here is mine, a custom R2200 in Emerald Green with stainless lugs, Campy Chorus. The best bicycle I've ever ridden. Happy with the Waterford steel fork, too. Very light for a steel bike.

You experience mimics mine as far as pre-order service goes. But after the order, my ordeal became quite a saga. <snip>

Wow, sorry to hear about the delays and screw-ups. You aren't alone, I came close to canceling the whole thing after I waited six months (yeah, originally told six weeks, order lost or something...sounds like the same story) and the paint job on the fork was botched. Sent the fork back, should have been a 2-week turnaround but turned into 6 weeks. In the end everything was right and I *love* the bike but the buying experience left a lot to be desired.

I have mine partially built. I think I am going to go with the white cork wrap..... I have a problem though. Where in the hell do I get a 28.6mm clamp adapter? I found one on eBay but it is faux carbon and I don't have any carbon on the bike so that is definitely out. I need either an adapter or a Veloce clamp derailleur in a 28.6mm, does anyone make these anymore.... any help??

I have mine partially built. I think I am going to go with the white cork wrap..... I have a problem though. Where in the hell do I get a 28.6mm clamp adapter? I found one on eBay but it is faux carbon and I don't have any carbon on the bike so that is definitely out. I need either an adapter or a Veloce clamp derailleur in a 28.6mm, does anyone make these anymore.... any help??

Something like this?

http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Derailleur&sc=Front%20Adapter&tc=&item_id=LS-6026PD&id=989153327439

2004 Gunnar Roadie (Goldrush over charcoal silver)
No complete photos, but here are bits and pieces.
DA7700 group
Flite saddle
Easton EA70 post
Ritchey WCS stem and Pro bar
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I found an old Campagnolo 980 FD with a 28.6mm clamp. Here she is all complete and ride ready....

This was my first Waterford - RS12. It started out black, but I had it repainted by Waterford.

What Alpha Q fork is that? Nice redo. A nice advantage to steel is that every 4-5 years you can get a "new" ride just by painting it.

Thanks for the compliments. The fork is a True Temper Alpha Q carbon fork (1”), threadless titanium steerer tube, 350 mm, 37 mm rake. I agree about the ability to get a "new" bike by repainting. I bought that frame in 1998 as my first road bike. Kept it for 4 or 5 years before i had it repainted by Waterford. They did a great job with the refinishing. About the fork, my new Waterford has their steel fork and although it's heavier than carbon it rides just as smoothly.

Here's my 10 year old 2200 that's about to assume rain bike / trainer duty.

Here's my 10 year old 2200 that's about to assume rain bike / trainer duty.

Hell, if that is your back up, what is your primary rig going to be???

75076

75077Here are some pics of my custom RST22. 1000 miles this season and I love this bike.

Here's my 10 year old 2200 that's about to assume rain bike / trainer duty.

That is a beautiful frame. I have a two year old 2200 (two years this March) and when I deciding how I was gonna paint, I was going your route as I love the scheme.

This is my 2200 that will two years old in March. I really enjoy the ride. Before I bought the frame, I was riding a Cannondale CAAD3. I was getting extremely discouraged on the rough ride that I almost quit riding all together. I had told cycling buddies that my next ride would be steel like my first bike an old Schwinn World Sport or Prelude can't remember. My LBS tried talking me into a new six13; but, I was adamant about going back to my "roots" in riding steel. Glad I did.

75076

75077Here are some pics of my custom RST22. 1000 miles this season and I love this bike.

Super cool looking bike- old school with new touches. You've got to love that frame mounted pump, and a seat bag big enough to be useful. :thumbsup:

Check out the lugwork they are doing over at Waterford... Dave just posted a couple pics on the Message Board but this was the best one..... DADDY LIKE:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Beautiful! I wish I'd had the budget for custom lugs. You have to love the fact that this level of craftsmanship exists in the USA. Thanks for the post! I'd love to see the finished bike.

Here are some pics of a build that a friend of ours is doing on a NOS Waterford 1100. Check out the NOS Deltas for sale in the display case..

just got this one near complete for RBR member Haiku d'etat... it will be getting a Thompson seatpost and a Brooks saddle.

Can't tell from the pics. But the build says R33. Nice bike.

Can't tell from the pics. But the build says R33. Nice bike.

no... it is actually an 1100. Went for a ride today on it and I must admit it was fantastic.

1100? Which model is that? Not on the current WPC website.

1100? Which model is that? Not on the current WPC website.

I am not an authority but this is what I think I know....

The 1100 preceeded the 1200 and neither are still in production. The one pictured was made in Dec 1994. These offerings were the "entry level" lugged bikes and made along with the 2200. I believe the only significant difference in the frames was the tubing. I believe that the 1100's and 1200's were made of Reynolds 531 and/or 753 and the 2200 got the lighter Reynolds 853 (and soon 953). There was not a significant price difference (nor ride difference IMHO) and Waterford decided to go with a TIG welded "entry level" frame that was a fair amount cheaper, the R-14. I have a 2200 and can attest that there is very minimal differences between it and the 1100, the tubing and lugs all look the same. AFAIK, all the "R" designated models are TIG welded and the full numerical models are lugged.

33 Series are TIG welded; 22 Series are lugged; 14 series are TIG Welded ..

R33
54.5 TT
74 SA
72.5 HA
410 Stays
588.1 front center
70 BB drop

Marc Muller really knows what he is doing. Very balanced bike.
Outstanding handling and pedal response. Ride is very good.
The bike squirts with each pedal stroke and at the same time
is smooth as silk. Killer!


towerscum

Nice and clean. Very understated. Waterford does everything well. Those welds look great.

Just built up this Gunnar Roadie, frame is an 05 model, Alpha Q CS20 fork ultegra drivetrain with a RaceFace Road Crank... My 2nd Gunnar.

I have ridden this thing everywhere. It's been my main ride going on 6 seasons now. NM, CO, UT, CA, AZ, all-weather, all-year.

This photo was from 2003 (I think) when she had her flashy red/blue splash tape and red tires. Since then she wears more conservative black tape and blue tires.

I had her repainted in the roadie blue by Gunnar in the winter of 06. It came out terrific, the blue was a little bit richer and has a nice sheen to it. Just haven't taken more pix yet.

Look what UPS left at my door yesterday. Cannot wait to build it up and see what the Waterford ride is all about.

I ordered this last November and finally got the call from the LBS that it was here late last week. It has the same geometry as the 1972 P15-9 Paramount, and with the heavy Brooks saddle, heavy wheels, and pedals weighs 20.5 pounds (61 cm frame). The fork is chromed Reynolds 531, so I could have save a pound or two by using a carbon fiber fork. All new Campy Record group.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20B07014/CIMG3702sm.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20B07014/CIMG3694sm.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20B07014/CIMG3697sm.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20B07014/CIMG3663sm.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20B07014/CIMG3662sm.jpg

Beautiful! I wish I'd had the budget for custom lugs. You have to love the fact that this level of craftsmanship exists in the USA. Thanks for the post! I'd love to see the finished bike.
Dave Wages, a Waterford employee and expert lug carver built the frame for himself, and Waterford had it on display at the North American Handbuilt Bicycle Show in San Jose in March. It's a feast for the eyes. Tube set is Reynolds 953 stainless steel.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20953%20Frame/Frameset.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20953%20Frame/HeadTube.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Waterford%20953%20Frame/RearDropouts.jpg

It's now finished. Everything but the saddle and computer came off a bike that wasn't being riden much. The last pic. has been my main ride for the last couple of years. It's also a keeper.

Both look great. The Sport geometry makes sense to me with my riding style. I have had Gunnars in the past and loved them. I presently own a Pilot 2.1 which I like but miss the ride and look of steel. Some people don't like the straight blade fork of the Sport but I like the look.

I have two new Waterfords to post...

This is one that I just bid on tonight and won for $488 + shipping. Where was everyone on this? Yeah, the frame could use a repaint, but hey that is half the fun in coming up with a custom paint scheme. The bike generally appears a bit neglected, but at less than $500 built with Ksyrium SL's I think it was a steal :thumbsup:

$500 is a steal. I can never find my size with the Waterfords. The bigger frames (60cm+) always have some funky custom geometry that keeps me from buying it. I know Waterford has discounted paint re-do prices during the fall when things slow down for them. What is the list price new for this same frame? $1900. Even if a bike shop wanted to really sell you one it would be around $1650. Nice buy.

Here is the second one to post pics of.... it is better looking in person. I am going to try some red tires with silver water bottle holders too.

I like that white one. Very, very classy. Might have to consider that when I get mine repainted. But then again I kinda like my intense red with silver decals. Got to ask what size is the white one and where'd you find it?

I like that white one. Very, very classy. Might have to consider that when I get mine repainted. But then again I kinda like my intense red with silver decals. Got to ask what size is the white one and where'd you find it?

It believe it is a Waterford stock 58cm. The ST and TT are right at 57cm CTC. I got it from KPCW who got it from Jamie Swann at Centerport Cycles in Northport, NY. It is the frame in the 7th picture here: http://www.centerportcycles.com/pages/shop_tour/shop_tour1.html

It is in the 2nd picture here: http://www.centerportcycles.com/pages/shop_tour/shop_tour2.html

Also pictured further up in the thread. http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=920226&postcount=29

It was NOS when he got it a few months ago. We collaborated on the build and came up with what you see pictured.

here it is again with a couple changes. Anybody got an opinion on the bar wrap?

here it is again with a couple changes. Anybody got an opinion on the bar wrap?
Sorry but I liked it better the first time.

Black tires. Black tape.

i like the red tape as it gives some contrast for the black hoods.could go either way on the tires.....nice looking bike,though.white never goes out of style..

Sorry but I liked it better the first time.

thanks for your opinion, I think it is the Zondas that I really like more in the first picture. I thought about putting the red Challenge Elite tires on the Zondas, but the Record/FIR wheelset in the second picture needed some tires anyway. After the crazy effort it took to mount them, they will stay like that at least until I need to replace a tube.

So I need to decide on these things:

Bar Wrap: Red or Black
Water Bottle Cages: Red or Chrome
Wheelset: Zondas or FIR/Record
Tires: Red or Black

What say all?

I am bidding farewell to my first Waterford. Now that I have got the 1100 dialed in, there isn't a good reason to keep both. If anyone is interested this 2200 is now on the "bay".

Here is the progression of my latest project. It is a Waterford 2200 I am quite pleased with the results.

Here is a more standard shot of her now.

The black metallic/gray powder coat turned out well on your bike. I am a big fan of powder coating. I found a guy who powder coats dirt bikes and let him do an old steel frame and it turned out great. He has since done three more frames and the powder coat was flawless. They have come out with decals now that are compatible with powder coating. Fun project.

that grey looks great. How old are those zondas?

that grey looks great. How old are those zondas?

Thanks. I believe the Zondas are less than 2 years old, but they are not the latest model. I think they look great and I appreciate the stiffness as well as the aero qualities. They have been a really good wheelset so far.

wow the restoration is awesome! looks great!

The same as handsomerob's, only different.

Wow Guy... that is almost creepy.

+1 on your headset
-1 on the Shimano :p

Is that a 2200 also? Was it painted or powdercoated? What kind of fork is that?

on further inspection... both have the frame pump peg and it even looks to be the same size (stock 58cm? or 57cm CTC)

Also, I took the Zondas off for now and rode with some 32 spoke 8 spd Record/OP, so a current picture would make them look even more alike.

My second Waterford!


towerscum

It's a 1200 that started off the same red as yours, stock 56 cm. It doesn't show too well in the photos but it's actually clear powder coated. If you look closely you can see the brazing around the lugs.
I'm a mountain biker so it was logical I went ShimaNO rather then Crampandgoslow for my road bike, plus my wife is Japanese.
The fork is an Ouzo Pro that I stripped the clearcoating off.
No comments on the 27.4 ti Syncros post or the ti Ibis stem?

It's a 1200 that started off the same red as yours, stock 56 cm. It doesn't show too well in the photos but it's actually clear powder coated. If you look closely you can see the brazing around the lugs.
I'm a mountain biker so it was logical I went ShimaNO rather then Crampandgoslow for my road bike, plus my wife is Japanese.
The fork is an Ouzo Pro that I stripped the clearcoating off.
No comments on the 27.4 ti Syncros post or the ti Ibis stem?

I couldn't tell for sure from the pics what the stem and post was. Truthfully, I thought the post was a Thomson, but looking at the second pic it is obviously Ti... it has that certain luster. I didn't know Syncros made a 27.4mm. I actually don't care for those skinny threadless stems. I prefer standard (skinny) quill stems, but if it is going to be threadless, I like the "normal" size.

What made you go with clear powder coat? I doubt you will see another like it. As far as my powder coating, I am thrilled with how well it turned out. In fact, I am going to be taking my Serotta pretty soon to get done. I just need to decide on the color.

I can see the brazing. I am a newb so I didn't realize that it the solder was gold until I stripped my frame.

[QUOTE=handsomerob] I actually don't care for those skinny threadless stems. I prefer standard (skinny) quill stems, but if it is going to be threadless, I like the "normal" size.

What made you go with clear powder coat? I doubt you will see another like it. As far as my powder coating, I am thrilled with how well it turned out. In fact, I am going to be taking my Serotta pretty soon to get done. I just need to decide on the color.

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That's funny, I always thought the "normal" stems a little clunky, top heavy, looking.

I got the clear coating idea from a posting on the Serotta site. Theirs was fillet brazed and to my mind butt ugly but it got me thinking. You're right, won't see many quite like it.

the latest.... too good a deal to pass up.

Here is a more standard shot of her now.

The 8 speed cassette fit on the Zondas, but it was starting to chew up the freehub body, so I stuck the original 8 speed Record wheelset back on and the Racing T crankset that came with the group.

This is my RS11, which I've had for about 5 yrs, and bought used for 500. Right now it is old 8 spd Mirage, but I will probably sell my Nago frame, and swap out the mirage with the 10 spd Chorus and Protons from it. I love the British racing green and white panels on this bike.

New to me - Jason Blue great shape- built with D'ace 25th anniversay kit, Nitto Noodles Salsa stem, AC post, Regal saddle. Fizik tape, arundel cages - comments/suggestions welcomed.