And remember, kids, if your parents say they are against the war or say bad things about our President, call us on our hotline number. We are here to help them.

I've done several stories on religious fanatics and cults, and he just has The Look. I believe his faith is sincere...but I think he sincerely believes God is guiding him and he's incapable of mistakes. Add that absence of doubt to a marginal intellect and you have a very scary person to be in a position of power.

That's exactly the problem:

Char"la*tan\, n. [F. charlatan, fr. It. ciarlatano, fr. ciarlare to chartter, prate; of imitative origin; cf. It. zirlare to whistle like a thrush.] One who prates much in his own favor, and makes unwarrantable pretensions; a quack; an impostor; an empiric; a mountebank.

n. A person fraudulently claiming knowledge and skills not possessed. n : a flamboyant deceiver.

n. A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a fraud.

:rolleyes:

Scary indeed...

Was that the last election or something recent?

I have to ask as the previous post did. If so, what was the context of the statement? If he said it in a joking or light hearted matter that's one thing, but to believe that God wants to be President....well that's a tad scarry.

As a conservative, I recognize that there are people on the right who are lets say are very religious. That's one area that I disagree with the Republican party in that I think faith in God, no God, evolutionist theory, beliving in little green men with space ships. Is a personal choice and should remain out of politics and private.

I have to ask as the previous post did. If so, what was the context of the statement? If he said it in a joking or light hearted matter that's one thing, but to believe that God wants to be President....well that's a tad scarry.

As a conservative, I recognize that there are people on the right who are lets say are very religious. That's one area that I disagree with the Republican party in that I think faith in God, no God, evolutionist theory, beliving in little green men with space ships. Is a personal choice and should remain out of politics and private.

This is from his Reverand and "spiritual political advisor" and is a quote that I believe first surfaced in a FRONTLINE expose on Bush called THE JESUS FACTOR, what makes it scary to me is that he said that after his inauguration--FOR GOVERNOR OF TEXAS. Maybe he thinks he is a prophet.

Another statement from his "advisor" was that he had no doubt that George Bush's faith was both real and contrived and he was sure that Bush didn't know when one started and the other stopped.

..."God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
-- George W. Bush, according to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, from minutes acquired by Haaretz from cease-fire negotiations.

--Richard Land, of the Southern Baptist Convention, recalls Bush once saying, 'I believe God wants me to be president.' After Sept. 11, Michael Duffy wrote in Time magazine, the president spoke of 'being chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment.'"

Yikes!

And remember, kids, if your parents say they are against the war or say bad things about our President, call us on our hotline number. We are here to help them.

The big problem with God, as I see it, is he likes to tell different people different things. The islamic fundamentalists think he tells them to kill themselves and take a bunch of heathens with them to rid the holy land from the infidels. He then tells Bush that he should be president and was put here to protect America from the islamic fundamentalists (I wonder why he won't tell Bush to get his infidels out of the holy land?). He told Jesus 2000 years ago to spread the word to reject materialism and live a spiritual life largely unconcerned with this world's affairs. God now appears to be mainly concerned (at least according to the Christian right in this country) with making sure the ****'s don't get too many rights, that the government doesn't take too much in taxes (whatever happened to give unto Ceasar...?), that democracy and capitalism (WTF, the early Christians and Jesus were pretty much true communists?) spreads around the world, and that we don't allow abortions or stem cell research.

How ironic is it that God told me not to vote for Bush?

http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/daily.scribble.jpgs/06.07.04.dubya.pope.jpg

People are often involuntarily committed to psychiatric institutions for statements like that. Sounds about right.

If Bush ever gets put into one, do we get to torture him? C'mon it would be fun! And remember - he would only be considered a prisoner of "The War On Turrrur", and therefore has no rights! My lawyer said so.

A friend showed me this. Thought it might be a funny shirt to purchase. When I'm not saving for parts or something.

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a291

And remember, kids, if your parents say they are against the war or say bad things about our President, call us on our hotline number. We are here to help them.
Let's break this down logically. Do you believe in God? I don't, but clearly W and many others do.

If you believe in God and you have a Calvinistic bent (as many american Christians have), you believe in predetermination. Since W is president, clearly God wants it that way. To think that God doesn't want it that way, would be to point to the impotence of the Christian God. You could belive that God is ambivelent on the question, but that would not get anyone excited.

If you don't believe in predetermination, you are still faced with choosing between God wants W or God does not want W. If he doesn't want him, why is he still president?

If you really think that W is out of line by claining the endoresment of the almighty, you have to be an athiest to keep your priciples intact.

Who is with me?

you forgot ersatz :D

you forgot ersatz

Apt!

53T -

So whatever takes place on Earth is ordained by "God"? Yeah - I suppose. :confused:

Then there's the Christian concept of "free will", but don't let that get in the way...

Apt!

53T -

So whatever takes place on Earth is ordained by "God"? Yeah - I suppose. :confused:

Then there's the Christian concept of "free will", but don't let that get in the way...
The free will argument would have to conclude that the American people made W president of their own free will. So if God didn't want him to be president, the American peole have sinned again. Why would the President accuse the nation of sinning? Surely we are all sinners, in the Christian sense, but it's not the President's job to point that out.

Why do you ridicule predetermination? That is not some oddball concept like atheism, I estimate about 1/3 of all the world's people belive that whatever takes place on earth is ordained by God. Someday you will see the light, Insha'Allah!

Sorry, but a "free will argument" in fact would have to conclude that the Supreme Court, by a majority of 1, made W president - not the people or the popular vote as it should have been. Remember, the people's free will was Gore by +500,000 votes.

Anything other than that is typical Right-Wing Sheep/Neo-Con revisionism. Facts is facts, my friend.

Sorry, but a "free will argument" in fact would have to conclude that the Supreme Court, by a majority of 1, made W president - not the people or the popular vote as it should have been. Remember, the people's free will was Gore by +500,000 votes.

Anything other than that is typical Right-Wing Sheep/Neo-Con revisionism. Facts is facts, my friend.
There is no need to appologize. You are entitled to your interpretation of history. You are entitled to your opposition to the electoral college. You are entitled to oppose the current adminstration. Some would argue that you were endowed by your creator with these rights.

God wouldn't want it any other way.

For the record, I am a neo-realist, not a neo-conservative.

There is no need to appologize. You are entitled to your interpretation of history. You are entitled to your opposition to the electoral college. You are entitled to oppose the current adminstration. Some would argue that you were endowed by your creator with these rights.

God wouldn't want it any other way.

Of course God wants GWB to be president. W creates the climate in which the true believers are able to rally together and rise as one to transform all the peoples of the world into one nation under Islamic law.

That's the trouble with God. You never know what team he is playing for.


For the record, I am a neo-realist, not a neo-conservative.

Pray tell, what is that?

While you're explaining the 'neo-realist' tag 53T, (maybe that's a realist that knows something more real than the rest of us - like the unreal assertion that God REALLY wants GWB to be Pres.- for real?), perhaps you can show evidence that my "interpretation of history" is false or not supported by actual (REAL) facts? ie, true or not true:

1. "the Supreme Court, by a majority of 1, made W president"
2. "the people's free will was Gore by +500,000 votes."

Otherwise, the historical revisionism being attempted here is by YOU.

:rolleyes:

2. "the people's free will was Gore by +500,000 votes."

Jeeze, even if you forget about the popular vote, Gore would have won Florida if any one of several voter disenfrachisment issues had been addressed.

Jumping to this year, do you know that economically disadvantaged voters in several states (Maryland, Minnesota) are being told that they will have to pay all outstanding parking and traiific tickets before they are allowed to vote. They are also being told that election day is November 3 (the day after it really is). Who do you think could be spreading these lies?

In Florida, many people are erroniously listed as felons and are barred from voting. Florida law was recently changed whereby the burden of proof that you are really not a felon and are allowed to vote rests on the individual.

The Justice Department's Civil Rights in Voting section is not being aggressive about addressing these issues. I wonder why Ashcroft hasn't been a little more proactive about that?

Those reasons are precisely why is it a fact that GWB did NOT win the election of '00.

But you won't get a so-called "personal responsibility, family values, God-fearing, salt-of-the-earth, church-going Christian" Right-Winger to admit the criminality of those facts.

Normally I stay out of the non-cycling stuff but you might find this a fairly interesting. Frontline, the PBS news show, did an entire feature on Bush's conversion to becoming a born again Christian. You can watch the entire program through your media player.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/