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Duane Gran 06-17-2004, 12:37 PM There isn't a chance for this to remain civil, but oh well... my prediction for the November 04 election is the Bush will win and my prediction for the 08 election is the Hillary Clinton will win. In fact, my gut feeling is that Democrats are not 100% behind Kerry. He just doesn't have the two-term style, nor the coat tails to tip the balance in congress. Democrats may win more seats in congress through dissatisfaction with Bush than with upholding expectations with Kerry.
Your predictions and thoughts?
Bocephus Jones 06-17-2004, 12:47 PM There isn't a chance for this to remain civil, but oh well... my prediction for the November 04 election is the Bush will win and my prediction for the 08 election is the Hillary Clinton will win. In fact, my gut feeling is that Democrats are not 100% behind Kerry. He just doesn't have the two-term style, nor the coat tails to tip the balance in congress. Democrats may win more seats in congress through dissatisfaction with Bush than with upholding expectations with Kerry.
Your predictions and thoughts?
Kerry...but only because Bush jr. has FUBAR. Hillary will never get the nomination. Even the dems are still too much of a good ole boys club for that. Maybe VP nomination, but that's about it.
Live Steam 06-17-2004, 02:30 PM You can't be serious about Clinton, are you? I think there are just as many Democrats that don't trust her and can't stand her, as there are Republicans. I know! This was just a test or something :O) You really couldn't be serious about it. I don't think she'll get re-elected here in NY if the Republicans put up a real contender, unlike the last time.
kilimanjaro 06-17-2004, 10:51 PM As much as I dislike President Bush, I am beginning to feel he will win the election because the economy is picking up, and the public seems to be tuning out Iraq as evidenced by the recent uptick in the President's numbers as reported by the epicenter of liberal media bias, NPR.
The Iraq situation will either improve between 04 and 08 or President Bush will give a similar photo opt like "Mission Accomplished" and pull out. The public will forget about the stated reasons for the war and pat itself on the back for liberating 25 million regardless of what condition they were left in.
Assuming that the President won't or can't dump Cheney, the VP position not will be used to groom the next presidential candidate (Examples Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr, Gore). Who then will the Republican nominee for 08? Why the smarter and even more conservative Bush, Governor Jed Bush from Florida. The electorate will be mesmerized by his intelligence and communication skills when compared with his brother. I don't think any Democratic candidate will have a chance. America will then embrace the royal family that it always wanted with the Kennedys but never got.
If I can think of it, Karl Rove must have already planned for it.
I am very very afraid.
There isn't a chance for this to remain civil, but oh well... my prediction for the November 04 election is the Bush will win and my prediction for the 08 election is the Hillary Clinton will win. In fact, my gut feeling is that Democrats are not 100% behind Kerry. He just doesn't have the two-term style, nor the coat tails to tip the balance in congress. Democrats may win more seats in congress through dissatisfaction with Bush than with upholding expectations with Kerry.
Your predictions and thoughts?
Duane Gran 06-18-2004, 04:17 AM I know it wouldn't make you happy, but it is a very real possibility. Staunch conservatives may be better off with a Kerry win because it is almost inevitable that the nation will feel "Bush fatigue" after four years, which often translates into a win for the other party. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who have Clinton nostalgia because the 90s represented relative calm, even if the commander in chief isn't deserving of all the credit for it. You may not like Clinton, but she is about as Machiavellian as it gets and I guarantee she will be on the ticket in '08 if Bush wins this year.
thatsmybush 06-18-2004, 06:14 AM I am now going to agree with Steam and wait patiently for the lightening to strike me dead.
Hillary has no shot. Core moderate Dems like myself would not support her. She has too much baggage. The Republicans would go out of their way to find a moderate Republican I'm talking to you Pataki, Whitman etc. who would turn the country into a sea of red on election day. She would garner not one single moderate to independant vote and would lose in such a way as to debilitate and fractionalize the Democratic party in a way not seen since the destruction of the Whig party.
mohair_chair 06-18-2004, 07:17 AM If Bush somehow wins another term, this country will be in such bad shape in 2008 that even Hilary Clinton won't want the job. In this case, we can look forward to the election of Ralph Nadar in 2008.
thatsmybush 06-18-2004, 07:22 AM If Bush somehow wins another term, this country will be in such bad shape in 2008 that even Hilary Clinton won't want the job. In this case, we can look forward to the election of Ralph Nadar in 2008.
He would be 74 years old. I don't think so.
Reynolds531 06-18-2004, 08:07 AM If Bush is way behind in the polls on November 1 Cheney will have a convenient heart attack and withdraw from the race. Bush will pick Condi Rice for VP running mate and win easily. You read it here first.
Dave_Stohler 06-20-2004, 06:21 PM Face it, Bush is flat in the polls and ain't gonna gain a single vote. The only thing left to do is get the people who might vote for Kerry out to the polls. A few Nader votes might be a problem, but everybody knows what's at stake this time around.
Bush lost the popular vote by 1/2 million votes last time, and he certainly hasn't made anybody change their mind about him since. Any small setback between late summer and mid autumn will doom him completely. I wouldn't be surprised if the senate goes 52/48 democrat, as well.
Oh, BTW, only republicans think Hillary would ever run. Almost no democrats take her seriously, even in NY.
Acenturian 06-20-2004, 11:37 PM Bush won't win the election, he will be a first term President just like his father. Kerry will win depending who is his VP he might get a second term,but my guess it 2008 will be wide open for either party.
I don't think Sen. Clinton has a chance. She is to controversial for most Democrats let alone Republicans. If she did win, I'd do what all the left wing actors do and move to Europe. :D
Dave_Stohler 06-21-2004, 12:55 AM As a citizen of the people's republic of New York, I can report that Hillary is reasonably popular still, but she's not that popular even here. I just don't see her becoming the kind of senator that people like Moynihan or Robert Kennedy were. Oh, she'll stay on as a senator, probably 2 or 3 terms, but that's all she'll ever be. Trust me on this.
thatsmybush 06-21-2004, 03:15 AM Bush won't win the election, he will be a first term President just like his father. Kerry will win depending who is his VP he might get a second term,but my guess it 2008 will be wide open for either party.
I don't think Sen. Clinton has a chance. She is to controversial for most Democrats let alone Republicans. If she did win, I'd do what all the left wing actors do and move to Europe. :D
A bit of interesting history...
John Adams wins a tight and at times vicious election filled with intrigue (led by Alexander Hamilton) after one term he is swept out of office by a two term populist Thomas Jefferson. John Quincy Adams wins a disputed election that Jacksonites claim to have stolen from them regroup four years later to sweep into office leaving both father and son as one term presidents. History to repeat itself?
Duane Gran 06-21-2004, 04:35 AM I'm ready for either outcome. Personally I think weather will have more effect on the election day (many democratic voters stay home if it rains) than most political issues. Concerning Clinton, she has risen in the Senate ranks quicker than anyone we may ever see in our lifetimes. Although Senators have traditionally not won the presidency, she is on an impressive run so far.
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