Hurry up, I can't control myself much longer.

Wasn't your birthday a few days ago? What better way to celebrate than to buy yourself a new bike?

Sorry, I'm not really helping, am I?

The 595 is the pinnacle of carbon design in my mind. I love the rear stay junction & dropouts- pressed into the tubes and formed from carbon- no 5mm bolts with flimsy covers holding a $3000+ frame together! Could you pick it up and report back just so I could enjoy it vicariously??

You are incorrigible:yesnod: :crazy: :lol:

I seem to remember someone saying not long ago that they were DONE, uh huh.

Enjoy it and post pictures when you get it home. :thumbsup:

I would have bought one...but came across a 585 at a good price so I will continue to look longingly at the 595

The 595 is the pinnacle of carbon design in my mind. I love the rear stay junction & dropouts- pressed into the tubes and formed from carbon- no 5mm bolts with flimsy covers holding a $3000+ frame together! Could you pick it up and report back just so I could enjoy it vicariously??

Yea, that's exactly the kind of help I need. :mad:

And yes, my birthday was this past Monday and nothing appeared under the birthday tree close to this dang thing.

It's all Velonews' fault - they had to put that black one on the back of the last issue. With the big black kitty cat looking at it. It's driving me nuts - I'm sitting here thinking about it and I can't get it out of my mind.

I was in love with the 585, but managed to resist. Then they had to go and make it look betterer. It's simply not fair. And the sad thing is I really can't come up with a single reason not to buy it. Which is why I need some fortifying.

You are incorrigible:yesnod: :crazy: :lol:

I seem to remember someone saying not long ago that they were DONE, uh huh.

Enjoy it and post pictures when you get it home. :thumbsup:

You're not helping me.

I would have bought one...but came across a 585 at a good price so I will continue to look longingly at the 595

Now that's a good reason - maybe I'll go back to staring at the 585.

You're not helping me.

Realistic though.

Remember, post pictures.

It's all Velonews' fault - they had to put that black one on the back of the last issue. With the big black kitty cat looking at it. It's driving me nuts - I'm sitting here thinking about it and I can't get it out of my mind.

.

LOL, It did me in too.... I saw the ad and said "hmmm. I wouldn't mind building a new carbon bike..."

Well, if you can't think of a single reason why not...if you like it and can afford it and it makes you happy, buy it!

Now that's a good reason - maybe I'll go back to staring at the 585.

I have lusted after several Look models over the years. I stopped the lust for a while with the purchase of a Calfee, but that has worn off now and Look continues to develop killer, cutting edge frames.

TB - just buy it so the rest of us poor slobs can live vicariously through all the stunning close-up photos you will post.

Just do it.

There is something about Looks that haunt me, and it sounds like they haunt you too. I've never owned one and I've always managed to stave off buying one by getting something else.

Maybe I should just wait for the 605. :D

There is something about Looks that haunt me, and it sounds like they haunt you too. I've never owned one and I've always managed to stave off buying one by getting something else.

Maybe I should just wait for the 605. :D

Haunts me - that's a good expression to describe my lack of a Look. The ride characteristics on several of their models suited me well, but I went for the Calfee instead.
Nobody can beat you at making a beautiful bike out of a beautiful frame.

Here is the only reason I have resisted.......

They have very short Head tubes.....therefor, for me the entire look of the bike would be destroyed by the large expanse of spacers necessary to get the bars in the correct place.

Best I can do.

Len

EDIT...remember, it's an integrated Headset so you get no stack height from this.

Well in the world of theme bikes, that black one just screams "opportunity."

I can probably talk myself out of it based on geometry though, it looks like I'm halfway between an L and an XL.

Well in the world of theme bikes, that black one just screams "opportunity."

I can probably talk myself out of it based on geometry though, it looks like I'm halfway between an L and an XL.


With your stable there is no reason to buy a good looking bike that is not a near perfect fit.

OK, you talked yourself out of buying it. Now, what new frame (that fits) talks to you?

With your stable there is no reason to buy a good looking bike that is not a near perfect fit.

OK, you talked yourself out of buying it. Now, what new frame (that fits) talks to you?


Well, it was not that easy. I was having a hard time with the headtube length, so I went out and measured my Orbea (compact design, integrated headtube) and it's precisely the same size as the 595. I had been thinking their size L with the 15.6 HT was more to my liking, but I didn't like the actual TT length. Thought it might be a bit small. Now, the XL emerges as a genuine candidate.

So much for that excuse. Maybe now I can worry about cutting the seat tube to length.

Hurry up, I can't control myself much longer.


no...

Yep, that's what I was hoping to be the deal breaker. But, it's exactly the same geometry and the only other integrated bike I own and that one's bars are set just right.

Doesn't seem fair, does it?

it is a large, team white 160 miles
i am selling it, will put it on ebay in the spring.
i like the white, the 595 is the next step, but i can't say i want it more.
fwiw, i like the vxrs better (have not decided if i will sell it or not--probably will, as i hope/need to get down to 4 bikes--one for winter (TI), one to satisfy an urge i could not afford at one time (serotta classique 853), one that i just love the way it is made and with what (moser tk2=eom 16.5 silver solder brazed), and a carbon--currently my crumpton, but the vxrs and 585 give me pause) and yes i have an aluminum, cinelli starship--cool bike and one i debate keeping just for hill climb events where all calibers of riders are there.

anyway, that likely does not help, but you could do something like my 585 for far less.
but of course it is not the 595, as i tell myself everyday i ride to work--enjoy it and get what you want, because there will come a day when you can't ride--might as well ride what you like/want/desire/crave
if you have the means and the space you should do it.

good luck--as the Borg say.......
.

Well it was the 585 that got me purring in the first place, but that whole seattube design thingy is just too much to ignore. I did the paint job on my recent Strong based wholly on the white 585, so that itch might have been scratched already.

Black is where my brain is today.

no...

Pleeze?

I'm between a L and XL on the Looks based on my TT preferences. I think this is a golden opportunity to test the fit of a larger frame with a shorter stem. Never need to worry about your toes hitting the front wheel while cornering!

I also like the idea of a very stiff carbon frame, the 595 Ultra calls to me.

Yep, that's what I was hoping to be the deal breaker. But, it's exactly the same geometry and the only other integrated bike I own and that one's bars are set just right.

Doesn't seem fair, does it?

the HT spacers, stem and bars?

I've looked at the 585 (similar Geo) and the HT is damn short.

How much drop to the bars do you ride?

Len

If you are between the large an Xl, buy the Large. That way when the 605 comes out I can get a good deal on your large :)

Well, it was not that easy. I was having a hard time with the headtube length, so I went out and measured my Orbea (compact design, integrated headtube) and it's precisely the same size as the 595. I had been thinking their size L with the 15.6 HT was more to my liking, but I didn't like the actual TT length. Thought it might be a bit small. Now, the XL emerges as a genuine candidate.

So much for that excuse. Maybe now I can worry about cutting the seat tube to length.

that 57.5 TT w 73/73 angles is perfect for me...right in the sweet spot. I'd need 2 CM+ of spacers on this bike to get mey bars right. If the Headset wasn'tintegrated it be perfect.

Sigh...guess I'll just have to keep shopping.

Len

the HT spacers, stem and bars?

I've looked at the 585 (similar Geo) and the HT is damn short.

How much drop to the bars do you ride?

Len

7-9cm

The headtube on the XL is 18.6, which is exactly the same as my Orbea. The total stack for most of my bikes (HT=15.5 + Chris King) = 19. So I think it would work.

If you are between the large an Xl, buy the Large. That way when the 605 comes out I can get a good deal on your large :)


Oh that's nice, I thought we were looking out for my needs here. :D

Oh that's nice, I thought we were looking out for my needs here. :D

I am, trust me I am.

I am from the government...I'm here to help.

7-9cm

The headtube on the XL is 18.6, which is exactly the same as my Orbea. The total stack for most of my bikes (HT=15.5 + Chris King) = 19. So I think it would work.

I think my legs are longer than your's and your drop is larger than mine.

How many spacers on the Obrea....what angle/length stem?

Len

I could give you 585 or 595 reasons not to buy it, but just buy the damn thing and don't LOOK back.

well, here's some arguments against the 595:

-imagine the panic cutting the seatpost to size (if you decide you want to sell it, major limiter); real design innovation or gimmick?

-only a 5 year warranty

-Cervelo R3 is lighter, stiffer, and costs $1000 less and has lifetime warranty

That said, Look frames are maybe the most comfortable racing rigs around...

I think my legs are longer than your's and your drop is larger than mine.

How many spacers on the Obrea....what angle/length stem?

Len

My legs aren't all that long - I ride with a 755 saddle height.

120 stem with 5mm of spacers and a 6 degree rise on the Orbea.

You mentioned Cervelo, how many warranty recalled have they gone through, good thing for the lifetime coverage.......

well, here's some arguments against the 595:

-imagine the panic cutting the seatpost to size (if you decide you want to sell it, major limiter); real design innovation or gimmick?

-only a 5 year warranty

-Cervelo R3 is lighter, stiffer, and costs $1000 less and has lifetime warranty

That said, Look frames are maybe the most comfortable racing rigs around...

Well I'll admit the seatpost scares me. But the frame does ship with a saw cutting guide and a mess of spacers.

Cervelos just don't do it for me, not matter how long I look at them.

My LBS has cross section cuts of carbon frames. The best fabrication is Time and Colnago...beautiful inside and out. The Looks look as though they are put together by a 12 year-old in shop class...glue everywhere! Not saying that the inside of the frame makes or breaks the bike but it is nice to see a higher level of care in Time and Colnago.

Hurry up, I can't control myself much longer.
They look like ass, IMHO.
The black one at least. The white looks good though.
You'd be doing a disservice to all your other bikes by sticking that thing in with them.

That 595 is the cat's meow. I ride a 585, and can't stop looking at the 95.
I'm not an ISP guy, yet, but if you get one, why not go with the best design out there.

From the discussions on the Look forum, the Orbea is a nice supple ride, but the 585 and 595s are stiff, forgiving, all day scalpels.

Hurry up, I can't control myself much longer.
OK I'll give it a shot.

Now you know Terry, it would be impolite of you to get a 595 and not get one for everyone else. I'm an XS. :)

OK I'll give it a shot.

Now you know Terry, it would be impolite of you to get a 595 and not get one for everyone else. I'm an XS. :)

Pray for INTC to hit $100 and I'll buy you one.

i ride one. love it. but i think design and technology-wise the vxrs is better. so is the 585. I like my crumpton more because it is rare, USA, handmade and well made, but there is obviously more research and design/carbon manipulation in the 585 and vxrs. i am more impressed with the vxrs from the design and details. the 585 in white to me is more aesthetically pleasing. all are great.
ride wise the crumpton has the comfort edge--but we are talking shades of difference. the vxrs to me has a slight edge in weight stiffness and handling. so slight it does not matter relative to the 585, it comes down to the design--the vxrs has more flat-out cutting edge design i think, but i have not seen a 595 up close.

not going to either--that is how i ended up with a 585

jim

I have seen this post before it's too late. :rolleyes:
I know, I know, your into all the latest techno stuff, that's what grabs you, that and really nice paint jobs. Sure, the 595 is a really nice frame, and if you gotta have it, then you gotta have it.
This is #20 is it not TB? And I do remember telling you NOT TO LET ME DOWN. :p
With all due respect, the 595 will go the way of the 585, and the 565, etc, etc, forgotten as soon as the next new techo carbon bling comes out. But: A finely crafted custom beauty with an incredible paint job will no doubt hold a test of time no?
What you need is an exquisite builder, one whom will do you something extraordinary, there are tons that dont get a lot of air time on this forum.
Think of it this way TB, in 5 years from now Len's Sachs will still be a Sachs, Todays carbon bling? Will be 5 year old carbon bling.
You know what I saying right?
If you must go carbon, at least go Crumpton. :thumbsup:
Now, let the 595 lust pass, and get creative, I'm counting on you TB. :wink:

I can try to talk you out of the Look by pointing out that the Time VXS is about the same
price (comes with a stem) and about the same weight, probably a slightly more relaxed
geometry, comes in seven sizes insteads of six, so may fit you better. I have never ridden the Look, but the Time's ride and handling are terrific.

Just got rid of my 381 a few months ago...Wanted to try something different even though I was 100% happy with the 381, but that 95er looks nice! To bad my team sponser is Orbea, to good of a deal to pass up.

I seem to remember someone saying not long ago that they were DONE, uh huh.


- My fav. : "Really babe.... It's the LAST one." :D

595 or S-Works Tarmac.

- I have rode my rep's 595 for a bit and it is NICE, VERY NICE. Reminds me of everything I like about my 555/HSC5. :)

Tarmacs & Roubaixs are REALLY nice as well, more "common" but nice. Complete bike for not much more than the Frame/Fork/HS/Post of the Look.

HHHhhhhmmmmmm, choices, choices...........

You know that I like you Terry, but really, how much help do you think you'll get from a bunch of bike geeks like us? Come on Terry. Save the money and ride those beautiful Moots of yours instead.
Cheers, Wayne

Have you considered counciling ?

I have seen this post before it's too late. :rolleyes:
I know, I know, your into all the latest techno stuff, that's what grabs you, that and really nice paint jobs. Sure, the 595 is a really nice frame, and if you gotta have it, then you gotta have it.
This is #20 is it not TB? And I do remember telling you NOT TO LET ME DOWN. :p
With all due respect, the 595 will go the way of the 585, and the 565, etc, etc, forgotten as soon as the next new techo carbon bling comes out. But: A finely crafted custom beauty with an incredible paint job will no doubt hold a test of time no?
What you need is an exquisite builder, one whom will do you something extraordinary, there are tons that dont get a lot of air time on this forum.
Think of it this way TB, in 5 years from now Len's Sachs will still be a Sachs, Todays carbon bling? Will be 5 year old carbon bling.
You know what I saying right?
If you must go carbon, at least go Crumpton. :thumbsup:
Now, let the 595 lust pass, and get creative, I'm counting on you TB. :wink:

Hogwash -- He's got timeless classics out the wazoo, why argue against the experience of the latest race oriented technology. Look has a history of very ridable bikes, no? Does he have a French bike? To call Look just BLING is a blasphemy to their racing heritage and innovation - eh, maybe not blasphemy but at least a disservice. Many folks consider Look a classic already, befitting any collection.

Diversity within TB's stable is what would make it more intriquing.

(Especially if he gets XL which is close to my size, because when INTC goes to 200 he might start collecting classic race cars.)

Pleeze?

dude.

no way. talking a fellow rider out of buying a 595 is like going to a club with your best bud and telling him to stay away from that hottie that has been eyeing him up for the last 30 mins.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/tech/?id=/tech/2006/features/tour_bikes10

This is #20 is it not TB?

Nope - would be a take-down-build-up, more than likely one of my aluminum bikes will be hanging from the rafters.

#20 is on the mental drawing board. June or July maybe.

You know that I like you Terry, but really, how much help do you think you'll get from a bunch of bike geeks like us? Come on Terry. Save the money and ride those beautiful Moots of yours instead.
Cheers, Wayne

Life is too short Wayne, you'll appreciate that when you reach my advanced age. Just as LenJ for corroboration.

Have you considered counciling ?

That's what I was hoping to get here with this question.

Look Cycles are THE "Modern Classics".
Technology leaders from the beginning. :thumbsup:

Over $1000 for a seat post? I don't see it. Beautiful frame though. And the logo up the seat post gets me all excited.

Over $1000 for a seat post? I don't see it. Beautiful frame though. And the logo up the seat post gets me all excited.

Well I did bring up both the 585 and 595 side by side on the LookUSA website and sat and stared at them for a couple of hours.

I agree, the premium is a bit steep (2007 MSRP difference is 700, not 1000) but there is just something special about how they put that whole 595 design together. I like the lettering, I like that skinny top tube, I like the internal cable routing, I like the fork branding.

One consideration is that the 585 in addition to being less expensive is a whole 100 grams lighter, which I am sure could greatly improve the times I get on my regular Staurday MUT ride. :D

But it just looks so darn cool......

Hogwash -- He's got timeless classics out the wazoo, why argue against the experience of the latest race oriented technology. Look has a history of very ridable bikes, no? Does he have a French bike? To call Look just BLING is a blasphemy to their racing heritage and innovation - eh, maybe not blasphemy but at least a disservice. Many folks consider Look a classic already, befitting any collection.

Diversity within TB's stable is what would make it more intriquing.

(Especially if he gets XL which is close to my size, because when INTC goes to 200 he might start collecting classic race cars.)
I fully recognize the LooK heritage, I was not dishing LooK. What I was doing was a comparison, todays carbon, which could include the LooK, Time, etc. etc. Consider the Sachs, in 5 years the Sachs will still be a Sachs. Let me ask you this? What was the cutting edge carbon bike in the 2001 tour? A 5200? 5900? My point was this, like computers, tech will continue to improve and todays top end carbon will be a Trek 5200 5 years form now. Sure it will still be a LooK, albeit not a lusted after one. A Vanilla will still be a Vanilla. Is Terry jumping after an old LooK KG361? No, he's after a 595. In 5 years the 595 will fall the same route as the KG. That's all I'm sayin, don't get ruffled. :)
I'm not without carbon lust myself, Iffin I had the scrill there would be a Nag Extreme Power in that beautyful green, white, and red paint scheme sitting in my den. Also quite fond of the DeRosa King, and Pinarello's. I even like the BMC. But I'd rather have a Pegoretti.

Terry,

Where are the pictures???

I like that green and red and white Extreme.

Terry,

Where are the pictures???

Hey, I'm still thinking about it. Spent an hour on the phone last night with Wrenchscience talking about fit. Now I get to obsess about it until Monday.

I fully recognize the LooK heritage, I was not dishing LooK. What I was doing was a comparison, todays carbon, which could include the LooK, Time, etc. etc. Consider the Sachs, in 5 years the Sachs will still be a Sachs. Let me ask you this? What was the cutting edge carbon bike in the 2001 tour? A 5200? 5900? My point was this, like computers, tech will continue to improve and todays top end carbon will be a Trek 5200 5 years form now. Sure it will still be a LooK, albeit not a lusted after one. A Vanilla will still be a Vanilla. Is Terry jumping after an old LooK KG361? No, he's after a 595. In 5 years the 595 will fall the same route as the KG. That's all I'm sayin, don't get ruffled. :)
I'm not without carbon lust myself, Iffin I had the scrill there would be a Nag Extreme Power in that beautyful green, white, and red paint scheme sitting in my den. Also quite fond of the DeRosa King, and Pinarello's. I even like the BMC. But I'd rather have a Pegoretti.

Nobody ruffled here. My '99 Calfee Tetra is still an amazingly excellent ride and I expect it will be in 5 or more years. It's not cutting edge carbon today but a wonderful ride. If the Look 595 is a good ride today it will be a good ride in 10 years, especially as it will be a relatively low mileage vehicle in TB's fleet. And if somebody wins the TdF, Giro or Vuelta on it this year it will be a very collectable bike, maybe even lusted after by many.

I ride a new lugged steel bike and love it but if I had Terry's stable I'd rather try out a Look than a Sachs (3 years down the road).

I have a white 565 and it is the best bike I have ever ridden. I do not have a stable like terrys but I have had a Waterford 2200, IF Crown Jewel, Orbea Leige, Orbea Opal, Orbea Opal, Orbea Lobular, Look 555 and a Trek 5200. The 565 is stiff, light and darn sexy. It really does everything you could ask from a bike. I would imagine the 595 blows my 555 away. Terry you are going to have sell off the rest of your stable cause you will not ride any of the other bikes anymore.

Life is too short Wayne, you'll appreciate that when you reach my advanced age. Just as LenJ for corroboration.


Actually, I celebrate 40 this year and I'm trying to think of something special to do or get. Should I turn to "the" Terry B for inspiration? A Moots with couplers looks like a sweet option... :)

because i have a 585, great bike. i still look at bikes. i can tell you, on a clear sunny day (few), it is a toss up on what i reach for. i think you should ride a time vxrs or vxs too before deciding on the 585 or 595. I don't know who said the time was more relaxed--i think not.
i think my look 585 white credit agricole is a great looking bike--i am glad i had a chance to ride it. sort of wish i could keep it. better to have it and then part with it than not have it and want it

and get it in a large so you can sell it to me if i get into a bigger place down the road with more room for bikes

Hey, I'm still thinking about it. Spent an hour on the phone last night with Wrenchscience talking about fit. Now I get to obsess about it until Monday.

You're waaaay past counseling, but you know that.
Sounds like a Look is in the future.
Your Moots and many others don't cause too much envy but the Look (and maybe the Davidson) will haunt me.

TB, DO IT!
Seriously, I had an issue w/ a 585 that was a manufactring defect- and the have taken excellent care of me. They are even replacing the non-drive side record crank that was trashed. They have made a believer out ouf me.
Vince

I would get one if they put more logos on it....... :crazy:

I would get one if they put more logos on it....... :crazy:

Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. I can see three on the fork alone! Given that the brand name is an imperative, too, they're obviously trying to get maximum advertising dollars out of it.

Hey Chuck..........what kind of bike is that anyway? I mean the white one.

Hey Chuck..........what kind of bike is that anyway? I mean the white one.


I don't have any idea? :idea: I'm not much for generic products....

I don't have any idea? :idea: I'm not much for generic products....


- IT made ya "Look"!!! :D

- Back OT.... I'm in the same boat with rollinrob. Out of all the roadies I've owned past and present, the 555 is the best riding roadbike I've ever been on.... That is until I spent a little time on a 595. :thumbsup:

One consideration is that the 585 in addition to being less expensive is a whole 100 grams lighter, :D
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Is this correct? I think the listed weight on the 595 is 1080, i'm not sure if that includes all the pieces of the seatpost/clamp. I sure hope it does.
My white 585 is 1030g for a small.
The forks are within 5g.

You add a seatpost for the 585, let's assume a super light post, 160g...

I see the 595 as ~100g lighter, or at least not any heavier.

One bonus is the 595 has a 1 1/4" bottom HS bearing/steer tube, which lends well to front end stiffness.

Can't go wrong with either.

Pray for INTC to hit $100 and I'll buy you one.
Holy cow! Yesss sir! I am down on my knees sir, and PRAYIN'!!!!! :D

Yea, I realized my math miscegenation while I was out eating chile rellenos tonite - you have to add the seatpost back into the 585 total.

Ah well, I guess I'll be equally slow regardless of the frame I choose.

Yea, I realized my math miscegenation while I was out eating chile rellenos tonite - you have to add the seatpost back into the 585 total.

Ah well, I guess I'll be equally slow regardless of the frame I choose.
Chile rellenos....I luv Mexican food. :D
Is this thread still going? TB, I thought you would have bought it buy now?

Chile rellenos....I luv Mexican food. :D
Is this thread still going? TB, I thought you would have bought it buy now?

Wrenchscience was closed over the weekend, and my local Look dealer didn't have a 595 on the floor.

Can't blame me, I tried.

Oh, bottomed out on the paint job for that little S&S coupled steel creation I've pondering. You gonna likes it - very classic. Can I come back to clubhouse? :D

Ok, I'll bite, but I must preface this by saying my comments are for the 585 ( a close friend has one), which I have ridden for all of 200 miles or so last summer.

Here is what I liked about the 585: Felt great on climbs, most lively feeling carbon bike I have been on. Spirited, fun ride, stiff enough to feel great on flats and rollers, too. Head tube was stiff, too, you know that that is important if you owned the previous incarnation of the Orca with the "softish" head tube area (I got rid of mine for that very reason).

What I didn't like: Descending. Don't get me wrong, it felt nice and stiff there, too, very precise in fact. The real downside was that the stays were so stiff that I felt it didn't track vertically at all, no give whatsoever if you hit any detritus or uneven pavement on the road. This created a skittery feeling on fast curvy downhills, with the rear end end likely airborne if the debris was large enough. This was pretty unsettling for me, and I never felt like I could let the bike out at 35-40+mph. My buddy acknowledged a slight skittish feeling, but it didn't bother him that much, he is a much better descender than I. Anyway, geometry was right for me, weight distribution good, and fit up perfect for me, so go figure.

Other than that lack of vertical compliance in the stays on downhills, I would have thought it near perfect for me. It is sweet looking, light, lively, and feels fast, and the 595 looks even sexier. They may have tweaked things a bit, so if you get it and don't like it, you could send it to me. I am sure I could learn to live with it.

:thumbsup: Ok, now the only thing you have to decide on is the color and components. I rode with some guy who had the Credit Agricole with full Campy Record. It was stunning and usually I'm not impressed by these things. Pictures do this bike no justice at all. The white is jaw dropping.

I'm sorry about the push...

I was just at Fattire and I could have sworn I saw a large black 595. Cant believe how big that place has gotten since moving. The best kicker to being a look owner is the customer service. Chas is a customer service rep for look-usa that posts here in the Look forum. He is more than helpful.

Remember my oh so sweet 481 Jalabert? When it broke Look warrantied it with a new 585. That isn't too bad for customer service. Don't blame the frame for breaking BTW. I guess it just couldn't hold up to the day after day of 1200 watt three hour rides I was putting on it :rolleyes:

P.S. Terry....
http://content.mtbr.com/images/Tradeshow/13/278/prodimg2.jpg

Here is another take

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=76997&stc=1&d=1169272777

Here's another...
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/phpBB2/download.php?id=17288

Not mine - but very nice. and here's a thread on it: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25030

could generate so long a thread discussing a purchase??:) This is great! Don't look for me to talk you out of it!!

b21

I was just at Fattire and I could have sworn I saw a large black 595. Cant believe how big that place has gotten since moving. The best kicker to being a look owner is the customer service. Chas is a customer service rep for look-usa that posts here in the Look forum. He is more than helpful.

Remember my oh so sweet 481 Jalabert? When it broke Look warrantied it with a new 585. That isn't too bad for customer service. Don't blame the frame for breaking BTW. I guess it just couldn't hold up to the day after day of 1200 watt three hour rides I was putting on it :rolleyes:

Sheesh - I called them on Saturday and asked if they had a 595 on the floor and they said "no", but please come in an look at our Time stock. And people wonder why I hate LBSs so much. I try to give them $4G and they can't even get that straight.

but i think you should also listen to them--go try a Time too. Look has the better "look", but the time is a great ride IMO.

but i think you should also listen to them--go try a Time too. Look has the better "look", but the time is a great ride IMO.

Sitting here thinking about it this morning. We'll see.

Well, it's Tuesday already--are you going to buy the Look?

Well, it's Tuesday already--are you going to buy the Look?

I'm ashamed to admit it might already have happened. :blush2:

Well, cool! Congratulations! Are you going to post pics so the rest of us can live vicariously through you?

Well, cool! Congratulations! Are you going to post pics so the rest of us can live vicariously through you?

Well it's sort of a tradition for all of us to post the new toys so I imagine if it's actually been bought and if it actually shows up and gets built then pictures might actually be in the offing.

Terryb,

Nice, congratulations! That was some buildup to the big decision. I'm sure you won't regret it. BTW, what color?

Chris

My guess would be white.

I dont think so, he was frothing over the black frame ealier in this post. The question is: was it the black with solid red letters or black with outlined red letters?

I went with the black Origin frame - skeleton letters. The Ultra is the frame with the solid letters and it's designed for bigger, stronger riders and neither of those adjectives apply to lil' ole' me.

The original white 585 was what got be spinning about a Look in the first place. But I did that white Strong 953 bike to scratch that itch, essentially copying their paint job.

The new 595 advertising campaign with the black frame got me thinking again, and so, here we are.

Pray for INTC to hit $100 and I'll buy you one.

Sadly, Look will have produced the 5995 by the time that happens...

Sadly, Look will have produced the 5995 by the time that happens...

You've ruined my day. Happy now?

You've ruined my day. Happy now? um, sorry? didn't mean to ruin your day...figured you knew what was up w/INTC

um, sorry? didn't mean to ruin your day...figured you knew what was up w/INTC


Oh, I know only too well.

But one can dream, can't one?

I'm ashamed to admit it might already have happened. :blush2:


You do know that I'm really not surprised, right?

Oh, I know only too well.

But one can dream, can't one?

Absolutely. Look at it like this - when one of your other ships comes in, you can sell INTC to offset the capital gains...

What about Colnago? That's my drug of choice....mmmmm

I went with the black Origin frame - skeleton letters. The Ultra is the frame with the solid letters and it's designed for bigger, stronger riders and neither of those adjectives apply to lil' ole' me.

The original white 585 was what got be spinning about a Look in the first place. But I did that white Strong 953 bike to scratch that itch, essentially copying their paint job.

The new 595 advertising campaign with the black frame got me thinking again, and so, here we are.

That is the best color choice. I have a white 585, after stepping down from a black 585. I've wanted the white one for 1 yr, since I saw it before the Tour de California. When the black 585 origin came in Dec., one look and I knew it was a better looker than whitey. Oh well. C'est la vie.

What about Colnago? That's my drug of choice....mmmmm

I have 3 already.

That is the best color choice. I have a white 585, after stepping down from a black 585. I've wanted the white one for 1 yr, since I saw it before the Tour de California. When the black 585 origin came in Dec., one look and I knew it was a better looker than whitey. Oh well. C'est la vie.

I love the white one, and while black bikes don't offer a lot of opportunities to do interesting "themes", the new skeleton branding scheme is simply cool. Too cool to pass up.

You do know that I'm really not surprised, right?


kidding...we all knew Terry had made up his mind before he even posted this thread....:rolleyes:

you are the king of all of us Bike *****s! :blush2: :D

Congratulations.

Len

If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve.

If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve.
Tough luck you got the position with bike #15.
Only way to get rid of it is to give me acouple. I'll take the 953, and a Colnago?

Tough luck you got the position with bike #15.
Only way to get rid of it is to give me acouple. I'll take the 953, and a Colnago?


Terry's already the DPRK of RBR....LOL.....:eek:

Terry has the most boring bike collection I've seen. They are all so similar, I like the Vanilla, but for the most part... what is the big deal about having a bunch of high end road racing bikes.... Does he have any touring or commuting or frankenbikes or anything interesting at all? Like I said I know I'm gonna get flamed, I don't mean any disrespect or anything, I love Terry's posts. I appreciate the pictures from 'Burque and Corrales that he posts. I understand everyone's enthusiasm for him. I'm glad that he is happy with his collection. I'm happy he has a beautiful wife and had a great birthday and all. But Terry throw us retro, commuter, touring, classic, weird bike lovers a bone. I know you gotta have something other than just a catalog showroom in your stable.

Ok what would I buy if I wanted to spend 5-8k on a bike? I'd buy one of each Surly. Yeah boring ol' generic steel. But, what a blast to ride truly different bikes, not just different high tech road race bikes. My own collection somewhat matches that. A few steel bikes, a few commuters, a couple of single speeds, a touring, a hard tail mountain bike, a couple of full suspension, a bmx, a flatbar roadie, a cyclo cross, a ti racer.

Ok, I'm ready to be flamed, but just remember I do not mean any disrespect for the esteemed Mr. Terry, just statng my personal preferences.

I also hope to see you out on the Bosque trail sometime Terry.

retro: just not interested.
commuter: I don't commute
touring: I have a cross bike with couplers, suppose that would work
classic: just not interested, did enough of that back in the 60.

I've said it a couple of times in the past, for me it's all about themes, eye appeal and paint jobs. I'm a sucker for that stuff much the same as some are suckers for variety. I get enough variety by having a SS, a fixie and an MTB. For me, riding is riding. I just like looking at them in the off hours and I really enjoy the planning, thinking, amassing the parts and the building.

I also hope to see you out on the Bosque trail sometime Terry.

I hope so too.

Terry's already the DPRK of RBR....LOL.....:eek:

No, no, no - he's on a totally different plane. I'm just someone who likes building them but cannot get his head wrapped around moving them on.

No, no, no - he's on a totally different plane. I'm just someone who likes building them but cannot get his head wrapped around moving them on.


you still looking to sell that one Ti frame??

you still looking to sell that one Ti frame??

sure - it's about a 58 with a black powdercoat job with blue/green flames from Spectrum. CP titanium, excellent condition. Headset included.

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commuter: I don't commute
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Terry, even though you don't commute, don't you ever just wanna jump on a bike and head down to Perea’s for some green chile stew? Or even just run down to the store without having to fire up the car, truck, suv thing? I mostly get around by bike when I'm in Alb, it's such a great place to live car free. I usually only drive the truck or car when I go out to the ranch or when I go skiing (or climbing in summer). It's nice to have a jump on and go bike, no cleats, comfy seat, single speed or single chainring, no fuss easy. Hahaha but I'm lazy that way.

I look forward to your build up on the Look and hopefully we'll get some more pics with the great NM scenery.

I live in Corrales, so getting to anywhere is not an easy thing. If I lived in town I would certainly have a bomber for cruising around. But it's just not convenient out here in the sticks. It's a pain to ride from my place down to Alberstons.

When I was an urbanite, I didn't have a car. Choosing to live out here though leaves me no choice. I do use my SSMTB for errand running where it makes sense.

I live in Corrales, so getting to anywhere is not an easy thing. If I lived in town I would certainly have a bomber for cruising around. But it's just not convenient out here in the sticks. It's a pain to ride from my place down to Alberstons.

When I was an urbanite, I didn't have a car. Choosing to live out here though leaves me no choice. I do use my SSMTB for errand running where it makes sense.

Here's where my "retro" kicks in.

I use my fully restored, early '70's Geoffrey Butler Racing bike.

10 speeds, Reynolds 531C and fenders - Ultra Cool Errand getter.

Terry...to help you (and others on the forum) I am willing to sacrifice some of my limited riding time to break in your 595 for you. It is the truly noble thing for me to do....with the apparent numbe rof bikes that you have, you will obviously not have time to ride it until it is truly "READY", and everyone (me included) on the forum will be waiting impatiently for you to post pictures and ride reports. Just forward the frame to me and a blank check and I will happily send back pics and ride reports....

This is really a very considerate and touching offer. It's so nice to see someone with genuine altruism in this cold, bleak world we live in.

Thanks so much, I'll give this offer the consideration it deserves. :D

Lancezneighbor,

Some people collect Ferrari's! You could probably get 30 or 40 bikes for a new one of those. I don't think you can look at this whole thing logically. It's a pastime with no right or wrong. Some people have a more narrow focus and others,like yourself, a wider view.

Terryb,

I don't know if you've addressed this but do you have a rotation for these bikes or just ride whichever strikes your fancy. Also, any threads with your reviews and comparisons of ride quality, looks, performance.etc.

Thanks,

Chris

in real life terryb is probably fat rich dude who likes to show off his bikes online

OR

someone with a very big paycheck whos a hella good rider who has hella nice bikes


PS get more mountain bikes enough road

I don't know if you've addressed this but do you have a rotation for these bikes or just ride whichever strikes your fancy. Also, any threads with your reviews and comparisons of ride quality, looks, performance.etc.


I have a spread sheet that tracks mileage by bike and I try to see that each one gets its fair share of my yearly allotment.

In a big year for me, they all get 300-400. Last year 200 or so apiece. Nice thing is nothing ever wears out. :D

In terms of ride reviews, I'll be honest - I am just not sensitive enough to draw any meaningful conclusions other than liking them well enough to ride and keep them. Based on my lack of sensitivity, I find myself pretty much in the camp of "every decent bike rides decently." I love them all and given that I took a lot of time picking and spec'ing, it's not a big surprise. I'm easy to please, which I guess is a good thing.

Since lancezneighbor has so obviusly opened your eyes to the error of your (Collection) ways....I really hope you are not too crushed......I really feel for you & want to help.

If you need my shipping address to take some of those oh so similar bikes out of your eyesight and reduce your misery.....just let me know.

I'm here for you man!
Whatever I can do.

Len

in real life terryb is probably fat rich dude who likes to show off his bikes online

OR

someone with a very big paycheck whos a hella good rider who has hella nice bikes


PS get more mountain bikes enough road

5'11", 155lbs. - is that fat? :p

paycheck - well, I've spent more than 30 years carving little slices of silicon into devices that allows me to show off my bikes on-line and to chit-chat with you. Paid my dues and I have no intention of leaving a financial legacy. Why not blow it on bikes?

MTB - I have a Yeti, who would want anything more than that?

Just to add something to a post above. If terry were to commute, he would spend more time pumping his tires up than it would take to get to the office. If it weren't for one massive hill that is! :thumbsup:

5'11", 155lbs. - is that fat? :p

paycheck - well, I've spent more than 30 years carving little slices of silicon into devices that allows me to show off my bikes on-line and to chit-chat with you. Paid my dues and I have no intention of leaving a financial legacy. Why not blow it on bikes?

MTB - I have a Yeti, who would want anything more than that?

why not get a freeride bike , like a demo 7, an xc bike, an all mountain. dh bike, dj bike.

+ all your sick roadie bikes

= best collection ever

Terry has the most boring bike collection I've seen. They are all so similar, I like the Vanilla, but for the most part... what is the big deal about having a bunch of high end road racing bikes.... Does he have any touring or commuting or frankenbikes or anything interesting at all? Like I said I know I'm gonna get flamed, I don't mean any disrespect or anything, I love Terry's posts. I appreciate the pictures from 'Burque and Corrales that he posts. I understand everyone's enthusiasm for him. I'm glad that he is happy with his collection. I'm happy he has a beautiful wife and had a great birthday and all. But Terry throw us retro, commuter, touring, classic, weird bike lovers a bone. I know you gotta have something other than just a catalog showroom in your stable.

Ok what would I buy if I wanted to spend 5-8k on a bike? I'd buy one of each Surly. Yeah boring ol' generic steel. But, what a blast to ride truly different bikes, not just different high tech road race bikes. My own collection somewhat matches that. A few steel bikes, a few commuters, a couple of single speeds, a touring, a hard tail mountain bike, a couple of full suspension, a bmx, a flatbar roadie, a cyclo cross, a ti racer.

Ok, I'm ready to be flamed, but just remember I do not mean any disrespect for the esteemed Mr. Terry, just statng my personal preferences.

I also hope to see you out on the Bosque trail sometime Terry.
Touring bikes? Commuters? Feh! there are tons of them in the C&T Forum. I say let terry b be terry b.

p.s. Pssst, terry! Intel closed up $0.24 today!!!!! :thumbsup:

p.s. Pssst, terry! Intel closed up $0.24 today!!!!! :thumbsup:

Well that's good news, I have some expiring shares I have to dump by early April.

Go for the Ridley Noah. I have riden both bikes the Ridley is my #1 Bike

Easy. Don't buy one for yourself -- buy it for me.

:D

Have you seen Nick's Track Bike?

http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?act=home

Holy cow, there's your next bike..........well not a track frame, but a Crumpton!

Have you seen Nick's Track Bike?

http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?act=home

Holy cow, there's your next bike..........well not a track frame, but a Crumpton!

Remember what I told you about Magic #20?

Remember what I told you about Magic #20?
you had mentioned a S&S custom steel, something about a mental drawing board? But you also stated that you gave up on that Idea?
Heck TB, I can't even keep up with my own bike lusts and wants...:p
So, what did you think of that Crumpton Track bike? Sick sexy, man that bike is lucious.
Wish I could go to NAHMBS.......I would be like that kid in Willy Wonka that overdosed on Chocolate....:arf:

Tech........Retro.... :idea:

Retro....Tech......Retrotec!

That is one sexalicious bicicletta.

have you seen a De Rosa King first hand , I was curious as to the finish and paint . Is it as good as the photos look. As good as a Colnago finish? /any info appreciated. j

have you seen a De Rosa King first hand , I was curious as to the finish and paint . Is it as good as the photos look. As good as a Colnago finish? /any info appreciated. j
Seen a few, up close and personal like. finish is top notch, every bit the Nag, one of our LBS carries them both, and you can fondle them side by side....:D

Just a personal preference comment:

When I first saw the 595 (white!) I fell in love. But that was looking at the pics of new unbuilt frames, and frames that were built up for bike shows and pro riders.
Since then, I've seen a few ISP bikes (595, Noah, Giant) after the seat mast has been cut down to 'regular' rider's needs. I personally don't think they look so hot after 10cm of the seat mast has been lopped off. Just my .02. :)

MTB - I have a Yeti, who would want anything more than that?


A Yeti? puleaz...

Get yourself a full rigid 17 lbs 29er SS. You won't ride your other 19 bikes again, unless just for kicks. Have Kent build you one and throw a Pace carbon rigid fork on there. The rest of the parts are just along for the ride.

How about De Rosa Idol?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/gregsti/cyc-1163751255-74-55215.jpg

How about De Rosa Idol?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/gregsti/cyc-1163751255-74-55215.jpg

damnation... that isn't a bike, it's a mistress.:eek:

How about De Rosa Idol?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/gregsti/cyc-1163751255-74-55215.jpg
:eek: :eek: :yikes:
I hadn't seen the white one, Ohhh my, I'm a Ti and Steel guy and that's the sexiest bike I've ever seen. The red FZ's really pull it off, WoW! I bet my sorry Phat and Slow Arsk could get up to a whopping 10mph on that beauty! :ihih:
Damn that's sexy, only thing I would change would be the saddle......HR is right, that's a mistress, (Saturday) "honey, I'm gonna go down the office and do some work today" :D

TB, Just to jump in here, but I saw a white one in the Bicycling '07 buyer's guide. You want to buy it, its sweet!

TB, Just to jump in here, but I saw a white one in the Bicycling '07 buyer's guide. You want to buy it, its sweet!

Those were my first thoughts too. Bt again, make sure you know what it will look like after you cut 10cm of that sexy seat mast off...
Cheers