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Live Steam 06-22-2004, 12:23 PM probably won't, but from what I have been hearing and reading it is 1. very dry and boring 2. he places blame for all of his misfortunes and terrible decisions on his subordinates such as DD Myers and Young George. Yes Clinton makes some statement about George's youth and inexperience, and the sometimes poor advice he received from him. Well wasn't he the one who hired him? Or was it Hillary forcing Bubba to hire her little boy toy as payback for his years of philandering in the governor's mansion? LOL!!!
czardonic 06-22-2004, 01:03 PM Thanks for your poorly based opinion.
As always. ;)
I've apparently wasted 30 years interviewing people and doing research in the mistaken belief that you actually have to KNOW about something before you express an opinion, and you've proved me wrong. DAMN, what I'd give to have that time back!
Live Steam 06-22-2004, 03:05 PM "Sloppy, self-indulgent and often eye-crossingly dull," was the verdict of the New York Times on the publishing event of the year, Bill Clinton's 957 page memoir My Life.
In a particularly scathing review, the NYT critic denigrated the book as a mirror of Mr Clinton's presidency, with its "lack of discipline leading to squandered opportunities [and] high expectations, undermined by self-indulgence and scattered concentration".
I stated it's what I heard and read. Hey go buy the book. I'll save my dollars for a new set of Tufo tubular clinchers :O)
czardonic 06-22-2004, 03:16 PM You don't read the NYT either, do you? Or do you make a special exception for their notorious vendetta agains Clinton?
I know you don't read TAP: <a href="http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7893" target="_blank">http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7893</a>
<ul>. . .Is it "self-serving" and "turgid" of Clinton to state his case against Ken Starr? Granted, I haven't read it, and for all I know the passages might be poorly written. But the prose style isn't what matters here; it could have been as incandescent as Zola's or Carlyle's, and the criticism would have been exactly the same. Bill Clinton wronged us. There is no defense. The reviewer gives away the game with that lazy dig in the final paragraph citing "lies... about real estate." What lies about real estate? Both Clintons were exonerated, as Joe Klein pointed out on Meet the Press; in fact, they were exonerated several times over.
Did Clinton write anything in this book about: Kosovo, or the 1993 stimulus package, or globalization? How 21 million jobs were created during his tenure? About race relations in America or about the government shutdown of 1995-96? His ideas about the history and future fate of liberal politics in America? I suspect that, in 957 pages, he must have. But one would never know it from reading this review that the Times felt moved to give front-page placement. . .
. . .As Kakutani was reading the memoir and sitting down to write, the 9-11 commission -- headed by a Republican, with a staff run by a Republican who used to work for Condi Rice, no less -- declared the Bush administration's second-most important rationale for war, the supposed Iraq–al-Qaeda connection, null and void (the first, Saddam-make-New York-go-boom, was nullified some time ago). Such a development might be expected to have given a critic a little perspective on the question of the consequences of executive deception. Unfortunately, we don't speak so much today of consequences. Instead, we speak, incessantly, of perceptions. And the mainstream perception of Bill Clinton -- created by the right wing, reinforced by a liberal elite with a historical inferiority complex that made it uniquely susceptible to the right's argument -- is set in stone. Clinton is not blameless, of course. And it may be that he wrote a mediocre book. But he and his presidency, both the bad and good aspects of it, deserve far more than boomer sniping -- a posture that explains a lot about who's really being self-indulgent.</ul>
Or Salon: <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/22/times/print.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/22/times/print.html</a>
<ul>. . .So perhaps it isn't surprising that Kakutani, without citing any proof, toes the Times' house line and accuses Clinton of telling "lies about ... real estate," a clear reference to the Whitewater scandal. Yet even Ken Starr's office of independent counsel, and his successor Robert Ray, along with the Republican-run Resolution Trust Co., came to the conclusion that the Clintons never "lied" about Whitewater. Instead, they put nearly $200,000 at risk in the Arkansas vacationland venture and lost $43,000 in the end.
Kakutani could not be reached for comment about the "lies" she alleges Clinton told. In an e-mail response to Salon, executive editor Bill Keller points out that "the official investigations concluded that there was insufficient evidence to accuse the Clintons of a crime. Deceit is not a crime. I think it's well within a critic's right to hold that the Clintons were not entirely forthcoming. The Ray report, for example, said they were prone to statements that were 'factually inaccurate.'"
But Gene Lyons, author of the 1996 book "Fools for Scandal: How the Media Invented Whitewater," which dissected the Times' prominent role in Whitewater, says, "Bill Keller should know not every factually inaccurate statement is a lie." If that were the definition of "lies," he says, then the Times' Whitewater coverage has been littered with them. "Nobody wants the Times to run an 8,000-word word correction on Whitewater at this point. But a little humility on the topic would be in order, I think."
. . .Kakutani also belittles Clinton for his lack of candor, but fails to inform readers that "My Life" reportedly contains strong criticism of the New York Times, and specifically its Whitewater coverage. As David Brock's Web site Media Matters for America notes, Kakutani did the same thing in her unflattering review of Sen. Hillary Clinton's 2003 memoir "Living History," failing to inform Times readers that the book contained accusations that the Times practiced dishonest journalism. </ul>
Live Steam 06-22-2004, 06:11 PM I have to laugh that people continue to cite that they were cleared of any wrongdoing in the Whitewater scam. Most of the material witnesses mysteriously died before they were able to testify. One even chose imprisonment rather than face some strange and untimely death.
Yes I do on occasion read the times. My folks get it and I get second dibs on it. I posted the Times review because you guys here think it's the Bible or something. Salon? Hahahaha! Man that is real journalism. LOL!!!
Salon? Hahahaha! Man that is real journalism. LOL!!!
What - yet another of your empty criticisms? Please show where Salon posts intentionally untrue, misleading pieces, and I'll show you where the likes of Fox News and Newmax does, and does so constantly.
Better yet, just go here: http://mediamatters.org/
Put up or shut up.
:rolleyes:
bill105 06-23-2004, 05:03 AM What - yet another of your empty criticisms? Please show where Salon posts intentionally untrue, misleading pieces, and I'll show you where the likes of Fox News and Newmax does, and does so constantly.
Better yet, just go here: http://mediamatters.org/
Put up or shut up.
:rolleyes:
lets talk about media bias again. even though anyone with a brain knows most of the major media slants the news liberally, leave it to writers from ucla and u of chicago, two real liberal fortresses, to also come to the same conclusion. who did they find to be closest to the center? DRUDGE!!!!! smoke that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahhhahahhahhahhhaahhaaaahahhahah! !!!!!!!!!
hey libbys, keep kidding yourselves and feeding from the media trough or we wont have anything to argue about.
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thatsmybush 06-23-2004, 05:12 AM lets talk about media bias again. even though anyone with a brain knows most of the major media slants the news liberally, leave it to writers from ucla and u of chicago, two real liberal fortresses, to also come to the same conclusion. who did they find to be closest to the center? DRUDGE!!!!! smoke that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahhhahahhahhahhhaahhaaaahahhahah! !!!!!!!!!
hey libbys, keep kidding yourselves and feeding from the media trough or we wont have anything to argue about.
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Do you need a cigarette now? That seemed like quite a "release" for you. Perhaps a kleenex wipe?
bill105 06-23-2004, 05:22 AM Do you need a cigarette now? That seemed like quite a "release" for you. Perhaps a kleenex wipe?
just pointing out the truth to a libby is release enough.
thatsmybush 06-23-2004, 05:31 AM just pointing out the truth to a libby is release enough.
What a shame, as a Libby I prefer sex as a release.
I knew there was a reason I was a liberal. Certainly justifies if enough for me.
bill105 06-23-2004, 05:36 AM What a shame, as a Libby I prefer sex as a release.
I knew there was a reason I was a liberal. Certainly justifies if enough for me.
and as a libby, your definition of "sex" could include/exclude any of a number of things since bubba re-defined it for you. i bet thats not in the book.
Do you need a cigarette now? That seemed like quite a "release" for you. Perhaps a kleenex wipe?
Or perhaps bill needs a keyboard wipe? I didn't know this forum was better than 'net porn. :eek:
Laff My Yass Off! :D
You avoided the question, bill: Which side of the media is the one that lies, covers-up (or doesn't cover at all), and denies information the most? Care to "point out the truth" about that?
thatsmybush 06-23-2004, 05:45 AM and as a libby, your definition of "sex" could include/exclude any of a number of things since bubba re-defined it for you. i bet thats not in the book.
Trust me whatever his definition is I am willing to abide by, the man seemed to enjoy himself in the oval office. Cigars anyone?
Live Steam 06-23-2004, 07:09 AM Hey bozo you show those pics to your daughter? If not then you shouldn't be posting them here!
thatsmybush 06-23-2004, 07:16 AM Hey bozo you show those pics to your daughter? If not then you shouldn't be posting them here!
Which hits too close to home for you STEAM, Yoda or the Sheep?
czardonic 06-23-2004, 09:46 AM I posted the Times review because you guys here think it's the Bible or something.
99% of the time that the NYT is mentioned on this board, it is by <i>you</i>.
bill105 06-23-2004, 11:05 AM Or perhaps bill needs a keyboard wipe? I didn't know this forum was better than 'net porn. :eek:
Laff My Yass Off! :D
You avoided the question, bill: Which side of the media is the one that lies, covers-up (or doesn't cover at all), and denies information the most? Care to "point out the truth" about that?
without a doubt the libby media covers up, under reports, non reports or flat out lies when it suits it agenda.
Just as I said: a lot of blowing smoke, with no evidence to back it up. :rolleyes:
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