Had a field day when Kerry used some "blue" language after being accosted by someone at the Vietnam wall. So I am sure they will join me in my severe admonishment and hope they will call for the dismissal of one Vice President Cheney for his dropping of the F-Bomb at a Senator who dared disagree with him on the senate floor. Come on guys let us here from LIVE and BILL as to how he isn't fit for office because he swears occasionally.

For the benefit of BILL I will post a link. From none other than fair and balanced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123710,00.html

Had a field day when Kerry used some "blue" language after being accosted by someone at the Vietnam wall. So I am sure they will join me in my severe admonishment and hope they will call for the dismissal of one Vice President Cheney for his dropping of the F-Bomb at a Senator who dared disagree with him on the senate floor. Come on guys let us here from LIVE and BILL as to how he isn't fit for office because he swears occasionally.

For the benefit of BILL I will post a link. From none other than fair and balanced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123710,00.html

yeah, I'm waiting to hear them explain this away. I'm sure Leahy will be blamed.

tough guy. When Democrats do it they call it a disgrace to the moral character of our country.

chirp chirp

tough guy. When Democrats do it they call it a discrace to the moral character of our country.

chirp chirp


its wrong and he should be admonished. hows that? i dont remember anyone asking for kerry to be thrown ot of the race for president and the last time i checked, cheney wasnt the president. i said, kerry wasnt fit to be president and i still say that. but, in addition to his potty mouth, kerry has a whole nother list of negatives.

Admonished? no. TMB & 128 (me too) just offer it up as a point of interest.

...last time i checked, cheney wasnt the president. No he is the Vice Pres., one heart beat away...

...potty mouth...? Yea we are all so pure as the driven snow.

Had a field day when Kerry used some "blue" language after being accosted by someone at the Vietnam wall. So I am sure they will join me in my severe admonishment and hope they will call for the dismissal of one Vice President Cheney for his dropping of the F-Bomb at a Senator who dared disagree with him on the senate floor. Come on guys let us here from LIVE and BILL as to how he isn't fit for office because he swears occasionally.

For the benefit of BILL I will post a link. From none other than fair and balanced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123710,00.html

If you'll allow me a rough analogy, I think I can point out the difference.

Suppose a linebacker grabs the face mask of a running back and flings him to the ground. Is it wrong? Yes. Should he be penalized according to the rules of the game? Of course.

Now suppose another linebacker runs into the stands and starts pummeling a fan because the fan said something that the linebacker didn't like.

Is that the same thing?

Of course not.

Cheney swore at another politician on the "field of battle". I don't excuse it in the least, and he should be punished according to whatever rule exists concerning language on the floor of the Senate, but it's far different than swearing at a citizen.

Don't you think so?

If you'll allow me a rough analogy, I think I can point out the difference.

Suppose a linebacker grabs the face mask of a running back and flings him to the ground. Is it wrong? Yes. Should he be penalized according to the rules of the game? Of course.

Now suppose another linebacker runs into the stands and starts pummeling a fan because the fan said something that the linebacker didn't like.

Is that the same thing?

Of course not.

Cheney swore at another politician on the "field of battle". I don't excuse it in the least, and he should be punished according to whatever rule exists concerning language on the floor of the Senate, but it's far different than swearing at a citizen.

Don't you think so?

Poor analogy. There is no difference. And I don't care about either.
Both sides do it. Both sides have a dark side that comes out at inopportune times, like when the cameras are rolling.

I like your analogy. Makes perfect sense to me. If they don't like it, f%$k em'! :O)

I like your analogy. Makes perfect sense to me. If they don't like it, f%$k em'! :O)

So it's okay for me to swear at my coworkers but not to the general public?

I think not. I get pretty worked up about certain work related issues and can feel pretty pissed off toward certain coworkers but I think that my boss would not tolerate abusive language.

Cheney was at work. He was abusive toward a coworker. I'm his boss -- as a public servant, he works for me -- and I don't think that his conduct was professional.

I like your analogy. Makes perfect sense to me. If they don't like it, f%$k em'! :O)
you were OUTRAGED at Kerry's language. Just beside yourself. A massive denunciatory post. Unfit to be president etc etc. I can only assume you've had a change of heart, since Big Dick's outburst doesn't bother you.

For the record, neither Kerry's F bomb nor The Dick's bothers me. I assume we all drop it from time to time, eh? But I think we should be intellectually honest, so you should either apologize to Kerry or explain why one F bomb is just ungodly awful and one's OK.

Don't go for a bike ride, now. Answer this.

:-))

you were OUTRAGED at Kerry's language. Just beside yourself. A massive denunciatory post. Unfit to be president etc etc. I can only assume you've had a change of heart, since Big Dick's outburst doesn't bother you.

For the record, neither Kerry's F bomb nor The Dick's bothers me. I assume we all drop it from time to time, eh? But I think we should be intellectually honest, so you should either apologize to Kerry or explain why one F bomb is just ungodly awful and one's OK.

Don't go for a bike ride, now. Answer this.

:-))
Well Red, you rotten Commie Pinko, I gotta agree with ya on this one! I too didn't give a rat's ass about the report of Kerry flippin' off some guy at the WWII memorial, nor Cheney tellin' Lehey to **** off! God it's good to finally see some fire in the belly these two boring guys. I'd really like to see 'em start smackin' each other around and get rid of all that stress! Now that would be some good entertainment!

So it's okay for me to swear at my coworkers but not to the general public?

I think not. I get pretty worked up about certain work related issues and can feel pretty pissed off toward certain coworkers but I think that my boss would not tolerate abusive language.

Cheney was at work. He was abusive toward a coworker. I'm his boss -- as a public servant, he works for me -- and I don't think that his conduct was professional.

Ok, so were you upset at the last President and his little "get together" in the Oval Office? Last I checked try that at work and chances are you'd be fired.

I personally could care less that Kerry flipped off some guy or that the VP told someone to F*&^^ Off. There is bigger issues to worry about then our leaders needing soap in their mouths.

OK, I'll admit (but don't call me a neocon) that I grimaced a bit as I read the story in Friday's newspaper. While politicians are nowhere near as pure as the proverbial driven snow, Cheney should be more careful about where he uses these terms.

Having said that, I'll offer a slight defense. In one moment, Leahy is carping about those evil Halliburton contracts :rolleyes: & judicial nominations, and then in the next moment, he's posing with Cheney for a friendly picture and some chat. I think I would've offered a similar comment to the two-faced bastid Leahy myself had he pulled something like that near me.

Also, instead of making up an excuse (denying he said it, it was taken out of context, it was not aimed directly at Leahy, etc.), Cheney admitted he said it, said Leahy deserved it, and (the part I liked) said he felt better after saying it! Sometimes dropping a few "F-bombs" is perfect therapy! :D

you were OUTRAGED at Kerry's language. Just beside yourself. A massive denunciatory post. Unfit to be president etc etc. I can only assume you've had a change of heart, since Big Dick's outburst doesn't bother you.

For the record, neither Kerry's F bomb nor The Dick's bothers me. I assume we all drop it from time to time, eh? But I think we should be intellectually honest, so you should either apologize to Kerry or explain why one F bomb is just ungodly awful and one's OK.

Don't go for a bike ride, now. Answer this.

:-))

STEAM is just confirming again and again what we already knew. In his world there is no such word as hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. --La Rochefoucauld

you should have seen the Fox News panel falling all over themselves excusing Big Dick's use of the word. "it was no big deal, why's everyone making such a big thing about all this, probably every politician has used that word before". the same group who were all over john kerry a few months back for using that word in a rolling stone interview. just like steam was.

here's the hypocricy of the right. when their guy uses language like that, it's a charming character trait, shows he's a tough, down to earth real man. when someone on the left does it, it's another sign of the declining moral character of the nation, and shows how they're unfit to hold positions of leadership.

see this (http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=7269&highlight=kerry+rolling+stone) thread to see what a hypocrite steam is. amazing to see how his reaction to such things is completely different when it's john kerry or some other "libby" in the spotlight.

c'mon steam, can't wait for you to tell us how vulgar and unfit for office Big Dick is for this latest outburst. and in the hallowed halls of the senate chamber, no less. ;)

see this (http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=7269&highlight=kerry+rolling+stone) thread to see what a hypocrite steam is. amazing to see how his reaction to such things is completely different when it's john kerry or some other "libby" in the spotlight.

c'mon steam, can't wait for you to tell us how vulgar and unfit for office Big Dick is for this latest outburst. and in the hallowed halls of the senate chamber, no less. ;)
that "he is a low life who doesn't know how to control his emotions."

Direct Steam quote on Kerry's use of the F bomb.

C'mon, Steam! What's good for the goose is good for The Dick!

And Dick is still goosing his dick! :D

...and then in the next moment, he's posing with Cheney for a friendly picture and some chat.

It's politics. You gotta smile while you're twisting the knife deeper.

Kerry flipped off a civilian. Cheney told an equal where he should get off - just like DBs analogy. I think there's a difference. I would be just as disappointed of Cheney if he said that to a civilian. Besides Leahy is a jerk. Everybody knows that :O)

Kerry flipped off a civilian. Cheney told an equal where he should get off - just like DBs analogy. I think there's a difference. I would be just as disappointed of Cheney if he said that to a civilian. Besides Leahy is a jerk. Everybody knows that :O)

hypocrite.

All this on the day the Senate passed the "defense of decency act." I wonder where Cheney sits on this issue?

Just what "decency" have the democrats represented in their speech and actions for the past year? Please! They have been one disgraceful lot!

Just what "decency" have the democrats represented in their speech and actions for the past year? Please! They have been one disgraceful lot!

I calls 'em as I sees them and you by not admitting to being "caught" are being a hypocrite nothing you can say changes that.

So do I. The democrats need to be called to the mat for how they have acted the past 18 months or so. Actually since the election of '00. Outright calling Bush a liar, comparing him to Hitler and everything else vile that has been spewed from their pie holes, does not represent anything decent! Cheney finally got tired of it. He said that he is tire of Leahy making these false statements and then playing buddy-buddy after the fact. I can't blame him for that. Like I said DBs analogy was perfect. Leahy is a big bad senator, not some schlep civilian. If he can dish it he can sure as hell should be able to take it.

So do I. The democrats need to be called to the mat for how they have acted the past 18 months or so. Actually since the election of '00. Outright calling Bush a liar, comparing him to Hitler and everything else vile that has been spewed from their pie holes, does not represent anything decent! Cheney finally got tired of it. He said that he is tire of Leahy making these false statements and then playing buddy-buddy after the fact. I can't blame him for that. Like I said DBs analogy was perfect. Leahy is a big bad senator, not some schlep civilian. If he can dish it he can sure as hell should be able to take it.

Your last post = hypocrite.

What ever!

Outright calling Bush a liar, comparing him to Hitler and everything else vile that has been spewed from their pie holes, does not represent anything decent!

The FACT is, the Neo-Con's hate it when their lies are exposed for what they are. THAT'S why Phallus got mad and swore at Leahy. Just like O'Reilly gets mad at Franken for exposing his lies. They've gotten very used to getting away with so much for so long, and now that the wheels are falling off of their cart they don't have any repsonse but anger and yet more lies.

Well guess what LS? They'd better find a hole to hide in because there's much more to come. These LIARS, CRIMINALS, and TRAITORS are going to have to face their day of reckoning for what they've done - whether they like it or not.

These LIARS, CRIMINALS, and TRAITORS are going to have to face their day of reckoning for what they've done - whether they like it or not.
Interesting point. I believe at some point, liberals will and should starting using the T word against this gang of thugs. Everyone except Live Steam already knows they are liars and criminals; soon, I believe, the extent to which they are traitors will become generally known and accepted too.

One reason the Democrats need to retake Congress this year is so, on the off chance Bush-Cheney are re-elected, those two can be impeached.

Good choice of descriptors, Red, because Webster's 1913 Dictionary gives the definition:

\Thug\, n. [Hind. thag a deceiver, robber.]
One of an association of robbers and murderers in India who
practiced murder by stealthy approaches, and from religious
motives. They have been nearly exterminated by the British
government."

Especially apt is the part, "robbers and murderers...who practiced murder by stealthy approaches, and from religious
motives". Sounds like a few Neo-Con's I know of....


Losing the Congress, and especially the House of Reps., is the thing the Repubs are most afraid of, probably more so than Bush losing the Presidency as you said, because any impeachment would have to start there. By the time it was handed to the Senate for trial, Bush would most likely be counselled to step down like Nixon did.

Edit: But if their past and current behavior is anything to judge by, I wouldn't be surprised if in their unbridled arrogance the Bushies would force an impeachment trial in the Senate to the hilt. In which case, I'd love to witness their utter destruction. It would eclipse the OJ trial!

"Bring It On"!!! :D

LOL!!! Keep dreaming!

If I were you, LS, I wouldn't get too smug about it yet. The way things are looking so far, the chickens are starting to come home to roost on the Bush admin. Slowly, yes - but inexorably.

**GLOAT GLOAT**

:p

I already won a set of tires from Carbon110. Though he graciously offered to pay up, I didn't feel it was neccessary. What are you willing to bet that things won't unfold as you say? I would happily take your money, because unlike Carbon, you are a boorish dolt :O)

Ok, so were you upset at the last President and his little "get together" in the Oval Office?

Yes, I was.

I personally could care less that Kerry flipped off some guy or that the VP told someone to F*&^^ Off. There is bigger issues to worry about then our leaders needing soap in their mouths.

I see ever growing examples of the lack of civility in our culture and I am troubled by it. Individuality is great. Independance is great. You can have both without animosity. There are way too many examples of 1) "I'll do whatever I want and f*&# you if you tell me not to", and 2) "Those people shouldn't be able to do that anywhere ever." I'd rather we stive to find equitable and reasonable solutions. Please note that I said "strive" before you hop on the "idealistic ninny" bandwagon.

BTW, I'm equal opportunity as far as criticizing policy and behavior -- whether it comes from a Republicrat, Demublican or any other political faction.

So it's okay for me to swear at my coworkers but not to the general public?

I'd love to know how you got that from my statement: "I don't excuse it in the least, and he should be punished according to whatever rule exists concerning language on the floor of the Senate".

I'm his boss -- as a public servant, he works for me -- and I don't think that his conduct was professional.

I really don't see myself as a politition's boss. I certainly can't go in to D.C. and fire anyone. I only have 1 vote among many. In that respect, I'm more like a customer than a boss. Only by the collective action of enough 'customers' can a polition be 'fired'.

Would your boss treat your swearing at a co-worker the same way as swearing at a customer?