I had a heavy duty wheelset built up by Joe Young, and he recommended Dt hubs over Campy due to the sealed bearings...said they would be smoother spinning. My wheelsets are on a rack in the back of my suburban and last night I spun my Eurus and Dt front wheels and couldn't believe how much smoother the Eurus was, I know training wheels don't have to be as good as high end racing wheelsets, but this wasn't even close. The Hugi is the 340...sure doesn't seem much better than the record hubs I was using before...is Joe just blowing smoke? Anyone believe Hugi is better than Record?

I had a heavy duty wheelset built up by Joe Young, and he recommended Dt hubs over Campy due to the sealed bearings...said they would be smoother spinning. My wheelsets are on a rack in the back of my suburban and last night I spun my Eurus and Dt front wheels and couldn't believe how much smoother the Eurus was, I know training wheels don't have to be as good as high end racing wheelsets, but this wasn't even close. The Hugi is the 340...sure doesn't seem much better than the record hubs I was using before...is Joe just blowing smoke? Anyone believe Hugi is better than Record?

In terms of "quality of roll" you will be hard pressed to do better than Campy Record. There are hubs that are better for heavy duty (Phil Wood) and hubs that could be argued to be comparable, but better? Not likely.

As to your experience, what do you mean by "smoother"? Do you mean roughness that you could feel through your fingers, or do you just mean "spins longer"? If it was roughness, then you need to consider doing some maintenance on the DT hubs. If it was "spins longer" then you just have to accept that the contact seals on the DT hubs are higher friction. BTW, Record hubs are sealed too, just not wiped seals. They use labyrinth seals, which are lower friction but very effective.

Anyone believe Hugi is better than Record?

I don't. DT makes some lighter hubs, but Records aren't pigs... plus loose ball cup&cone bearings have inherently less drag under load. It isn't a lot, but still... You can't tell this from spinning them in your hands... all you get then is seal and preload drag.

When I lived in Hawaii (wet, humid, salty, muddy), the owner of the local shop told me that DT hubs didn't hold up in that environment. He would only recommend Shimano, Campy, and King hubs.

Kerry - thanks for your input. yes I meant "spins longer". I think I want to go back to my record/open pro 32's for my training/townie wheelset. BTW- are the record hubs as good as the hubs used on Eurus wheels?

Thanks again,
Mark.

I had a heavy duty wheelset built up by Joe Young, and he recommended Dt hubs over Campy due to the sealed bearings...said they would be smoother spinning. My wheelsets are on a rack in the back of my suburban and last night I spun my Eurus and Dt front wheels and couldn't believe how much smoother the Eurus was, I know training wheels don't have to be as good as high end racing wheelsets, but this wasn't even close. The Hugi is the 340...sure doesn't seem much better than the record hubs I was using before...is Joe just blowing smoke? Anyone believe Hugi is better than Record?

I'm one whoe doesn't think DT are better Campy.

- Like DT, Campy also uses cartridge bearings - but only in their lower quality hubs (Centaur and below). Campy uses cup and cone bearings in their Record hubs (a superior design to the radial catridge bearings in DT hubs). And don't get caught up on the word "sealed". Any type of bearing (cup and cone, radial cartridge, etc.) can have a seal, but some seals are better than others. Campy seals have been demonstrated to be quite good.

- Campy uses wider flange spacing than DT - Campy flange spacing is 16.0R/37.0L, vs. 16.9R/33.3L on DT 340 hubs (data from DT spoke calculator). The Campy hub will build into a wheel with greater lateral strength and stiffness.

- Campy Record hubs are lighter than DT 340 hubs by almost a quarter pound.

I agree with everyone else that the Record hubs are better then Dt 340's and even 240's. The new Record hubs weigh 110g for the front and 230g for the rear, Dt 240's are 115 and 220g, so Record is only 5 grams heavier. Like Mark said the Record hubs will also build into a laterally stiffer wheel then the 340's.

Only about two seasons on each, but...
I had to have my DT 240 hubs disassembled and cleaned by Mike Garcia due to grit in the seals. (He was kind enough to do it during a rebuild after a crash.) Granted, these have been on my rain bike.
My Record hubs have been trouble free.

Kerry - thanks for your input. yes I meant "spins longer". I think I want to go back to my record/open pro 32's for my training/townie wheelset. BTW- are the record hubs as good as the hubs used on Eurus wheels?

Thanks again,
Mark.

I'm not 100% about the new eurus but the previous style used record "level" hubs. Basically record internals in a modified hub.

I've ridden Record hubs and now ride the new Centaur hubs. I've been very impressed with both pairs. What no one has mentioned is that the Campy hubs are cheaper than DT 240s, always a consideration! From as aesthetics point-of-view, many prefer the sound of a Campy freehub to that of a DT.