View Full Version : Does Obama have problems with ethics?


spyderman
03-08-2007, 12:46 PM
$375 in unpaid parking tickets from his days at Harvard going back to 1998.

He's under the microscope...

MR_GRUMPY
03-08-2007, 01:01 PM
This just goes to show that he hates America and the flag......Remember....never trust a "funny" looking guy.....(with a "funny" sounding name)
I wonder what Coulter will say about this????

the_rydster
03-08-2007, 01:25 PM
Doesn't help that he attended a madrassa.

Bocephus Jones II
03-08-2007, 01:28 PM
$375 in unpaid parking tickets from his days at Harvard going back to 1998.

He's under the microscope...
BFD...as a student I racked up a ton of parking tickets also. It's very common when you have to park on the street a lot.

spyderman
03-08-2007, 01:34 PM
BFD...as a student I racked up a ton of parking tickets also. It's very common when you have to park on the street a lot.

Hey, I'm just sayin' he's under the microscope.

But, we do need to pay attention to things like how many times someone was convicted of DWI and such.

Just like we need to pay attention to reasons why someone won't apologize and admit they made a mistake voting for a needless war cause they were lied to...

Lord knows we don't need another GWB. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Bocephus Jones II
03-08-2007, 01:41 PM
Hey, I'm just sayin' he's under the microscope.

But, we do need to pay attention to things like how many times someone was convicted of DWI and such.

Just like we need to pay attention to reasons why someone won't apologize and admit they made a mistake voting for a needless war cause they were lied to...

Lord knows we don't need another GWB. :eek: :eek: :eek:
The GOP smear machine is certainly viewing him as a viable candidate from all the energy they are putting into it--from smoking, his unorthodox name, the madrassa school and now this. What's next? A video of him snorting coke at a college kegger?

Live Steam
03-08-2007, 01:42 PM
The Clinton smear campaign is in high gear. First it's his shady stock deals and now this. The dems will be chewing on each others legs for the next two years. This should be fun :)

Live Steam
03-08-2007, 01:45 PM
Um, you have the wrong people. It's the Clintons and their minions doing the smearing.

the_rydster
03-08-2007, 01:45 PM
Obama has not a hope in hell of becoming president, not only does he have this kind of thing for the right wingers to exploit, he is not black enough for blacks, and he is in reality nothing but a blank canvas for the liberals to project onto given that he has done nothing of any real note, except give charismatic speaches.

Bocephus Jones II
03-08-2007, 01:49 PM
Obama has not a hope in hell of becoming president, not only does he have this kind of thing for the right wingers to exploit, he is not black enough for blacks, and he is in reality nothing but a blank canvas for the liberals to project onto given that he has done nothing of any real note, except give charismatic speaches.

Hey at least he can give a speech--more than you can say for GW.

bigbill
03-08-2007, 01:54 PM
He wants to be the next president. It doesn't matter who does the smearing, it will happen anyway. If pointing out unpaid parking tickets is a smear, it is a pretty easy one. There are tickets and they are unpaid, done. To me a smear is a he said/she said, can't really confirm it, but it might be true kind of story to "smear" a candidate. I don't have any unpaid tickets, but then again I am not running for president. yet.

the_rydster
03-08-2007, 01:56 PM
Hey at least he can give a speech--more than you can say for GW.

So can Alec Baldwin.

Would you want him as President?

//sorry actually that was stupid as most liberals on here have eulogised him as an Anti-Bush martyr.

bahueh
03-08-2007, 01:57 PM
Hey at least he can give a speech--more than you can say for GW.


of that Letterman sketch..."Great Speeches by American Presidents"...

FDR: "The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself"

JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

GWB: "The best way to defeat the totalitarian of hate is with an ideology of hope -- an ideology of hate -- excuse me --with an ideology of hope."

rocco
03-08-2007, 02:05 PM
he is not black enough for blacks


You must be behind on the news about what's going on over here in Uh-merica because Obama has in fact pulled ahead of Clinton in polling of blacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022701030_pf.html

-- There's a rumor being passed around here via PMs that you also attended a madrassa.

rocco
03-08-2007, 02:09 PM
It's probably a safe bet that they've been paid for.

Live Steam
03-08-2007, 02:14 PM
So when do you plan on running? I'd listen to what you have to say ;)

Well they, as you said, were unpaid tickets. That is fact. The funny thing about them is they not only went unpaid for all of this time, they were then mysteriously paid this past January by a credit card. The identity of the cardholder was not released by the town. I guess his campaign is in full cleanup mode; checking every nook to see what he left in his wake.

Hillarity has a force of secret investigators digging into the lives of every candidate and anyone they know. Remember, she had those FBI files for a long time. I am sure she took copious notes. Things will get real interestin' in the next few years.

Live Steam
03-08-2007, 02:16 PM
Thay have been. That's how the press knew about their existence. Well either that or Hillarity's task force found out :)

spyderman
03-08-2007, 02:25 PM
It's probably a safe bet that they've been paid for.

Well, the parking tickets have actually have been paid, but I believe they were paid just before he announced his candidacy.

That would make about 9 yrs and an intent not to pay, which leads to a valid question of his ethics.

nate
03-08-2007, 03:32 PM
Doesn't help that he attended a madrassa.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jan24/0,4670,Obama2008,00.html

Bocephus Jones II
03-08-2007, 03:45 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jan24/0,4670,Obama2008,00.html
Rydster only gets his news from Newsmax.:rolleyes:

Interesting to see the different spin from Fox and CNN...in the CNN story the original story is debunked. In the Fox version Obama denies it--they don't flat out say the story was false. Tricksy they is.

rocco
03-08-2007, 04:25 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jan24/0,4670,Obama2008,00.html

It's Rydster's favorite falsehood to parrot about Obama whenever the opportunity presents itself. Just watch and see how whenever there’s another thread about Obama his first reply in that thread will phrase the same claim exactly the same way. I’ve heard a rumor that Rydster actually has string that comes out his backside and RS comes out of him whenever one pulls it.

undies
03-08-2007, 04:38 PM
That would make about 9 yrs and an intent not to pay, which leads to a valid question of his ethics.Awesome, a lecture on ethics from a Clinton supporter. What's next? Singing lessons from Cheney? :rolleyes:

You're going to have to do better than parking tickets that were paid nine years late. Heck, I still have unpaid parking tickets from the '80s :p

rocco
03-08-2007, 04:49 PM
Awesome, a lecture on ethics from a Clinton supporter. What's next? Singing lessons from Cheney? :rolleyes:

You're going to have to do better than parking tickets that were paid nine years late. Heck, I still have unpaid parking tickets from the '80s :p


I got a $120.00 parking ticket from the City of Chicago while my car was parked in a private/pay parking lot (yes I paid to park it there) the day before we and the car moved out of Chicago and the state of Illinois for good. ...let's just say thank Dog I'll never run for president and leave it at that. :)

undies
03-08-2007, 04:57 PM
I used to live in Port Hueneme, CA and they (along with next-door Oxnard) had a real racket going. They did street sweeping about 2-3 times per week, and there was a matrix of times when you could and could not park on the east or west side of odd or even streets. Very confusing, and tickets were just plain inevitable. Why does a town need to street sweep so often? They don't. Just totally ridiculous. Anyway... fortunately I was in the Navy and had out-of-state registered vehicles, and this was back in the day before states talked to each other about this kind of stuff. BS parking tickets went straight in the trash :thumbsup:

harlond
03-08-2007, 05:26 PM
So can Alec Baldwin.

Would you want him as President?

//sorry actually that was stupid as most liberals on here have eulogised him as an Anti-Bush martyr.He could never be worse than the incompetent fool we have.

//sorry actually that was stupid as most conservatives on here worship his every malapropism.

-------------------------
A little better from this angle, but still no good.

rocco
03-08-2007, 05:31 PM
I used to live in Port Hueneme, CA and they (along with next-door Oxnard) had a real racket going. They did street sweeping about 2-3 times per week, and there was a matrix of times when you could and could not park on the east or west side of odd or even streets. Very confusing, and tickets were just plain inevitable. Why does a town need to street sweep so often? They don't. Just totally ridiculous. Anyway... fortunately I was in the Navy and had out-of-state registered vehicles, and this was back in the day before states talked to each other about this kind of stuff. BS parking tickets went straight in the trash :thumbsup:


When I lived in Chicago they didn't have permanent signs for weekly street cleaning. Every week city Streets & Sanitation Dept. employees were paid to go out and hang temporary signs less than 24 hrs before the street would supposedly be cleaned then go out and take them down again at the end of the day. These jagg-offs as some say in Chicago would do things like wrapping them around 3” Dia. saplings by the curb so you wouldn’t see them when you come home at night. They also would tie them around security bars on basement windows that were 15’ away from the curb and they would even put just one up along an entire city block that was in Spanish only. Sure enough tickets would be issued at the crack of dawn but half the time the street didn’t get cleaned. Chicago is the land of BS parking tickets and Dog help you if they towed your car away but that's another story completely.

Snakebit
03-08-2007, 05:57 PM
No, his problem isn't ethics, well, in a way I guess it is. His problem is Hillary and the Clinton political machine.

the_rydster
03-08-2007, 06:21 PM
It's Rydster's favorite falsehood to parrot about Obama whenever the opportunity presents itself. Just watch and see how whenever there’s another thread about Obama his first reply in that thread will phrase the same claim exactly the same way. I’ve heard a rumor that Rydster actually has string that comes out his backside and RS comes out of him whenever one pulls it.

I can see this half truth about the madrassa make you angry........interesting.

spyderman
03-09-2007, 09:20 AM
I can see this half truth about the madrassa make you angry........interesting.

What's sad is that you'll believe anything that will advance the neocons, regardless if it's an outright lie, and discount actual facts that prove how corrupt the neocons are. :crazy:

rocco
03-09-2007, 09:43 AM
I can see this half truth about the madrassa make you angry........interesting.


You give yourself way too much credit as usual. What it says about your ego is what is actually interesting.

LiteSpeeder
03-09-2007, 10:03 AM
B. Hussein Obama has actively pursued and locked up the Hollywood money, and this says more about his ethics or lack of ethics than unpaid parking tickets do. This guy showed no remorse when he admitted to taking crack which is a drug that has destroyed thousands of lives especially in inner city black communities. His sole claim to fame is that he hasn't spent a lot of time in Washington as his opponents have. In other words, his lack of experience is what supposedly makes him more qualified than his opponents.

B. Hussein Obama may be a lot of things but ethical is not a word that I would use to describe him. Jesse Jackson, for all his shortcomings, could at least rhyme his pointless phrases. This guy can't even do that.

:aureola:

undies
03-09-2007, 10:53 AM
B. Hussein Obama...I know what you guys are trying to do. You're trying to create a negative vibe around Obama with the constant mentioning of the madrassa buloney, and his unfortunate middle name. But it's a fairly blatant and shameless smear attempt, and most of us know it.

If you have legit criticisms of Obama, fine. Just know that no one is going to take you seriously if this is how you're going to start your posts.

dr hoo
03-09-2007, 10:59 AM
This guy showed no remorse when he admitted to taking crack which is a drug that has destroyed thousands of lives especially in inner city black communities.


When did he admit to using crack? Cocaine, yes, but not in crack form unless I am mistaken. And he DEFINITELY said it was a mistake and done for stupid reasons. Have you some evidence that says otherwise? Please provide it.

As for the parking tickets, I think that shows that he HAD an ethical problem in his early 20's (BTW, 1988, not 1998). But mistakes of youth seem to be easily forgiven in this day and age.

the_rydster
03-09-2007, 11:00 AM
You give yourself way too much credit as usual. What it says about your ego is what is actually interesting.

I am just playing Devil's advocate here, I know B. Hussein Obama did not actually attend a madrassa, but the half truth it is based on will have a effect on certain voters.

undies
03-09-2007, 11:02 AM
But mistakes of youth seem to be easily forgiven in this day and age.I think there are a couple of people in the Bush administration with DUIs, if I am not mistaken.

spyderman
03-09-2007, 11:06 AM
...This guy showed no remorse when he admitted to taking crack ...

Spreading lies is the act of a despicable and desperate person.

svend
03-09-2007, 11:07 AM
When did he admit to using crack? Cocaine, yes, but not in crack form unless I am mistaken. And he DEFINITELY said it was a mistake and done for stupid reasons. Have you some evidence that says otherwise? Please provide it.

As for the parking tickets, I think that shows that he HAD an ethical problem in his early 20's (BTW, 1988, not 1998). But mistakes of youth seem to be easily forgiven in this day and age.


Funny, GW Shrub was quite a coke head and an alcoholic to boot at one time, seems the Cons would see what they liked in shrub.....

svend
03-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Spreading lies is the act of a despicable and desperate person.

c'mon speedracer here uses facts just like his heros Shrub and Cheney.....in fact, there is a
rumor that Cons are trying to change the definition of fact, just like they're trying to change the def of science.....that way they can lie with impunity

LiteSpeeder
03-09-2007, 11:13 AM
When did he admit to using crack? Cocaine, yes, but not in crack form unless I am mistaken. And he DEFINITELY said it was a mistake and done for stupid reasons. Have you some evidence that says otherwise? Please provide it.

As for the parking tickets, I think that shows that he HAD an ethical problem in his early 20's (BTW, 1988, not 1998). But mistakes of youth seem to be easily forgiven in this day and age.

I thought that crack was a form of cocaine. Both are illegal drugs that are similar or the same in substance. If there is a difference then fine, I made a mistake. But the point is that he used illegal drugs and IMO that demonstrates a huge lack of judgement. Parking tickets can be forgiven. The area around Harvard is a nightmare when it comes to parking, But, the use of a potent illegal substance such as crack or cocaine is not "easily forgiven". It will come back to haunt him if he is still in the race in 2008.

:aureola:

rocco
03-09-2007, 11:13 AM
I know what you guys are trying to do. You're trying to create a negative vibe around Obama with the constant mentioning of the madrassa buloney, and his unfortunate middle name. But it's a fairly blatant and shameless smear attempt, and most of us know it.

If you have legit criticisms of Obama, fine. Just know that no one is going to take you seriously if this is how you're going to start your posts.



Oh No, Say It Ain't So! ...I thought they were just playing Devil's advocate here and pointing to the half-truths and out right lies that certain voters believe. :rolleyes:

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=967137&postcount=1

LiteSpeeder
03-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Spreading lies is the act of a despicable and desperate person.


I am not intentionally spreading lies. Dr hoo corrected me by pointing out that it was cocaine and not crack. Whatever. The fact is that B. Hussein Obama has admitted to using a very potent illegal drug (crack, cocaine or whatever you want to call it) and I haven't seen any remorse from him. If he has shown remorse then it hasn't been well advertised by the media or press. IMO, he should come out and talk about the evils of illegal drugs and the devastating effects that they have had on inner city neighborhoods. But, he hasn't done that, has he?

:(

LiteSpeeder
03-09-2007, 11:26 AM
Funny, GW Shrub was quite a coke head and an alcoholic to boot at one time, seems the Cons would see what they liked in shrub.....


W liked to drink in his younger days and then he quit. Alcohol is a legal drug the last time I checked. A "coke head", I don't think so. What evidence do you have that he ever used illegal drugs? W has never admitted to using illegal drugs. It's all liberal speculation if there is no evidence.

:rolleyes:

svend
03-09-2007, 11:33 AM
W liked to drink in his younger days and then he quit. Alcohol is a legal drug the last time I checked. A "coke head", I don't think so. What evidence do you have that he ever used illegal drugs? W has never admitted to using illegal drugs. It's all liberal speculation if there is no evidence.

:rolleyes:

yeah right....denial ain't just a river there in egypt, skippy......it's ok tho, head buried in the sand is SOP for fanatics....

rocco
03-09-2007, 11:37 AM
As of August, 1999 Bush would only say he had not done drugs in the past 15 years.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1057331

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1999/08/23/bush.html

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1143/a08.html?4588

Live Steam
03-09-2007, 11:42 AM
He may have ethical problems now too. I like him. But he may not be much different than any of the rest in this area of his life. It seems there are some questionable stock deals he needs to answer more questions about. He seems to have an explaination for them, but it just seems too convenient to call it a coincidence that his 'blind trust' invested in biomed companies that would benefit from legislation he was involved in.

dewaday
03-09-2007, 11:42 AM
What evidence do you have that he ever used illegal drugs?
Yer kiddin' rt?

dr hoo
03-09-2007, 12:07 PM
He may have ethical problems now too. I like him. But he may not be much different than any of the rest in this area of his life. It seems there are some questionable stock deals he needs to answer more questions about. He seems to have an explaination for them, but it just seems too convenient to call it a coincidence that his 'blind trust' invested in biomed companies that would benefit from legislation he was involved in.

So, explain how his having his broker buy that stock without his knowledge, and having his broker sell the stock when he found out about it, and LOSING money on the deal taints him ethically? I would like to hear your reasoning.

dr hoo
03-09-2007, 12:10 PM
I am not intentionally spreading lies. Dr hoo corrected me by pointing out that it was cocaine and not crack. Whatever.

Cocaine was snorted by rich and hip people in the 80's, it was a drug of choice for many upper class people in that decade.

Crack is a drug of poverty. It conjures up street deals and lowlife situations, not tailored suits on wall street.

Both are cocaine, but your "mistake" seems part and parcel of your M.O.

Live Steam
03-09-2007, 12:13 PM
They are obscure stocks with very little float. Again, I am sure it was just a coincidence :rolleyes:

bahueh
03-09-2007, 03:49 PM
I am not intentionally spreading lies. Dr hoo corrected me by pointing out that it was cocaine and not crack. Whatever. The fact is that B. Hussein Obama has admitted to using a very potent illegal drug (crack, cocaine or whatever you want to call it) and I haven't seen any remorse from him. If he has shown remorse then it hasn't been well advertised by the media or press. IMO, he should come out and talk about the evils of illegal drugs and the devastating effects that they have had on inner city neighborhoods. But, he hasn't done that, has he?

:(


walk around with publicly noticeable 'remorse' for every bad thing you've done in your life?
man, you must be a total sad sack.
:confused: