View Full Version : Was The Bible's Jesus based on a pagan god?


Bocephus Jones II
05-23-2007, 07:58 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Mysteries

Those Christians seem to steal everything from the pagans.



Osiris-Dionysus is God made flesh, the savior and "Son of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God)."
His father is God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father) and his mother is a mortal virgin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary%2C_mother_of_Jesus).
He is born (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus) in a cave or humble cowshed on December 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_25) before three shepherds.
He offers his followers the chance to be born again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again) through the rites of baptism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism).
He miraculously turns water into wine at a marriage ceremony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_at_Cana).
He rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while people wave palm leaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday) to honor him.
He dies at Eastertime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter) as a sacrifice for the sins of the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propitiation).
After his death he descends to hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell), then on the third day he rises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus) from the dead and ascends to heaven in glory.
His followers await his return (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming) as the judge during the Last Days.
His death and resurrection are celebrated by a ritual meal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist) of bread and wine, which symbolize his body and blood.<sup class="reference" id="_ref-0">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Mysteries#_note-0)</sup>
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MR_GRUMPY
05-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Having a god getting down and dirty with a mortal is quite common in religions throughout history. The son of such coupling unually turns up with godlike powers.
This hybrid of god/human often tries to save humanity.

Turtleherder
05-23-2007, 08:27 AM
I always felt sorry for baby Jesus. Think about the crap he must have heard everyday and how it affected him.

Mary turns to Joseph and says "I'm pregnant". Joseph, with a look of astonishment says " how the hell did that happen, we haven't even got busy yet!" Mary's response is "God did it". So from then on, all through Jesus' upbringing, Joseph would keep bringing up the kids alleged paternity. "Let God change his diaper". "When's God going to come through with some child support?" "Maybe God should take him to little league practice" Joseph would have been relentless. And Mary, Mary would have to keep up the story or risk telling the truth. Just think how you would have turned out if everyday you were told that story about being the son of God just so mom wouldn't have to admit she had been fooling around. Sorry, that's no way to raise a kid.

atpjunkie
05-23-2007, 08:50 AM
in the bible was added during the Greek translation (common theme in Greek mythology)

Aramaic text refers to Mary only as Alma (young girl)

Christian's will argue young girl = virgin but it doth not

yes the God Moses brought from Egypt was Aten

Bocephus Jones II
05-23-2007, 08:50 AM
I always felt sorry for baby Jesus. Think about the crap he must have heard everyday and how it affected him.

Mary turns to Joseph and says "I'm pregnant". Joseph, with a look of astonishment says " how the hell did that happen, we haven't even got busy yet!" Mary's response is "God did it". So from then on, all through Jesus' upbringing, Joseph would keep bringing up the kids alleged paternity. "Let God change his diaper". "When's God going to come through with some child support?" "Maybe God should take him to little league practice" Joseph would have been relentless. And Mary, Mary would have to keep up the story or risk telling the truth. Just think how you would have turned out if everyday you were told that story about being the son of God just so mom wouldn't have to admit she had been fooling around. Sorry, that's no way to raise a kid.

Joseph was a putz. I don't care how religious you are--if your wife told you the new kid was the product of the holy spirit I'm pretty sure most would not buy it. Even if they got over that can you imagine explaining it to the neighbors?

Turtleherder
05-23-2007, 08:55 AM
Joseph was a putz. I don't care how religious you are--if your wife told you the new kid was the product of the holy spirit I'm pretty sure most would not buy it. Even if they got over that can you imagine explaining it to the neighbors?


As I understand it during that period of time it was a pretty common excuse for "unexplained" pregnancies. Jesus wasn't the first or last who's mother claimed that God done the dirty deed.

MikeBiker
05-23-2007, 10:17 AM
Virgin births still happen (http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2574144.ece).

Turtleherder
05-23-2007, 11:34 AM
Virgin births still happen (http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2574144.ece).

So God's out doing a little splash and tickle with the sharks?

Well, that story presents an interesting dilemma for the religious right. The far right, in voicing opposition to same sex marriage, has offered that it presented a slippery slope and pondered whether people would then want to then make it legal to marry animals.

If it's good enough for God to then why isn't it good enough for us?

Live Steam
05-23-2007, 02:20 PM
You're going to hell for this :)

Bocephus Jones II
05-23-2007, 02:51 PM
You're going to hell for this :)

For this? I thought I was going to hell a long time ago.

Live Steam
05-23-2007, 03:08 PM
Well my response was for Turtle, but if the shoe fits :) I'll probably be sitting right next to you. You know, the company you keep and all :)

Turtleherder
05-23-2007, 05:02 PM
Well my response was for Turtle, but if the shoe fits :) I'll probably be sitting right next to you. You know, the company you keep and all :)

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun. Ack, I just quoted Billie Joel. :blush2:

Live Steam
05-23-2007, 07:46 PM
I didn't know he had a sister :) I spell my name with a "y".