Have a nice 5 years of playing catch up everybody.

By American hands from American carbon fiber. Trek has always, does now, and will always make their high-end Tour-Killers in the USA!

disclaimer...medical assistance programs may be outsourced to Spain.

But back to the bike ... looks nice. A little bit like an Orbea. I like the colors.

And...?

Only problem is it's a Trek.

Looks like a nice bike. Guess it depends on the rider if it's any better than a Giant or Specialized.

I guess you missed the part in the book where the guy holding the book said "It's not about the bike" - oh yea, it's the title :D

I guess you missed the part in the book where the guy holding the book said "It's not about the bike" - oh yea, it's the title :D[/QUOTE]

It was about his battle with cancer and his divorce.

I guess you missed the part in the book where the guy holding the book said "It's not about the bike" - oh yea, it's the title :D

It was about his battle with cancer and his divorce.[/QUOTE]

It nice looking but it looks close enough to all the other high end racing bikes in the price range (i.e. Giant ISP, Look 595, Scott Addict, Cervelo Soloist Carbon, or Specialized S-Works Tarmac) to me. Doubt its any ahead or behind the curve.

By the way, you should get your eyes checked out. He's holding a microphone and a bike in the picture, but he's not holding any books.

Yea, but it's not about the bike. Not that I really care, but what do you have against Speicialized and Giant? Obviously for you it is about the bike and not what you do with it. Most around here like to see nice rides, but could really care less what you think sucks. I really doubt that it will take 5 years for everybody to catch up either.

Have run with your new ride, if it is in fact yours.

Catch up to what? Looks like a zillion other CF bikes out there. Since every major manufacturer of bikes can build a bike that meets the minimum UCI weight requirements I can't see how it would have any advantage. Stiffness, ride, components, everything else is also matched. How is it better than it's competition? How is it 5 years better? Maybe it will take other manufacturers five years to catch up in price? Is that your point?

Let's see. Joined in May 2007 and has 11 posts.

I smell a troll.

But, back to the more important stuff, I gotta say, that's the prettiest bike trek has made since they stopped making lugged steel frames. It's the first carbon trek I've felt a twinge of lust for since they canned the y-foil...

It's nice to see bike designers starting to understand that flowing shapes look better with flowing paintjobs..

Have a nice 5 years of playing catch up everybody.

Um not to nit-pick here, but that frame seems to have more than a few influences. The IST design looks a lot like the one on the Ridley Noah (same externally adjustable collar). The fork and compact geometry style seem a nod to Giant. And the large stem screams Zipp, or it's a copy in the style of Specialized's BarMac. Not to say it isn't a nice looking bike (although personally I'm not a fan), but I don't think that anyone's going to be playing catch-up with this bike.

But, back to the more important stuff, I gotta say, that's the prettiest bike trek has made since they stopped making lugged steel frames. It's the first carbon trek I've felt a twinge of lust for since they canned the y-foil...

It's nice to see bike designers starting to understand that flowing shapes look better with flowing paintjobs..

No way is it the prettiest TREK, or at least that's why my daughter would claim. It doesn't have any pink and purple flowers ! :D She even has the matching helmet - which was mandatory. Good thing Santa realized that!
89514

I have no idea what I'm feasting my eyes upon. But I'm sure it's great!

graphics look great... but there's more! http://www2.trekbikes.com/madone/technology/efficiency/

http://www2.trekbikes.com/madone/technology/strength/

http://www2.trekbikes.com/madone/technology/integration/

yawn.

Awwwwwwwwwww...

Just don't let her grow up to be like Lance- the last thing you want is for your daughter to hang out with Matthew McConahey...

Integrated bottom bracket?!?!?!?!

I'm sure it test fime, but man, that just seems like a bad idea to me... of course, I'm still leary of cartridge BBs, so I'm probably just being an alarmist.

if anyone is going to do a decent bb, i trust Trek to do it best. OCLV is as bombproof as carbon can get.

check out the seat-cap. smart design.

I love the return to white tape and saddles, despite the fact that it's impossible to keep clean... (got some on my vintage colnago) it's classic and, I don't know, it always looked lighter to me.

Think shimano will ever release white (or gum) hoods for their brake/shifters? 'Cause that would be super groovy.

Have a nice 5 years of playing catch up everybody.


It might be a nice bike for the top riders who get them free from Trek. The rest of the thousands of people that will buy them are suckers for marketing.

IMHO, its the bestest paint scheme treck has ever pulled off. It's not original, but certainly a sweet sweet rig. If that's what you just got, congratulations! i'm sure you love it!
My oclv frameset served me well for 8 years!
I agree that its great that its made in the USA, but too bad its from Wisconsin!!!

out of curiosity, did you try the newest Lemond bike that's advertized like crazy?

SRAM is making white hoods, and Campy used to, way back in the day. i wish at least Campy would consider white hoods again. After Memorial Day, and before Labor Day, of course!

Catch up to what? Looks like a zillion other CF bikes out there. Since every major manufacturer of bikes can build a bike that meets the minimum UCI weight requirements I can't see how it would have any advantage. Stiffness, ride, components, everything else is also matched. How is it better than it's competition? How is it 5 years better? Maybe it will take other manufacturers five years to catch up in price? Is that your point?

Let's see. Joined in May 2007 and has 11 posts.

I smell a troll.


I don't even know what a troll is. Are you a Lord of the Rings weirdo?

Funny how they left out where it is made.

Wonder why that is.

was that american carbon fiber bought from china? I'll stick with my swell Time thanks.

i thought cannonball had the only us carbon made bike. pretty sure anyway. trek, giant, and every other frame comes out of literally the same asian factory.
except for scott. they are still ahead of the game.
but they too use to produce frames in that same joint until they got sick of the copies....

i thought cannonball had the only us carbon made bike. pretty sure anyway. trek, giant, and every other frame comes out of literally the same asian factory.
except for scott. they are still ahead of the game.
but they too use to produce frames in that same joint until they got sick of the copies....


All Trek OCLV is made in Wisconsin.

Yep, I am not impressed by it at all. Even less so since it has LA in the pic. Trek is great at marketing, and that might be about it. Honestly, I think the bike looks a lot like the new Orbea Orca.

Trek refused to switch to integrated headsets...now they have done that and they are going to try integrated bottom brackets? That seems a little bit hypocritcal to me. I still like the Taiwanese making my bikes. They have smaller hands, so they can concentrate on the detail work better.

Brian
TheRoadBike.com (http://www.theroadbike.com)

Here is a link to the full brochure

http://www2.trekbikes.com/madone/make_history/2008-Trek-Madone-Brochure.pdf

Lance is flexing pretty hard to hold that thing up with one hand. :p

It's a pretty nice looking bike though.

I think it looks a lot like an 2007 Orbea Orca frame.

Ok, so I looked more closely. Nice bike. I'm impressed.

It's sad that lame posts like the OP have to detract from the bike. I imagine people would be more inclined to receive the bike with more enthusiasm without the 10 year old rah-rah garbage from the OP.

If they wanna keep being "America's team" Disco should switch to SRAM. :)

1. It is a nice looking Trek, one that finally doesn't scream, "yawn!"

2. OCLV ain't nothing special. It certainly hasn't redefined CF.

3. It's really hard to see how this is a revolutionary bike that will leave everyone else lagging 5 years behind, especially given how close performance is among bikes.

4. Last time I checked, just because it resembles some other bike doesn't mean it was made in that same place. At the same time, I could care less if it's made in the US.

5. Integrated BB's aren't new. Other's have been playing with them for the last year.

6. I'll have a Parlee or a Look 595, thanks.

Ok, so I looked more closely. Nice bike. I'm impressed.

It's sad that lame posts like the OP have to detract from the bike. I imagine people would be more inclined to receive the bike with more enthusiasm without the 10 year old rah-rah garbage from the OP.


- No joking! It's just a bike..... And in actuality, Trek is just catching up in terms of technology and that's a good thing. It helps keep the other makers on their toes. :thumbsup:

If they wanna keep being "America's team" Disco should switch to SRAM. :)

at least 5 major changes:

1.) Integrated BB
2.) Integrated Headset
3.) Integrated seatpost
4.) Performance Geometry with the HT extension
5.) Compact geometry

I wonder if it still has that legendary Trek "Wooden" road feel? :thumbsup: :blush2: :D :p :p :rolleyes:

All kidding aside, it's quite a dramatic change without a significant differentiated (from the competition) aestetic advantage....couple this with the post Lance lack of significant Discovery team results & Trek is taking quite the risk...although I suspect they feel they have no other choice.

I hope it works out for them.

Len

at least 5 major changes:

1.) Integrated BB
2.) Integrated Headset
3.) Integrated seatpost
4.) Performance Geometry with the HT extension
5.) Compact geometry

I wonder if it still has that legendary Trek "Wooden" road feel? :thumbsup: :blush2: :D :p :p :rolleyes:

All kidding aside, it's quite a dramatic change without a significant differentiated (from the competition) aestetic advantage....couple this with the post Lance lack of significant Discovery team results & Trek is taking quite the risk...although I suspect they feel they have no other choice.

I hope it works out for them.

Len

another ugly CF Trek...one of a billion......whoopee:rolleyes: and I agree with the poster who said it looks like an Orbea...wonder if there's a copyright infringement???:eek:

another ugly CF Trek...one of a billion......whoopee:rolleyes: and I agree with the poster who said it looks like an Orbea...wonder if there's a copyright infringement???:eek:
It's nice they've gotten out of the silver/blue color rut though.

I get about as excited about Treks as I do about Toyota Camrys.

Who's the sad looking git holding what looks like a popsicle? Besides from a crappy looking bike I mean? :rolleyes:

I applaud their bravery to try new things, but WHY did they make it look like a Giant OCR? Bleagh.

KS

Meh .

I'm ambivalent about the bike itself. I didn't like the OCLV frames, from a looks or a ride quality standpoint, but have a ton of friends that do very well on them and wouldn't trade them for the world.

I really fail to see how this is going to have to cause the industry to play catch up for any amount of time

The part of this that I really like is Lance rolling out the bike for Trek. A few years ago when Lance was presented with a sloping TT bike, he said that he "wouldn't ride a girls bike." Hence, Trek gives up on it, and has no sloping TT bikes in their line-up at a time when sloping TT's and integrated seatposts are selling. I've heard rumblings that Trek road bike sales have been pretty poor since Lance retired.

I'm just enjoying the irony of the guy that caused Trek to play catch up presenting the bike he killed, maybe he's gotten in touch with his feminine side since retiring.

godot just crashed the Trek party.:p

I find it strange that they made that fancy website to tout how wonderful this new frame & fork is.

And yet they don't list the geometry anywhere. Does that say anything about who they're marketing too? It's awfully hard for me to get excited about a bike if I can't even have any idea of whether it would fit.

The one Lance is holding makes me think Trek still lost the headtubes during construction and/or is still doing the "super long TT, short seat/head tube" thing. The pictures on the website make it look like they might have come up with a more sane geometry setup.

Looks like they've jumped on the whole "everything integrated, everything disposable" bandwagon. Though their seat mast design does seem better then the previous ones.

I'm just enjoying the irony of the guy that caused Trek to play catch up presenting the bike he killed, maybe he's gotten in touch with his feminine side since retiring.

+1 - Astute comment.
Seems like Trek is catching up with other manufacturers from a marketing standpoint and using Lance to make it seem better/faster/race worthy.
Not having a carbon bike with sloping geometry cost them how much?
Wonder what they are paying Lance to help them push this product?

So what is it? The Trek "if I were still riding in the tour instead of retiring, I'd be riding this Lance Livestrong super dooper plastique rollasmoov" model?

Oh. It's the new Madone. Looks sweet though.

Looking at the links posted by dead flag blues, and as a relativey large/heavy rider (6'4", 220 lbs.), it seem to me that the biggest technological advance is the new bottom bracket. 90 mm wide, and uses standard Shimano (external bb), Campy (UT), and SRAM cranksets. Very nice move.

The toughest call for big and/or powerful riders who want to accelerate/climb faster is the concern that light frames/components just won't hold up to greater stresses they put on them. Trek found a way to use standard cranks yet make the frame lighter and stiffer (assuming the greater bb width does what they say it does, which makes sense)--kudos!

I think the seat mast thingy looks cool but is probably a mistake. I'd worry about wrecking a very expensive frame by adjusting the seat height.

I'm not necessarily sold on the new fork, but I suppose Trek had to come up with something after Hincappie's embarassing (and dangerous) crash due to fork failure on last year's Paris-Roubaix!

Mostly, this is going to make the guys who paid good money for Madone's in the past 5 years grind their teeth in envy . . .

I think the seat mast thingy looks cool but is probably a mistake. I'd worry about wrecking a very expensive frame by adjusting the seat height.

It's facinating that people seem to think such basic concerns haven't been raised....and addressed....by Trek engineers.

I'm not necessarily sold on the new fork, but I suppose Trek had to come up with something after Hincappie's embarassing (and dangerous) crash due to fork failure on last year's Paris-Roubaix!

That fork was crashed during the race, prior to the failure. It wasn't a design defect.

Looks like a nice bike. Guess it depends on the rider if it's any better than a Giant or Specialized.

I guess you missed the part in the book where the guy holding the book said "It's not about the bike" - oh yea, it's the title :D

Maybe it's not about the bike if you are Lance, he could win on most any bike. Most of us will seldom if ever win but, we love to ride anyway. It is a least partly about the bike. I can ride the best bike if I shell out the clams. If I want the best bike, I will probably buy the new Madone.

Those who want to show how much cash they have may buy something more expensive and in most cases inferior. Others will ride whatever has the coolest name or, is lightest, rarest, prettiest, etc. Some will ride a bike because it what their favorite pro team or rider rides forgetting that pros will mostly ride what they are given. I expect that most of the pros not riding the new Madones will wish they could be. I could be wrong but, this new Madone looks to be the benchmark for the industry going forward. It was arguable the finest bike made in 2007, and this appears to smoke the 07 Madone.

OP = troll

i thought cannonball had the only us carbon made bike. pretty sure anyway. trek, giant, and every other frame comes out of literally the same asian factory.
except for scott. they are still ahead of the game.
but they too use to produce frames in that same joint until they got sick of the copies....

Duuude! Do you pull these facts out of your butt or what? Trek has made it's OCLV carbon fiber frames in the US for years. Only in the last couple years did they outsource one carbon road bike frame to be made in Taiwan (non OCLV). That one frame, at Treks lowest carbon price point, is the one that compares most to everyone elses Asian made carbon, except that it has a lifetime warranty!! I guess that makes it too better than most. They only made that bike to hit a price point that allows people to buy a cheaper carbon bike and still be on a Trek.

I'm really surprised that there are so many misinformed or just ignorant people out there who think Trek bikes are made in the same Asian factories as the other big brands. True Trek does make many of it's lower end bikes in Asia and yes those are likely made in the same factories as other brands, but all the OCLV Carbon bikes are made in USA.

What's with the "fuselage" term? It's no longer a frame?

Is this still lug and tube design or are they now building a monocoque variant?

I'm sorry. But this frame is nauseating.

Integrated headset. Thus, no more Chris Kings for anyone. Internal headsets aren't good for the frame... and they're creaky. I like my King, it doesn't give me any crap. The same cannot be said for my Cane Creek IS-6. And the King feels good, the IS-6 is fine, but after the King, it's not the same.

Integrated bottom bracket. No more Stronglights for you. No more THM Claviculas. No more Zipp Cranksets. Know why? Because Trek thinks that their Bontrager stuff, alongside SRAM/Shimano/Campy is enough.
I run SRAM and FSA cranks right now. So it's not like I'd have to stop. But you know what? I like choices. I like the option to put on a THM, and I'll be damned if someone tells me that I can only buy from those 4 companies. Because then, if I wanna have a "matching" groupo (No Shimagnolo etc) and am running SRAM, I can either use a SRAM crank or a Bonty crank. If I'm running Shimano, I can use either a Shimano crank or a Bonty Crank.
Etc. I don't like that. Choices, please? I'll never buy a bike with a bottom bracket like that.

And finally, compact?
Yich. My LeMond is a Semi-Compact, and I don't mind it. I WOULD mind a full compact. Why? Because they are harder to put on hitch-mount racks. Because leaning against/sitting on the top tube on my traditional Litespeed is a lot nicer than the LeMond which is a lot nicer than on the Trek here.

That, and frankly I don't like the way compact looks.

And Trek- it's nice to know you can make different colors. But for god's sake, copyright infringement on Orbea ain't cool. Get some originality. You own 40% of the cycling market, how about you use some of that power to get some graphic designers :idea:

Frankly, this bike is rather disgusting to me. And I don't want it. Really, really don't want it. If you gave it to me free and told me I had to ride it, and not any of my other bikes, I'd hand it back.

That being said, the Performance Fit option is cool. I'd go for the Pro option since I love big drop, but for "normal" (sane) people, the Performance Option could very well be a godsend, and I applaud their decision to offer it. That's cool.

-estone2

if you ask any bike designer or engineer, they will tell you that nowadays some of the companies in taiwan manufacturing carbon fiber bicycle frames can do just as good of a job, if not better, than anyone else in the world, at less cost too. so why not move production to taiwan?

If you peel back that Trek sticker it says "GIANT". Frankly, there's nothing exciting or cutting edge about this Madone except the paint scheme. I think what made the prior Madones so cool was the traditional, non-sloping top tube geometry. This new relaxed geometry puts it with Giant and Specialized, among other manufacturers.

What's with the "fuselage" term? It's no longer a frame?

Is this still lug and tube design or are they now building a monocoque variant?


- It appears to be Treks take on the term "Module" used by Time & Specialized. I don't have hard-facts yet but I don't think their "Fuselage" will come with a Stem (Time) or Bar/Stem Combo (Specialized) and it certainly doesn't sound like it will come with a Crankset like Specialized's Module. You'll get their Seatmast though (obviously).

I like the bike, i daily rider is my 5.9 and my race bike is my 5.9. I think TREK will do a fine job on the frame, i would like to see a SRAM rival groupo or pick which groupo you want on which frame. But hey i cant get it all. I will buy one of these bikes, as i support an american company.

Just because everyone owns a trek doesnt mean they suck. you can allways change something on a bike to make it more unique. I ride white rims, but hey lets bash it and say it sucks and we dont like where there going, or i want options beside fsa campy shimano sram for a crank. They all spin the same.

disclaimer...medical assistance programs may be outsourced to Spain.

But back to the bike ... looks nice. A little bit like an Orbea. I like the colors.

It does look nice. It might look really nice in Orange, no?

M It was arguable the finest bike made in 2007, and this appears to smoke the 07 Madone.

Oh? Exactly, how is this so?

Looking at the links posted by dead flag blues, and as a relativey large/heavy rider (6'4", 220 lbs.), it seem to me that the biggest technological advance is the new bottom bracket. 90 mm wide, and uses standard Shimano (external bb), Campy (UT), and SRAM cranksets. Very nice move..

And what if you want to run, say a Stronglight, Time, or THM crank? Oh, you can't........

I like the bike, i daily rider is my 5.9 and my race bike is my 5.9. I think TREK will do a fine job on the frame, i would like to see a SRAM rival groupo or pick which groupo you want on which frame. But hey i cant get it all. I will buy one of these bikes, as i support an american company.

Just because everyone owns a trek doesnt mean they suck. you can allways change something on a bike to make it more unique. I ride white rims, but hey lets bash it and say it sucks and we dont like where there going, or i want options beside fsa campy shimano sram for a crank. They all spin the same.

Yeah....SRAM is sooooooooo American.......where exactly are all their bits made, eh?

Isn't Trek 8 years behind the compact frame movement?

Does nothing for me. No thanks. Trek just do not inspire me, in the same way that going to Wal-Mart just does not inspire me.

/OP - do you work for Trek?

Yeah....SRAM is sooooooooo American.......where exactly are all their bits made, eh?

No but the Madone is made is the US. Sram is made in tiawan.

I still dont understand why everyone hates trek ?

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I still dont understand why everyone hates trek ?

Because, to many here, it's "cool" to be a fan of smaller, lesser-known companies......even when the more popular option is technically superior.

Not very different from music snobs, I'm afraid.

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Trek is technically superior?

Must be news to the folks at Time, Look, Colnago, Pinarello.

:rolleyes:

Trek is technically superior?

I never said that, chief. Read the post again.

I never said that, chief. Read the post again.

your post implies that trek is one of the more popular options...hence technically superior.

i think a lot of people like the smaller, lesser known companies because they have excellent products.

I like cervelo and their canadian. :D

Because, to many here, it's "cool" to be a fan of smaller, lesser-known companies......even when the more popular option is technically superior.

That is a big claim.

Have a nice 5 years of playing catch up everybody.

5 years?

It didn't take Trek 5 years to catch up to everyone else with that design, they did it much faster. The Tarmac and Orbea that this Madone is a copy of aren't 5 years old.

It's too bad that Cannondale came first with the monicker MEE-2 (cf/al bike), that would be a good name for this design.

That is a big claim.

Of course it is superior, it is made in the US of A from acronymous carbon fibre. :rolleyes:

the OP is a flame baiter and an uninformed poster.
Trek is a fine bicycle company, just like many other fine bicycle companies. Some of us like Trek, some of us like other manufacturers. FWIW, I don't own a Trek.
if the OP care to check, in 2006 the "tour killer" choked in the TdF. However, this doesn't mean that Trek bikes are crappy.
we don't have to get into who makes the better bike. At the end of the day, the stronger rider on a lesser $1000 bike will beat the weaker rider on a greater $10,000 bike. All it matter is we are happy with your choice of ride. Why do we have to disparage another's ride.

Why do we have to disparage another's ride.

Because there's always an ignorant, uninformed moron somewhere who puts the bike over the rider.

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Because, to many here, it's "cool" to be a fan of smaller, lesser-known companies......even when the more popular option is technically superior.

Not very different from music snobs, I'm afraid.

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britney spears is pretty popular. You are saying she's superior?

I love my trek, i just hope people ride them for an extended time who bash them. you wont hear me bashing a bike i have never rode for more then 500 miles. But i guess that is your opinion. I do wish you could get your bike with whatever groupo you wanted. I want a 5.2 with sram rival wont happen

I do wish you could get your bike with whatever groupo you wanted. I want a 5.2 with sram rival wont happen
Can't you just buy the frame and put whatever parts you want on it?

I love my trek, i just hope people ride them for an extended time who bash them. you wont hear me bashing a bike i have never rode for more then 500 miles. But i guess that is your opinion. I do wish you could get your bike with whatever groupo you wanted. I want a 5.2 with sram rival wont happen


10,000 or so miles....do I get to have an opinion?

-Old Race geometry sucks for most riders.
-The old frame totally mutes, in a bad way, road feel.


I was on an organized century today where 65+% of the bikes were Trek carbon......I have never seen more poorly fit bikes as a group as I did today. It is something I've seen repeatedly.

As to the new bike...as I said previously, I'm glad to see they finally addressed the geometry with the "Performance" models.....it will be interesting to see if people can allow themselves to not buy the race models. As to everything else they are touting, it looks like a rehash of what many other companies have already done.

BTW, I think the bike itself is aesteticially ugly....YMMV

Len

Duuude! That one frame, at Treks lowest carbon price point, is the one that compares most to everyone elses Asian made carbon, except that it has a lifetime warranty!! I guess that makes it too better than most. They only made that bike to hit a price point that allows people to buy a cheaper carbon bike and still be on a Trek.

So Trek's lowest-end carbon is comparable with a Scott Addict or Colnago CLX, except better ... right.

Just because everyone owns a trek doesnt mean they suck. you can allways change something on a bike to make it more unique. I ride white rims, but hey lets bash it and say it sucks and we dont like where there going, or i want options beside fsa campy shimano sram for a crank. They all spin the same.

I think that the beef about the cranks is perfectly legitimate, especially with the way everyone is going through bottom bracket designs now. I'm running Campagnolo cranks on my new bike, but it's nice knowing I could have run whatever cranks I wanted. And who knows, in the next couple years, everyone could change bb designs and nothing current could be compatible with the frame.

I love my trek, i just hope people ride them for an extended time who bash them. you wont hear me bashing a bike i have never rode for more then 500 miles. But i guess that is your opinion.

I'll never bash the ride quality of a bike without riding it extensively. I will tend to distrust comments that a particular bike is a half decade in front of everyone else. I will also comment on the aesthetic qualities of a bike without riding it.

Can't you just buy the frame and put whatever parts you want on it?


trek does not sell just frames on most of there bikes. As i dont want an upper end frame just base level for decent price

trek does not sell just frames on most of there bikes. As i dont want an upper end frame just base level for decent price


more reason for me to never buy one....I like to customize every bike and put different components on it. If I were to buy a carbon bike, I would want Stronglight cranks, zero G brakes, and probably an SRAM gruppo. And don't even get me started on wheels....But, hey, if you love your trek, great, I'm happy for you, just not for me.