Interesting article, I think, about interrogation techniques, and what actually really works in the real world, and how it compares to what some people thinks might work according to Jack Bauer and the TV show 24. Interesting reading I think. Discuss if you choose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19032165/site/newsweek/

Just read the article...why does this guy hate America?:D

That was an excellent read, thanks for posting it.



"And here’s the other part: interrogation does not happen in a void. It has ramifications. In Baghdad in 2003, I was briefing a one-star general about why I thought we needed to avoid coercion techniques. And I told him that if we start using coercion, unless we keep those people in prison for the remainder of their lives, we’re going to suffer a decimal shift. When Iraqis learn people had been abused, those who supported the occupation will shift to neutral, those who had been neutral will shift to supporting the insurgency and those who supported the insurgency will become insurgents. We all like to be right, but in this case I wish I had been wrong. Abu Ghraib has probably been the most effective recruiting campaign that the insurgency and even Al Qaeda at large had ever experienced."

That was an excellent read, thanks for posting it.



"And here’s the other part: interrogation does not happen in a void. It has ramifications. In Baghdad in 2003, I was briefing a one-star general about why I thought we needed to avoid coercion techniques. And I told him that if we start using coercion, unless we keep those people in prison for the remainder of their lives, we’re going to suffer a decimal shift. When Iraqis learn people had been abused, those who supported the occupation will shift to neutral, those who had been neutral will shift to supporting the insurgency and those who supported the insurgency will become insurgents. We all like to be right, but in this case I wish I had been wrong. Abu Ghraib has probably been the most effective recruiting campaign that the insurgency and even Al Qaeda at large had ever experienced."

Glad that I could provide something useful for a change. I did notice that one answer that you had pulled out as well, and it struck as some useful information that we should remember.

Glad that I could provide something useful for a change. I did notice that one answer that you had pulled out as well, and it struck as some useful information that we should remember.
Thank God Truman didn't think that way.
So what I got out of the article was professional interrogators, working with senior Nazi officials, after a war had ended, employ different techniques than young kids use on other kids with little valuable information. Brilliant, 5 pages to tell me what any one who could change his own oil would already know. Isreali techniques are discounted because Isreal isn't 100% successfull defending it's borders against crazies? Seriously, why do you hate America?

Thank God Truman didn't think that way.
So what I got out of the article was professional interrogators, working with senior Nazi officials, after a war had ended, employ different techniques than young kids use on other kids with little valuable information. Brilliant, 5 pages to tell me what any one who could change his own oil would already know. Isreali techniques are discounted because Isreal isn't 100% successfull defending it's borders against crazies? Seriously, why do you hate America?

Here you have a guy telling you, who does this for a living, for a long time, that coercion doesn't work. In other words, as everyone keeps telling you guys, Jack Bauer style torture doesn't work, and when you do wrong to someone, it keeps growing from that one person. A more simple analogy for you would be you receive bad customer service from say, Performance Bike. You tell a friend, that friend tells a friend, you tell other friends, your friends tell other friends, their friends tell other friends, and so on and so forth.

Now, put yourself in a situation where you're being tortured, but they figure out after they've busted your hands, and pulled out your fingernails that, oops, you were innocent, and they fix you up, and let you go. So you're just going to leave it at that? Yeah, OK.

We shouldn't torture people, because we're the "good guys". Remember that? But no, instead we do torture people, and we lose our moral standing in the world, and what does it get us? Not much, if any, useful information at all.

Why do YOU want to turn us into the people we're trying to fight?

Well said, magnolia.

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Very well said Mags!

Here you have a guy telling you, who does this for a living, for a long time, that coercion doesn't work. In other words, as everyone keeps telling you guys, Jack Bauer style torture doesn't work, and when you do wrong to someone, it keeps growing from that one person. A more simple analogy for you would be you receive bad customer service from say, Performance Bike. You tell a friend, that friend tells a friend, you tell other friends, your friends tell other friends, their friends tell other friends, and so on and so forth.

Now, put yourself in a situation where you're being tortured, but they figure out after they've busted your hands, and pulled out your fingernails that, oops, you were innocent, and they fix you up, and let you go. So you're just going to leave it at that? Yeah, OK.

We shouldn't torture people, because we're the "good guys". Remember that? But no, instead we do torture people, and we lose our moral standing in the world, and what does it get us? Not much, if any, useful information at all.

Why do YOU want to turn us into the people we're trying to fight?
...because these type of people have the same mentality and moral fiber as a terrorist.