This article was posted on VeloNews today. Note the highlighted portion in bold:

German Jörg Jaksche, one of dozens of cyclists implicated in the Operación Puerto doping scandal which erupted last year, is set to make a series of stunning revelations about current doping practices.

Jaksche's lawyer Michael Lehner said on Friday the German, who has protested his innocence but been suspended from all competition due to his alleged links to the affair, will reveal all in German weekly magazine Der Spiegel on Monday.

The Tour de France begins in London on July 7, and organizers and the sport's world ruling body have taken serious steps in a bid to finally bring an end to cheating in the sport.

Jaksche, the 2004 Paris-Nice winner who joined the Russian second division outfit Tinkoff in April, appears ready to make his own contribution by revealing all he knows about doping.

Lehner said the former Liberty Seguros rider "will not just admit to doping himself, but will shed light on what really goes on in the peloton, and who the main (doping) protagonists are."

Operación Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists.

Jaksche was linked to one of the codenames found on the bags of blood, but he denied that the moniker "Bella Jorg" related to him.

Germany's 1997 Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich was implicated, as was Italian Ivan Basso.

Since then, 2006 Giro d'Italia champion Basso has admitted his links to Fuentes, confirming that the name "Birillo" - found on a bag of blood - was the name of his dog. He was banned for two years two weeks ago.

Jaksche was one of the 13 riders, including Basso and Ullrich, who were prevented from riding last year's Tour de France because of their implication in the affair.

As well as making revelations, his lawyer said he is ready to act as a witness for the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA), the UCI and legal authorities.

His decision follows the latest in a long line of moves to keep him from competing.

On Thursday the German cycling federation (BDR) stopped him from racing in the national road race championships in Wiesbaden.

BDR president Rudolf Scharping applauded Jaksche's decision.

"If he is really going to make these revelations, then he deserves respect although he has taken his time about deciding to do so," said Scharping.

Kazak mob will cut off his tongue. See here:

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?p=1103174#poststop


So how many new riders will be barred from the TdF?



This article was posted on VeloNews today. Note the highlighted portion in bold:

German Jörg Jaksche, one of dozens of cyclists implicated in the Operación Puerto doping scandal which erupted last year, is set to make a series of stunning revelations about current doping practices.

Jaksche's lawyer Michael Lehner said on Friday the German, who has protested his innocence but been suspended from all competition due to his alleged links to the affair, will reveal all in German weekly magazine Der Spiegel on Monday.

The Tour de France begins in London on July 7, and organizers and the sport's world ruling body have taken serious steps in a bid to finally bring an end to cheating in the sport.

Jaksche, the 2004 Paris-Nice winner who joined the Russian second division outfit Tinkoff in April, appears ready to make his own contribution by revealing all he knows about doping.

Lehner said the former Liberty Seguros rider "will not just admit to doping himself, but will shed light on what really goes on in the peloton, and who the main (doping) protagonists are."

Operación Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists.

Jaksche was linked to one of the codenames found on the bags of blood, but he denied that the moniker "Bella Jorg" related to him.

Germany's 1997 Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich was implicated, as was Italian Ivan Basso.

Since then, 2006 Giro d'Italia champion Basso has admitted his links to Fuentes, confirming that the name "Birillo" - found on a bag of blood - was the name of his dog. He was banned for two years two weeks ago.

Jaksche was one of the 13 riders, including Basso and Ullrich, who were prevented from riding last year's Tour de France because of their implication in the affair.

As well as making revelations, his lawyer said he is ready to act as a witness for the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA), the UCI and legal authorities.

His decision follows the latest in a long line of moves to keep him from competing.

On Thursday the German cycling federation (BDR) stopped him from racing in the national road race championships in Wiesbaden.

BDR president Rudolf Scharping applauded Jaksche's decision.

"If he is really going to make these revelations, then he deserves respect although he has taken his time about deciding to do so," said Scharping.

Will he live to Monday??? :confused:

This article was posted on VeloNews today. Note the highlighted portion in bold:

German Jörg Jaksche, one of dozens of cyclists implicated in the Operación Puerto doping scandal which erupted last year, is set to make a series of stunning revelations about current doping practices.

Jaksche's lawyer Michael Lehner said on Friday the German, who has protested his innocence but been suspended from all competition due to his alleged links to the affair, will reveal all in German weekly magazine Der Spiegel on Monday.

The Tour de France begins in London on July 7, and organizers and the sport's world ruling body have taken serious steps in a bid to finally bring an end to cheating in the sport.

Jaksche, the 2004 Paris-Nice winner who joined the Russian second division outfit Tinkoff in April, appears ready to make his own contribution by revealing all he knows about doping.

Lehner said the former Liberty Seguros rider "will not just admit to doping himself, but will shed light on what really goes on in the peloton, and who the main (doping) protagonists are."

Operación Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists.

Jaksche was linked to one of the codenames found on the bags of blood, but he denied that the moniker "Bella Jorg" related to him.

Germany's 1997 Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich was implicated, as was Italian Ivan Basso.

Since then, 2006 Giro d'Italia champion Basso has admitted his links to Fuentes, confirming that the name "Birillo" - found on a bag of blood - was the name of his dog. He was banned for two years two weeks ago.

Jaksche was one of the 13 riders, including Basso and Ullrich, who were prevented from riding last year's Tour de France because of their implication in the affair.

As well as making revelations, his lawyer said he is ready to act as a witness for the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA), the UCI and legal authorities.

His decision follows the latest in a long line of moves to keep him from competing.

On Thursday the German cycling federation (BDR) stopped him from racing in the national road race championships in Wiesbaden.

BDR president Rudolf Scharping applauded Jaksche's decision.

"If he is really going to make these revelations, then he deserves respect although he has taken his time about deciding to do so," said Scharping.

I can only imagine the icy grip that seized the hearts of some riders upon hearing of that little passage in bold.

I can only imagine the icy grip that seized the hearts of some riders upon hearing of that little passage in bold.

I'm going to order my Liberty Seguros cycling shirt tonight before they sell out come Monday afternoon!

YEAH BABY!

Does this mean that I have wasted my money on Klöden, now?

Jacksche was denied start in the german championship because of his involvment in the operacion puerto. In stead of deploying his standard phrase; I have nothing to confess, Jacksche sat down and coughed up a confession for more then 10 hours in a hotel in Hamburg.

Jacksche threw some hard punches at the president of the german cycling association, Bund Deutscher Radfahrer. Scharping, the president, told me over the phone how I were to be denied starting, while referring to the OP case files, files he isn't legally entitled to examine.

Jacksche speculated why this championship ban was issued all of a sudden. "Perhaps they thought, if Jacksche ain't there, the problem will be gone as well"

Lehner said the former Liberty Seguros rider "will not just admit to doping himself, but will shed light on what really goes on in the peloton, and who the main (doping) protagonists are."

I'm looking forward to the insight he might be able to bring but I'd feel way more secure about his testimony if he gave up his DNA and came totally clean. All this denial stuff is a big put-off.

Edit: I just reread this and saw that he will be admitting to doping. Good for him! I've got a head cold that is preventing me from functioning properly ...

Double edit: I just read the cyclingnews.com report and it's not clear that he is going to admit doping himself. He's denying nefarious links with Fuentes and refusing to submit DNA. I guess he's back to Jorge Jacka$$.

Triple secrete edit: I carefully read the CN and VN articles and it looks like he's prepared to come clean himself and to drop dime on others. I guess I'll wait until Monday to reserve judgment. I hope he doesn't go all Basso on us.

I think we're getting closer to the doping catastrophe that cripples pro cycling -- which, I believe, will be the only way to build it back up to be seen as a legit (mostly clean) profession.

I think we're getting closer to the doping catastrophe that cripples pro cycling -- which, I believe, will be the only way to build it back up to be seen as a legit (mostly clean) profession.

I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop for several months. I am sick of the tension, just want it to implode and get back to rebuilding.

Tour time seems to be the bomb dropping time of year now.

I just wonder who Jorg can implicate. Looking at his Bio, he was on:
Telekom/Tmobile from 1998-2000 (Jan Ullrich going to get buried again, maybe Kloden)
ONCE 2001-2003 (Beloki)
CSC 2004 (Counter claim on Basso?)
Liberty 2005-2006 (Heras, Vino)

It'll be interesting to say the least. Nothing will surprise me (save him swearing that someone was actually clean and winning)

The possible implication of Tugboat in the Operacion Puerto scandal is more than the cycling world can bear.

It'll be the most shocking news since Spuds McKenzie faced his problems and checked into a rehab clinic.

I can't wait for Jorg to spill it all on Monday.

Let the heads roll I say.

I can't wait for Jorg to spill it all on Monday.

Let the heads roll I say.

Is it too late to name substitute riders or would teams be short manned if people are banned?

Or if half the team is banned like Astana last year.. would they be able to fill the slots?

When is the deadline for that?

In today's on-line German-language edition, the German magazine DER SPIEGEL put out a short teaser of the Jaksche story it will publish Monday in its print edition.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,491561,00.html

Here are some excerpts from the on-line article. My translations and minor edits.

"Thirty-year old Jaksche is the first rider to admit . . . that as a client of the Spanish doping-doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, he started illegal blood doping in 2005 to improve his performance. Jaksche also confimed parts of the Spanish Guardia Civil report. He said that he was listed with Fuentes under the code name "Bella" and also as "Nr. 20."

"Of course, no one held me down to give me a shot. But of all the people, the team managers who made money off of you, who got you the dope—now suddenly they claim that they are all for a clean sport."

"Jaksche said that already in his first year as a pro, the manager of the Polti team, Gianluigi Stanga, started him on the road to doping. According to Jaksche, Stanga said that he "wanted to find out what'll work best with me." Stanga, now the Milram team manager, called these accusations "absurd" in a response to DER SPIEGEL."

Is it too late to name substitute riders or would teams be short manned if people are banned?

Or if half the team is banned like Astana last year.. would they be able to fill the slots?

When is the deadline for that?

I'm not sure what the deadline is, but I'm thinking that they should be able to sub some people in, if Jorg names some names that are in le Tour.

JJ won't name names directly. Omerta still rules.

but I'll say it again,

I think that this is the big one. If he come's truly clean, heads will roll. The lid will be lifted and cycling will change forever. Stages will need to be shortened, riders won't race as much and a whole lotta sponsors will agree that they are not getting their money's worth from their sponsorship. If Boonen (by example) can only race at his peak, 8 maybe 10 times per year, how can you justify sponsoring him? No way. This is why the peloton has been mum for years about this. If the riders can't dope, they can't race as hard or as often. Races will dissappear from the calander. Odd no-names will start winning races. All heck will break loose.

It's similar to why in the US, Major League baseball will not impose a meaninful drug policy. They will lose money and fans if we have to see 170 lb shortstops that can only his .225 with 5 homeruns per year. We need A-Rods, not Freddy Patek (who here remembers him?)

Seriously, I think that this will be good for cycling in the long run because it may cause a lot of people their jobs, and sponsorship may fall off, but in the long run, riding clean races will bring back fans who trust what they're seeing.

Wow.

I'm done.

BT

JJ won't name names directly. Omerta still rules.

He's named Vino without actually saying his name. There is little doubt who he is talking about it.

Of course. Which is why I said he won't name names DIRECTLY.

I still don't agree with the idea that shortened stages will reduce the pressure to dope. It will shift the type of rider who can win but nothing else. Some riders are just better at endurance and recovery with or without dope and shorter stages and GTs will give them more incentive to dope because the average speeds will increase and the races will no longer suit their abilities as well.

There was some research in Spain a few years ago that showed the total energy output was little different in the Tour vs the Vuelta despite significantly shorter stages. Riders simply go faster on shorter stages and push the limits just as much either way.

I think we're getting closer to the doping catastrophe that cripples pro cycling -- which, I believe, will be the only way to build it back up to be seen as a legit (mostly clean) profession.

The crippling seems inevitable, but I think it is naive to assume that it will be built back up to a clean sport. The same realities that exist now will always exist. The dope works... and the system can't eliminate the use of dope via testing... so if you want to win you pretty much have to dope. The more they escalate the *war* the farther underground the doping will go, and the more beneficial it will be to dope. The risk goes up but so do the rewards.

It will only be *seen* as legit, when people (media, politicians, WADA, etc) stop looking for scandals. This OP thing really pisses me off. They don't have enough evidence to prosecute or suspend anyone, but every year right before the Tour they look for some **** to throw into the fan.

This OP thing really pisses me off. They don't have enough evidence to prosecute or suspend anyone, but every year right before the Tour they look for some **** to throw into the fan.

Of course they do. What they lack is the will to do so. I have little doubt the hurdles to get the evidence from Spain would be jumped easily if the UCI really wanted to jump them. Similar processes that brought down Ullrich, Scarponi, & Basso could take the other 50 or more riders down.

From Velonews: "Operación Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists." When are they going to focus on the other athletes as closely as the cyclists? Have any of them been named?

From Velonews: "Operación Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists." When are they going to focus on the other athletes as closely as the cyclists? Have any of them been named?

When will they focus on Spanish cyclists like Valverde?

Of course. Which is why I said he won't name names DIRECTLY.

He mentioned Jens Voigt DIRECTLY in the Spiegel excerpt.

When will they focus on Spanish cyclists like Valverde?

Jaksche has also said what a couple of sources have mentioned before that at some point in the investigation certain involved riders names were suddenly removed from the reports. It's hard not to strongly suspect that Valverde is one of these riders.

Are we (the avid/rabid cycling fans) really ready for a scandal that brings down a whole boat-load of riders INCLUDING our favorite guys?

I was thinking about this yesterday. If a scandal comes down and my favorite guys (Hincapie, Ferrar, Fast Freddy, Horner, Bettini, Backstedt, or Thor to name a few) are caught, I'd be really, really bummed. I know that i"ve spouted off that I want them to come clean, but to have them caught, banned (a two year ban for these guys may end their career) would really turn me off.

Just thought of this.

Any thoughts? Are we really ready for this? I suppose that I could pick up on some new favorites, after all, I like the sport more than the riders.

BT

They already caught all my favorites so at this point I am leaning toward the level playing field and bloodbath being the way to go - Valverde, Vino and the rest of the ex T-Mob guys, Disco, the whole of Spanish and Italian cycling, all the Eastern Europeans, Belgians, French asthmatics... It's all coming out like slow torture so far and if it's going to happen it might as well be over and done with in one big implosion.

Plus a number of people at the UCI need to go. Jaksche said he was told by another rider that some teams were being informed about controls by the UCI so there are clearly some heads needing to roll there. Top of the list are probably Hein Verbruggen and all his associates.

Are we (the avid/rabid cycling fans) really ready for a scandal that brings down a whole boat-load of riders INCLUDING our favorite guys?

I was thinking about this yesterday. If a scandal comes down and my favorite guys (Hincapie, Ferrar, Fast Freddy, Horner, Bettini, Backstedt, or Thor to name a few) are caught, I'd be really, really bummed. I know that i"ve spouted off that I want them to come clean, but to have them caught, banned (a two year ban for these guys may end their career) would really turn me off.

Just thought of this.

Any thoughts? Are we really ready for this? I suppose that I could pick up on some new favorites, after all, I like the sport more than the riders.

BT
Well, what's the alternative? Having a handful of scandals every year shadowing all the big events. And at the same time everyone keeps on pretending it's not a widespread problem?
Jaksche spilling the beans on Riis, Saiz, and Godefroot would hopefully clean things up on some level. If the directors would actually feel some consequences due to doping maybe, just maybe, some ways would be changed. Probably not though :cryin:

Well, what's the alternative? Having a handful of scandals every year shadowing all the big events. And at the same time everyone keeps on pretending it's not a widespread problem?
Jaksche spilling the beans on Riis, Saiz, and Godefroot would hopefully clean things up on some level. If the directors would actually feel some consequences due to doping maybe, just maybe, some ways would be changed. Probably not though :cryin:Well, most every other pro sport seems to be doing fine with a system in which there are occasional scandals that do NOT overshadow the marquee events and in which everyone pretends doping is not a widespread problem. The fans of those sports seem largely content.

Something smells fishy to me. How much is Jaksche getting paid for his “story”? Since he is/was a Pro rider that can not compete how does he generate income? Can this “story” be his big pay-day? Has he lied about this in the past? Has his “story” been consistent? Which “story” does he make the most money from telling at this point?

rj

Something smells fishy to me. How much is Jaksche getting paid for his “story”? Since he is/was a Pro rider that can not compete how does he generate income? Can this “story” be his big pay-day? Has he lied about this in the past? Has his “story” been consistent? Which “story” does he make the most money from telling at this point?

rj

You are an idiot. Yeah, he's lying about Polti, T-Mobile, Saiz, Vino. None of them aroused any suspicions before. :rolleyes:

Well, what's the alternative? Having a handful of scandals every year shadowing all the big events. And at the same time everyone keeps on pretending it's not a widespread problem?

How about admitting that it is a widespread problem, *and* accept that there isn't anything reasonable that can be done to stop it. Then maybe we will start to get somewhere...

Are we (the avid/rabid cycling fans) really ready for a scandal that brings down a whole boat-load of riders INCLUDING our favorite guys?

I was thinking about this yesterday. If a scandal comes down and my favorite guys (Hincapie, Ferrar, Fast Freddy, Horner, Bettini, Backstedt, or Thor to name a few) are caught, I'd be really, really bummed. I know that i"ve spouted off that I want them to come clean, but to have them caught, banned (a two year ban for these guys may end their career) would really turn me off.

Just thought of this.

Any thoughts? Are we really ready for this? I suppose that I could pick up on some new favorites, after all, I like the sport more than the riders.

BT


Bring them all down.

If vino/valverde/astana get their due, then Leipheimer/Disco might have a chance with a 6 person team.

You saw how sad Disco was last July without the dope.

It'll be the only chance Levi gets to do the #1 spot.

Bring them all down.

If vino/valverde/astana get their due, then Leipheimer/Disco might have a chance with a 6 person team.

You saw how sad Disco was last July without the dope.

It'll be the only chance Levi gets to do the #1 spot.

What makes you think that Disco wouldn't go down with everyone else?

What makes you think that Disco wouldn't go down with everyone else?


I would expect Contador and another tour rider to go down.

Seeing how well they climbed the last TdF - they looked like a continental team.

Snood, name calling directly indicates your inability to debate a subject. It may just be the way you were raised.
It is not if Jaksche is lying it is how much money he is getting for it.
I consider myself a capitalist and generally look at things from that perspective.

Since he is/was a Pro rider that can not compete how does he generate income?

Jaksche has been riding and getting results with Tinkoff this season. Which raises the interesting question regarding how he has been doping this year since Fuentes bust.

Snood, name calling directly indicates your inability to debate a subject. It may just be the way you were raised.
It is not if Jaksche is lying it is how much money he is getting for it.
I consider myself a capitalist and generally look at things from that perspective.

Radsport-news.com, a german site claimed der Spiegel was willing to put 100,000 Euros on the table. Considering how he earned 500k a year for Tinkov, it doesn't sound like he has cut himself the best deal. Hopefully, he will be able to get a contract and earn some cash in two years time.

Hopefully, he will be able to get a contract and earn some cash in two years time.

Or less, seems that he is also talking to the German federation in exchange for a reduced sentence. I think his first interviews were actually with them, not Der Speigel.

It seems to me he came to a point where he was not going to be able to race for the next couple of years at least, then came up with his "sensational pre tour story". He would have probably preferred to continue to race bikes for a living but everyone needs to eat.


rj

Considering how he earned 500k a year for Tinkov

That much for a journeyman pro? Team Jerkoff must be loaded?

That much for a journeyman pro? Team Jerkoff must be loaded?

I don't think I'd call Jaksche a journeyman pro. He's not a big winner either but he's won Paris-Nice and was often enough a protagonist in shorter stage races. I don't think he ever got to that point where he could ride for himself in GTs.

It seems to me he came to a point where he was not going to be able to race for the next couple of years at least, then came up with his "sensational pre tour story". He would have probably preferred to continue to race bikes for a living but everyone needs to eat.


rj
He'll be sued by so many people his head will spin. No amount of money he gets paid by any source would offset the aggrivation and money he'll lose getting sued (assuming he loses his civil suits).

No way he'd do this for money.

BT

That much for a journeyman pro? Team Jerkoff must be loaded?

tinkoffs loaded for sure, just apparently not that savvy in the ways of pro racing. made his $ through a chain of brewpubs or something and sold it and got into whatever it is that TCS does.

It seems to me he came to a point where he was not going to be able to race for the next couple of years at least, then came up with his "sensational pre tour story". He would have probably preferred to continue to race bikes for a living but everyone needs to eat.


rj

Right, so that's why Godefroot just quit his job at Astana, because Jaschke made it up.

It's Monday, what did Jaksche say? Did he name me?

It's Monday, what did Jaksche say? Did he name me?
Or should I call you "Michelle"

CONI will be calling you shortly.

Good luck with all that.

See you back Stateside, riding the Masters races where you were before the EPO!

BT

It is not if Jaksche is lying it is how much money he is getting for it.
I consider myself a capitalist and generally look at things from that perspective.

You and I don't know what Jasksche got paid......only Vino's speculation....sooooooo your theory is only a theory.