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    Allez Steel vs Surly Pacer

    I really hate saying versus but for regular, non competitive, riding what makes the better bike? I have a Pacer frameset at home. From what I can see they're pretty close. The big difference is the Pacer can take some pretty fat tires.
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    After casual road riding for years with fat tires (32c on a Salsa Casseroll, 35c on a Bianchi San Jose), I could never go back to skinny tires. I notice no difference in speed or effort, but the comfort level and handling are vastly improved. Looks like the Pacer can take a 32 without fenders. I ride mostly on crappy pavement and bricks, so YMMV.

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    Agree—if you're thinking fat tires, the Pacer has the upper hand. But having said this, I have to tell you that even with 32s at 60 psi, I tired of the harsh Pacer fork and replaced it with a Nashbar carbon fork. Much better ride and dropped about 400 grams as a bonus. Nice bike now, but no more fatties in front. In hindsight: I was seduced by the fat tire thing, but it turned out that I don't really want it or miss it.

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    Generic Co-Mo frames weigh around 5 pounds. Fancy Air Hardened steel frames weigh 3-1/2.
    If you're not racing, 1-1/2 pounds will not be noticed, at all. Hell, 5 pounds will not be noticed.
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    I have had a Pacer, Bianchi San Jose, Casseroll and a Smoothie. I still have the San Jose and Smoothie. They are great bikes. I liked my Pacer but they do ride a little big. Mine was a 54 and it never fit quite right. Thats the only reason I got rid of it.

    The San Jose is a keeper. It rides great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wim View Post
    Agree—if you're thinking fat tires, the Pacer has the upper hand. But having said this, I have to tell you that even with 32s at 60 psi, I tired of the harsh Pacer fork and replaced it with a Nashbar carbon fork. Much better ride and dropped about 400 grams as a bonus. Nice bike now, but no more fatties in front. In hindsight: I was seduced by the fat tire thing, but it turned out that I don't really want it or miss it.
    The Nashbar CF forks are a great deal. Does anyone make a CF fork that can take a larger tire? That or a 650B conversion.
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