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    Cannondale R5000 or Felt F3C????

    Time to order up a new road bike and trying to decide between the Cannondale R5000 or the Felt F3C - these are the choices in my budget.

    I have been on Cannondales for the past 5 years - R900 and my current ride R2000. - No complaints but have the urge to try something different (Carbon is always nice) to see if I am missing something better. (Example I MTB raced a Titus Racer X for 5 years - 3 different frames - because I though the Racer X was the best bike out there. Tried a Turner Flux this year and glad I made the change)

    I am 6'1", 185 lbs and will use the bike for mostly training rides and a few races. I had just started into about 4-5 road races last year and had a ball so will probably do a few more this year.

    Looks like both bikes are full Dura Ace - Wheelsets are different (but not sure which is better and how much better).

    Sizing between the 2 bikes are pretty close (comparing o4 specs)
    Seat Tube angle C 73 Felt 73.5
    Head Tube angle C 73.5 Felt 74.0
    Horz TT C 57.5 Felt 58
    Not sure how these minor difference pay on bike handling!

    Weight difference between the two bikes??? (I am a weight wennie)

    Paying the same price for each bike any recommendations of one over the other? A "clear" winner or is this a possible flip of the coin?


    Thanks for any thoughts KMan

    Cannondale R5000
    Frame CAAD8 Optimo
    Fork Slice Premium
    Wheelset Mavic Ksyrium Elite
    Tires Hutchinson Top Speed foldable, 700 x 23c
    Crank FSA SL-K Carbon Compact, 36/50, 110BCD
    Chain Shimano Dura Ace 10-speed
    Rear Cogs Shimano Dura Ace, 12-25
    Bottom Bracket FSA MegaExo
    Front Derailleur Shimano Dura Ace
    Rear Derailleur Shimano Dura Ace
    Shifters Shimano Dura Ace
    Handlebars Cannondale Fire, 31.8 mm
    Stem Cannondale Fire 3-D Forged
    Headset FSA Alloy integrated
    Brakeset Shimano Dura Ace
    Brakelevers Shimano Dura Ace
    Saddle Fi'zi:k Arione Mg
    Seat Post Cannondale Carbon-wrapped

    Felt F3C
    FRAME High Modulus Modular Carbon Fiber Frame with 3K Weave
    FORK Reynolds Ouzo Comp Carbon with 1-1/8” Carbon Steerer
    HEADSET Aheadset 1-1/8” Integrated
    STEM Felt ST-22 6061 3D Forged with 5° Rise
    HANDLEBAR Felt Carbon Ergonomic Drop, Ø31.8mm
    SHIFTERS Shimano Dura-Ace, 20 speed
    F/DERAILLEUR Shimano Dura-Ace
    R/DERAILLEUR Shimano Dura-Ace
    CRANKSET Truvativ Rouleur, 2-PC Monocoque CarbonCrank with Black CNC 7075/T6 Alloy Chainrings, 50/36T
    CHAIN Shimano 10-Speed
    FREEWHEEL Shimano 10-Speed Cassette, 11-23T
    BRAKE LEVERS Shimano Dura-Ace Dual Control
    BRAKES Dual Pivot Alloy with Cartridge Brake Pads
    SADDLE Felt Race-Lite with Carbon Injected Base, Leather Cover and with CrMo Rails
    SEAT POST Felt Carbon Monocoque
    F/HUB Mavic Aksium Race Aluminum with Sealed Bearings, 20H
    R/HUB Mavic Aksium Race Aluminum with Sealed Bearings, 24H
    RIMS Mavic Aksium Race 6061 Aluminum 20mm Parabolic Aero Section with UB Control-External Wear Indicator
    TIRE Vittoria Rubino Slick 700x23c
    SPOKES Mavic Aksium Race Flat Spokes
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    Coin Toss

    However, if you are a weight wennie I can't imagine you will be happy with the wheels on the felt. They are a step down on the Mavic food chain and I think over 200 grams heavier.

    If you can get over that then just go with whichever one gives you wood.
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    i own a cannondale mtb have never owned one of the road bikes. that said cannondale makes super nice frames and you couldnt go wrong with it. but the felt is just damn beautiful ... personal opinion i would get the felt.

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    The Cannondale has a slightly better component set. The wheels and brakes, for example, are better.

    I don't know much about Felt's quality, but a carbon frame is pretty sweet indeed. Does that make it better than the Cannondale? Well no. Cannondale makes beautfiul frames and even if alloy isn't necessarily en vogue these days, if you are indifferent towards the carbon vs alloy debate, I'd probably say the Cannondale is the best. If you absolutely must have carbon, try the Felt, but don't whinge to me if three months from now you think you made a mistake!
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    I've actually wondered about the Felt........are the brakes actually Dura Ace??

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    god go with the c'dale

    felts are the epitome of cheap far east carbon crap

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    Wheels....

    If I went with the Felt I would sell the stock wheels and get a set from Mike G - Speedcific Niobium 30 set - cost looks to be around $430 shipped, weight is 1550 grams and a bit less if I went with the Sapim CX-Ray spokes. Might even do the same with the Cannondale. http://oddsandendos.safeshopper.com/2/128.htm?419

    What happened to the good old days when My R2000 came with the Mavic Ksyrium SL's?? Looks like building with cheaper wheels is keeping the prices down a bit?

    KMan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lifelover
    However, if you are a weight wennie I can't imagine you will be happy with the wheels on the felt. They are a step down on the Mavic food chain and I think over 200 grams heavier.

    If you can get over that then just go with whichever one gives you wood.

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    Really??

    Quote Originally Posted by peabody
    felts are the epitome of cheap far east carbon crap
    Any basis to that statement, or just loyalty to an American made Cannondale? I have an F1C on order (due in February) and would cancel it, if it is in fact, crap. There is very little feedback on Felt carbon out there, so I'd love to hear any factual reasons as to why the Felts may be inferior to any of the dozen or so high end carbon frames coming out of Taiwan. Parlee, Time, Look, Specailized and Giant are all on my carbon A-list, so I'm not partial as to where it's munafactured so long as it's quality product.

    Mike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by two6's
    Any basis to that statement, or just loyalty to an American made Cannondale? I have an F1C on order (due in February) and would cancel it, if it is in fact, crap. There is very little feedback on Felt carbon out there, so I'd love to hear any factual reasons as to why the Felts may be inferior to any of the dozen or so high end carbon frames coming out of Taiwan. Parlee, Time, Look, Specailized and Giant are all on my carbon A-list, so I'm not partial as to where it's munafactured so long as it's quality product.

    Mike...
    Don't get worked up because what someone on a web forum says. I know a few people who have CF felts and another friends who will be buying one this month. They are great bikes at great prices.

    No doubt the frames are made in some Asian factories that makes frames for many others but that in no way means they are crap.

    My only problem with them is that they look so damn fast. I would not one to show up on one and get dropped by some loser on an old Schwinn Traveler. I would rather be the loser on the old Schwinn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Italianrider76
    I've actually wondered about the Felt........are the brakes actually Dura Ace??
    Be careful. The Felt you listed here is NOT full Dura Ace. Only the shifters/brake levers and
    derailleurs are DA. The brake calipers, hubs, casette... Not DA. Felt does this on many models--that's why the prices are so good.

    I'd go with the Cannondale, all things being equal (and I ride a Felt). I think it is easily the better choice. I'd rather have a solid, tried and true aluminum frame with better components than a carbon frame with lesser components for sure. I don't think that Felt is worth 3k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifelover
    Don't get worked up because what someone on a web forum says. I know a few people who have CF felts and another friends who will be buying one this month. They are great bikes at great prices.

    No doubt the frames are made in some Asian factories that makes frames for many others but that in no way means they are crap.

    My only problem with them is that they look so damn fast. I would not one to show up on one and get dropped by some loser on an old Schwinn Traveler. I would rather be the loser on the old Schwinn.
    Correct, Felt frames are made in Taiwan and for manufacturers other than Felt.
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    Oh, and the C'dale comes with a kick-ass saddle.

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    Thanks for the insight

    I did see the Felt did not have Dura Ace calipers and the wheels are pretty lame. I was planning on replacing the wheelset on either bike with something different and lighter.
    I don't think any bikes are "worth" 3k. I would be getting shop pricing on both bikes and they are within $100 of each other (the R5000 being less expensive). I know the Cannondale is a better deal, but as I mentioned originally I have had 2 Cannondale road bikes and have that slight urge to try something differnt....but not if it is not worth it.
    My mind says stay with the Cannondale....but something in the back is still saying try the Felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty2Hotty
    Be careful. The Felt you listed here is NOT full Dura Ace. Only the shifters/brake levers and
    derailleurs are DA. The brake calipers, hubs, casette... Not DA. Felt does this on many models--that's why the prices are so good.

    I'd go with the Cannondale, all things being equal (and I ride a Felt). I think it is easily the better choice. I'd rather have a solid, tried and true aluminum frame with better components than a carbon frame with lesser components for sure. I don't think that Felt is worth 3k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMan
    I did see the Felt did not have Dura Ace calipers and the wheels are pretty lame. I was planning on replacing the wheelset on either bike with something different and lighter.
    I don't think any bikes are "worth" 3k. I would be getting shop pricing on both bikes and they are within $100 of each other (the R5000 being less expensive). I know the Cannondale is a better deal, but as I mentioned originally I have had 2 Cannondale road bikes and have that slight urge to try something differnt....but not if it is not worth it.
    My mind says stay with the Cannondale....but something in the back is still saying try the Felt.

    KMan
    You're right... I can't say whether a bike is "worth" 3k or not. If you already have 2 Cannondales, go for the Felt. You're not going to get a cheaper carbon bike.

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    Wait till the price drop

    Check out the retail vs cost to dealer price postd on this bike I saw at Interbike. I say get the cannondale. The felt is made of the cheaper t700 carbon.
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    how much cheaper

    Quote Originally Posted by KMan
    I did see the Felt did not have Dura Ace calipers and the wheels are pretty lame. I was planning on replacing the wheelset on either bike with something different and lighter.
    I don't think any bikes are "worth" 3k. I would be getting shop pricing on both bikes and they are within $100 of each other (the R5000 being less expensive). I know the Cannondale is a better deal, but as I mentioned originally I have had 2 Cannondale road bikes and have that slight urge to try something differnt....but not if it is not worth it.
    My mind says stay with the Cannondale....but something in the back is still saying try the Felt.

    KMan
    just curious. how much cheaper? the cannondale even at $3k is closer to a better deal IMO due to the components.

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    The Felt does look pretty nice in that second series of photos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by peabody
    felts are the epitome of cheap far east carbon crap
    Hmmm, and where does the Cannondale Synapse come from?

    The bottom line, nowadays, is that at that 2-3k price point you are choosing between pretty decent aluminum framesets from manufacturers like C-dale, Orbea, Specialized and then price point carbon bikes. If you want the ride of carbon and don't have much experience on a bike to begin with, then the Felt is not a bad choice. I've test rode the Felt F2c/3c models myself; they're a snappy and smooth ride. Not terrifically stiff, and I have no idea what to say about their longevity, but a good bike. Felt's carbon framesets may not have the build quality of a Colnago or Look, but they're far from the epitome of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrob
    Check out the retail vs cost to dealer price postd on this bike I saw at Interbike. I say get the cannondale. The felt is made of the cheaper t700 carbon.

    Cheaper compared to what? a $5000 frame only, French made, Time VXRS?

    Duhh.

    And about dealer cost price... do you expect them to only make a buck? Right...

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    I think that Felt is fugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty2Hotty
    Be careful. The Felt you listed here is NOT full Dura Ace. Only the shifters/brake levers and
    derailleurs are DA. The brake calipers, hubs, casette... Not DA. Felt does this on many models--that's why the prices are so good.
    So what are the calipers?? Ultegra, 105??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italianrider76
    So what are the calipers?? Ultegra, 105??
    "Dual Pivot Alloy with Cartridge Brake Pads"

    I don't think they are Shimano. Tektro, maybe... I dunno. My Felt has no name calipers, and I know on past years some Felts used Tektro calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty2Hotty
    "Dual Pivot Alloy with Cartridge Brake Pads"

    I don't think they are Shimano. Tektro, maybe... I dunno. My Felt has no name calipers, and I know on past years some Felts used Tektro calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrob
    Check out the retail vs cost to dealer price postd on this bike I saw at Interbike. I say get the cannondale. The felt is made of the cheaper t700 carbon.
    Wow, 40-45% margins?!? So what's up with all the people who say, "Don't haggle with your poor LBS on the price of a bike ... their margins are razor thin."?

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    So I have a question about the felt. In the second set of pictures what is the orange piece at the top of the seat stays?

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