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    This is my second Tideace frame that I just ordered in glossy orange, but I'm curious, is this a clone of another brand? I like the styling of the rear seat stay, reminds me of giant a little bit but other areas remind me of other models as well. Anybody have any guru input that could help? My first Tideace was the Ridley Noah style that I spray painted purple keiren from www.spray.bike paints, rides great and tracks likes its on rails. Thanks,Chinese Carbon Thread and Ebay direct version 7.0-capture.jpg
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    After the R-051 I got a second frame from Velobuild. Got some issues building it up:
    - Flatmount brakes weren't straight, they were painted over (messing about with some sandpaper and a lor of patience, I think I got sorted now)
    - Seatpost slips (again, the R-051 had the same problem), some hairspray seems to have done the thrick)

    Everything else went smooth.
    First ride is planned for this week, hopefully no extra problems will appear.

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    For now it rides on 700c wheels (DT-Swiss 350 hubs, wide DT-Swiss rims) I laced myself. Still thinking about a 650B wheelset with mountainbike tires for winter.

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    Hi everyone! I'm currently tempted getting the VB-R-010 frame from Velobuild new aero asymmetrical carbon fiber road frame but I'm wondering if anyone had any comments about it? Or even someone who gets it?
    Have a nice day
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols View Post
    The first is the head tube, showing some ridges in the carbon on the inside. I'm not too worried about that, but hopefully someone can confirm if it's a non-issue.

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    That is normal. What you are seeing that looks like layers of fabric is not actually fabric but resin flashing from the inflatable bladder process. In other words you can ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tthome View Post
    This is my second Tideace frame that I just ordered in glossy orange, but I'm curious, is this a clone of another brand? I like the styling of the rear seat stay, reminds me of giant a little bit but other areas remind me of other models as well. Anybody have any guru input that could help? My first Tideace was the Ridley Noah style that I spray painted purple keiren from www.spray.bike paints, rides great and tracks likes its on rails. Thanks,Click image for larger version. 

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    ugh, almost all of these no-name chinese frames are made from one of the (stolen) molds from a big make. For the chinese to offer you at el cheapo prices, you can rest assured that no R&D and probably no QA have gone into these frames. That means, they have to steal molds that were discarded. And stealing intellectual properties is a rampant thing over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    ugh, almost all of these no-name chinese frames are made from one of the (stolen) molds from a big make. For the chinese to offer you at el cheapo prices, you can rest assured that no R&D and probably no QA have gone into these frames. That means, they have to steal molds that were discarded. And stealing intellectual properties is a rampant thing over there.
    The cost of carbon is not in the molds nor the designs, its the labor. Carbon fiber is labor intensive, carbon 101. That said Shenzen is where the world goes to get designs rapid prototyped. It's the only place in the world where a company can bring an idea from drawing to prototype in less than a week, where it would take months to years in America. If you think they are clueless you are the one with no clue. Clearly you don't like the idea of IP as a commodity, then so be it. The international brands are going to Shenzen for their factories and labor for a reason. At this point, most of the major factories in Shenzen are damn good at what they do. Hell, they've made millions of carbon frames for all those poor brands that can't or won't make their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesmokingman View Post
    The cost of carbon is not in the molds nor the designs, its the labor. Carbon fiber is labor intensive, carbon 101. That said Shenzen is where the world goes to get designs rapid prototyped. It's the only place in the world where a company can bring an idea from drawing to prototype in less than a week, where it would take months to years in America. If you think they are clueless you are the one with no clue. Clearly you don't like the idea of IP as a commodity, then so be it. The international brands are going to Shenzen for their factories and labor for a reason. At this point, most of the major factories in Shenzen are damn good at what they do. Hell, they've made millions of carbon frames for all those poor brands that can't or won't make their own.
    Totally agree. Dig a bit into the bicycle industry and see how much the brands are actually doing themselves and how much the Asian manufacturers/designers/engineers are doing. Fx the layup schedule is 95% of the time decided by the manufacturer. This is more or less automated by software and target unit cost.
    And as consumers we really have no idea whether a design was made in house or purchased from an Asian manufacturer/engineering company. We are just left with the brand marketing material

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    And stealing intellectual properties is a rampant thing over there.
    It has been for decades. I'll bet the computer and parts you typed your post with was assembled in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    ugh, almost all of these no-name chinese frames are made from one of the (stolen) molds from a big make. For the chinese to offer you at el cheapo prices, you can rest assured that no R&D and probably no QA have gone into these frames. That means, they have to steal molds that were discarded. And stealing intellectual properties is a rampant thing over there.
    But but but... Didn't you just say this in another thread just over a month ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    I used to be very anti-chinese frames. But lately, I'm thinking like you are. The perpetual "chinese ebay frame" thread definitely has me more and more convinced that chinese frames are perhaps the better alternatives

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    But but but... Didn't you just say this in another thread just over a month ago?
    I did, so? Just because I say i might buy a chinese frame doesn't mean that they have much R&D into them. Am I not allowed to have 2 mutually exclusive thoughts? It's called abstraction.

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    Back on topic for those of us that actually own and ride these frames.

    Thanks to constant rain I've cut down on the mountain biking a lot this spring. So I've already hit 1,000 miles on the FM079F. I really love it. Comfortable, agile, fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Back on topic for those of us that actually own and ride these frames.

    Thanks to constant rain I've cut down on the mountain biking a lot this spring. So I've already hit 1,000 miles on the FM079F. I really love it. Comfortable, agile, fast.
    What do you think the widest tire would be on the FM079?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisbottles View Post
    What do you think the widest tire would be on the FM079?
    Not sure. It has 25s in the pic. I have new 28s I'll install soon, no doubt in my mind that they'll fit fine. I think 30s will fit but I can't guarantee it. I'll post clearance pics when I put the 28s on. Fork has tons of room, chainstays are a little tighter.

    A riding buddy has a domane with 32s. Next time I ride with her I'll see if she'll let me swap the wheels so I can check.

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    Thanks for back on topic by people who are actually interested, own and use these frames.

    Great looking build, FM079F looks amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Back on topic for those of us that actually own and ride these frames.

    Thanks to constant rain I've cut down on the mountain biking a lot this spring. So I've already hit 1,000 miles on the FM079F. I really love it. Comfortable, agile, fast.
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    Curious which frame you went with. If you still need suggestion, just saw another from from WorksWell might suit your needs.

    WorksWell WCB-R-147. Looks similar to a Flyxii 322 to me, but more modern, and better made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmaster View Post
    Hi All,

    So... 6.5 years and thousands of miles later, my FR301 Flyxii frame is toast.

    RD hanger broke off (my fault because I noticed a wrinkle in it, but was too lazy to replace at the time) breaking 2 spokes and trashing one of the rear stays.

    Looking for a replacement frame now. I'm in Denver, so lots of hilly riding, plus I throw aero-bars on it for my Triathlons (don't currently see a need for a TT bike in CO).

    Based on an old email, this is what the old frame was:

    FR301
    TT 540
    ST 52
    HT 140
    HTA 72.5
    STA 73.5
    WB 977

    By the looks, it seems that FLX-FR-322 might be close, and a really good price ($350). Anything else that'd be worth looking into? The 52CM FR301 I currently have felt like a hair too long - I ended up putting a 65CM stem on it, but I'm not sure if going down to the 50 with a longer stem is a good idea or not, especially with a shorter wheelbase and going 40+ down CO mountain roads.

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    Hey guys, my first post here, I'm a regular on one of the mtb forums so someone might recognize me, - I ride dirt 90% of the time, but road too mostly in warmer weather. I did some road racing back around 90-91 on one of those bonded Specialized small-tube carbon frame Allez bikes, just mtb racing these past few years.
    I'm just about to start swapping mtb parts over to a BXT frame for my kids mtb upgrade, it looks quite good, I see that BXT does a bunch of road frames too.
    I was shopping to build up a road bike for my kid with a DA7800 group I have sitting around, but found a decent whole bike for cheap, -but I'm still having fun looking at chinese carbon options.

    A couple of quick Qs for your comments:

    It looks like bigger frames 60cm+ (I prefer 61) are much less common, nearly limited to Og-Evkin, and Muovasi from Australia, the Muovasi is under $300 even from Australia, very tempting since I've got all the other parts, - if not for my Scott Foil 20 I'm currently super happy with I'd be looking harder. It is really fun to look at the other options, anything I'm missing in the bigger sizes like 61?

    Forks; it seems that there is still a lot of fear that the 'cheap chinese' forks might not be reliable, - I put a carbon Toseek on my daughters 26er (she's 65 pounds) and I've ridden it around, it seems really solid. My bike shop guy still recommends getting a Kinesis, which are not terribly expensive, but he has not seen a lot of modern Chinese carbon.
    Are we at a point where the bigger chinese builders produce forks that can be trusted? I suspect they can, I read a lot about fear but few recent actual failures, all failures I've read about are from a few years ago or more. I think back to that bonded aluminum fork that came on my '90/91 Spec Allez, and if I survived that I would likely be ok with most any modern Chinese carbon fork.

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    Just finished build of solid orange tide-ace frameset. Ridden 200 miles. The only thing I don't like is the fact the rear brake cable stops are plastic and that they don't actually accept 5mm cable stop ferrule in the plastic stops...if you install the rear brake cables directly to the plastic stops without any metal ferrule end than the brake cable is sort of "mashed" or pulled through the plastic cable stop on the frame. So I had to use the jagwire POP brake cable ferrules to sort of get around that. The other option is to simply run that rear brake cable housing all the way through the top tube. This would require me removing and modifying the removable rear brake cable stop to allow the entire housing through the stops...all in all - not a deal breaker but just an annoyance. Attachment 323100

    on to the next fun build...I'm building this frame up in purple...anyone know what frameset this is similar to? To me this looks like a Giant frameset. I ordered mine in purple.

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    Hi Guys,
    I need some advice. I built up a CS-092-SL for a friend. She loved it. It's been 2 years. She let her friend on it and the fork snapped from guy trying to do an instant stop at ~20mph.
    Pictures are here https://photos.app.goo.gl/GcFit25CPrBSGjKNA (sorry I can't get the inline uploader to work)
    This looks like a safety-critical defect.

    This was from Peter Xu at carbonspeed. The bike is just ~2months of the 2 year frame warranty. Do you think he'll honor the warranty? Anyone else had disc forks failing under normal use? I'm a bit scared to get a replacement for my friend. Hoping this was a freak defective fork..and the rest are better..bit sketched out that it cracked near the internal cable route point

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolong View Post
    Hi Guys,
    I need some advice. I built up a CS-092-SL for a friend. She loved it. It's been 2 years. She let her friend on it and the fork snapped from guy trying to do an instant stop at ~20mph.
    Pictures are here https://photos.app.goo.gl/GcFit25CPrBSGjKNA (sorry I can't get the inline uploader to work)
    This looks like a safety-critical defect.

    This was from Peter Xu at carbonspeed. The bike is just ~2months of the 2 year frame warranty. Do you think he'll honor the warranty? Anyone else had disc forks failing under normal use? I'm a bit scared to get a replacement for my friend. Hoping this was a freak defective fork..and the rest are better..bit sketched out that it cracked near the internal cable route point
    That is a bad design/manufactured piece of equipment and if itís a standard fork itís extremely dangerous.
    Trying to cram the rest of my life into the rest of my life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT View Post
    That is a bad design/manufactured piece of equipment and if itís a standard fork itís extremely dangerous.
    Agree. Sometimes they take a rim brake design and just add disc mounts and don't take the change of forces into account. This could look like one of those cases. Looks like it's not reinforced to take the load from the disc brakes. Could also just be a bad sample, but you won't find out until another one breaks on you ;)

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    I don't know how anyone could feel comfortable riding that bike with a replacement fork of the same origin.

    To my mind, that entire bike is an ornament.

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