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    Fat-tire road bike?

    I've been looking at gravel bikes recently, and generally like what I see, but all of them cater more to the off-road than I want. Kona had a couple of nice bikes, but not completely what I'm looking for. Here's what I desire:

    Large frame (60cm equivalent), double-butted steel, with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights

    Able to fit ~38mm wide tires (tubeless OK, maybe preferred), but not for huge 45+ wide tires

    Discs front and rear

    Double chainrings, with at least 9-sp rears

    Fender mounting ability

    Carbon or steel fork, with a crown that does NOT look like it came off a hybrid

    Available in the US, under $1500?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I've been looking at gravel bikes recently, and generally like what I see, but all of them cater more to the off-road than I want. Kona had a couple of nice bikes, but not completely what I'm looking for. Here's what I desire:

    Large frame (60cm equivalent), double-butted steel, with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights

    Able to fit ~38mm wide tires (tubeless OK, maybe preferred), but not for huge 45+ wide tires

    Discs front and rear

    Double chainrings, with at least 9-sp rears

    Fender mounting ability

    Carbon or steel fork, with a crown that does NOT look like it came off a hybrid

    Available in the US, under $1500?
    But t'why? Why not just get a nice hardtail mountain bike frame and put fat slicks and road gears on it? I have a late 80s vintage Shogun Prairie Breaker Pro with a lively, stiff frame and twitchy-short wheelbase, built from double-butted Tange co-moly tubing (and no dumb goofy suspension BS that became all the rage in later years). I used this in place of a road bike for years after I stopped riding trails and switched to the road and started riding with guys who had road bikes.

    I used 1.5 inch Pasela road tires and added some smaller cogs in back and a larger big ring in front. Wallah! Road bike with fat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    But t'why? Why not just get a nice hardtail mountain bike frame and put fat slicks and road gears on it?
    He said "with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights".

    I used 1.5 inch Pasela road tires and added some smaller cogs in back and a larger big ring in front. Wallah! Road bike with fat tires.
    Do you mean "voila"?

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    not sure what it means that they cater too much to off road. maybe you just put narrower tires on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    He said "with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights".


    Do you mean "voila"?
    Cyclocross? Toulouse wants a road bike, not a cyclocross. And I neglected to mention that any rebuild of any bike deserves a new BB. Toulouse, get a new BB that meets your specs.

    Wallah is the Merican spelling and pronunciation of voila.

    I'm a Merican. I say wallah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Cyclocross? Toulouse wants a road bike, not a cyclocross. And I neglected to mention that any rebuild of any bike deserves a new BB. Toulouse, get a new BB that meets your specs.
    Yeah, I guess he should...

    Wallah is the Merican spelling and pronunciation of voila.

    I'm a Merican. I say wallah.
    That was my guess. But according to Merriam-Webster dictionary, wallah is ... well, you look it up.

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    Breezer Radar Pro is close.

    Breezer Bikes - Radar Pro - Bike Overview


    As for tires, the new "Road Plus" is quite interesting.

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    FITS CURRENT ENDURANCE FRAMES

    Road Plus retains the same geometry as existing endurance road bikes but adds a high volume, tubeless 650b wheel and tire in place of a 700c. With 650b x 47c Road Plus TCS tires having the same overall wheel diameter as a 700 x 30c tire, it only requires a little more chainstay clearance than a traditional road tire. Pair it to a Ci24 Carbon or KOM i23/i25 650b TCS rim and you have a light, high volume, fast rolling setup without going back to the drawing board for frame design. Visit our Road Plus Fit Chart at wtb.com/pages/road-plus to ensure compatibility with your current frame.
    Check out more frames that'll fit Road Plus and also fit your quota here:

    https://www.wtb.com/pages/road-plus
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    Niner rlt - 853 steel. Some good sale prices occasionally.

    Unless op compromises on components, wheels, and mechanical disc, i don't think less than $1500 is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    Yeah, I guess he should...


    That was my guess. But according to Merriam-Webster dictionary, wallah is ... well, you look it up.
    I did not know that. I guess I'm more of an urban dictionary kind of guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    He said "with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights".


    Do you mean "voila"?
    Mais oui!

    I think he meant "walla", a Hindi word meaning "servant"? Or maybe just half of the town in Washington?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I've been looking at gravel bikes recently, and generally like what I see, but all of them cater more to the off-road than I want. Kona had a couple of nice bikes, but not completely what I'm looking for. Here's what I desire:

    Large frame (60cm equivalent), double-butted steel, with a BB that's not up to cyclocross heights

    Able to fit ~38mm wide tires (tubeless OK, maybe preferred), but not for huge 45+ wide tires

    Discs front and rear

    Double chainrings, with at least 9-sp rears

    Fender mounting ability

    Carbon or steel fork, with a crown that does NOT look like it came off a hybrid

    Available in the US, under $1500?
    Salsa has several, Vaya comes to mind. More than your required tire clearance--but you can use that clearance to run 700x40 WITH fenders. Warbird also comes to mind, but it is more than your budget.

    VAYA GX | Salsa Cycles

    Being Salsa, any QBP LBS can get it. Personally, I'd spend the extra coin and get 105 rather than Apex-but that is me.
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    Thanks for the info. The Breezer looks nice, but the nearest dealer is near Pittsburgh, so scratch that one. The Salsa looks like a possibility, as does one of the 'lesser' Kona Roves.
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    Too old to ride plastic

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    Soma Fog Cutter seems to be angled at pretty much all of your wants in a frameset and you can do either a carbon or steel fork.

    I built up a Lynskey Urbano for all the same reasons other than fenders as I have a commuter that wears fenders all the time. BB may be a tad higher than the gravel bikes but adds to the zippy handling along with the front end not being super high trail. Totally kills it as a roadie with 38 mm Compass Barlow Pass tires.

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    If you can find one i recommend a jamis nova pro cx from 2014-2015.
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    I'll take it! $620 bucks! Flat fork crown, the lightest shock absorber there is. Build it up any way you want.

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