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    LeMond Sarthe or Buenos Aires? or Croix de Fer?

    Hello again.
    Well I started out wanting a steel frame but have been having a hard time finding one in stock and am hestiant to go custom due to price and wanting to demo it first. Today I rode a 57cm Buenos Aires for the first time and really liked it. I don't know if I should go for the carbon though. It is an '07 Buenos Aires for $1600 which is about the same I'd have to pay for an '08 Sarthe (but I can't demo one - would have to order one of the remaining few). I did try a Croix de Fer ('06?) but that was a few days ago but it seemed decent but components were a bit lower quality. Any thoughts on the difference in geometry between the B.A. and Sarthe? Should I give up steel if I like the carbon bike and get a discount? (The '08 B.A. lists for $2400). I haven't riden a road bike in a while but would like to do club rides and maybe a century here and there. Racing seems unlikely. I'm 6 ft tall, 160 lbs and old enough so that a racing geometry hurts my neck/upper back after a couple of hours.

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    Shame that steel is rare these days. I will be picking my Versailles up next month. Light and comfortable. A lot of thought into the frame. Nothing is better for fast club rides and fun centuries than a quality road bike no matter what the frame is made of. LeMond as well as most companies seem to be catering to the non-racer fast cruiser crowd these days with an emphasis on higher head tube and stem. As this season blooms I go through the ritual of training my back to be able to ride in the drops of my 1994 Trek 2200. I am looking forward to the new reach the LeMond has.

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    pyrtwist - what is the difference between the Versailles and the Buenos Aires? From the LeMond website it looks like the geometry and frame material is exactly the same and there are a few minor component upgrades (from 105 to Ultegra). But it doesn't make sense that LeMond would make 2 bikes that are so similar - am I missing something? Did you have any concerns about buying a LeMond even though they're basically going out of business? Due to the Trek connection, I've assumed that any warranty issues won't be a problem but I haven't asked the dealer yet. Also, what other bikes did you consider?

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    The BA's frame is 100 grams lighter. The BA has a better fork, Bontrager Race Carbon instead of the Bontrager Carbon. Also the BA has the next level of wheels. As far as the LeMond/Trek split I have no fears. Trek said they would honor warranties.

    The Versailles will take the place of my current road bike, a 1994 Trek carbon, and I think I can get at least 10 years out of the Versailles before I go for another new bike. I chose it for its looks. Been in love with it since I first saw it. Nice centerfold in the 2007 catalog. Bike porn at its finest

    Sad to see Greg in this mess but in this age of Homeland Security and lawsuits few have the courage to speak their mind. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. I hope Greg can keep his business going.

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    pyrtwist - Agreed - the Versailles is a pretty bike. The B.A. I was looking at is an '07 in red and white - looks great. As to the geometry, how do you think this compares to the Sarthe? I haven't been able to ride them back to back and not really familiar with what is important in looking at geometry specs. I too hope LeMond can keep his company going. My LBS told me that the B.A. carbon is made in the same plant as the Trek plant. Do you know if Trek actually manufactures all recent vintage LeMonds? I do think is it great to speak one's mind but it is hard to support speaking ill of someone (Lance) without hard evidence. I am surprised that Trek dropped him for that although I heard that he was also trying to sell bikes on his own outside the dealer network and that that is what Trek disliked - but who knows? I just like the bike regardless of who's name is on it.

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    I've ridden about every type of frame material made ... if the bike is designed well, it will have a nice ride. That being said, if you liked the BA, go for it! I road that bike and really liked it and it's hard to beat at $1600,

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    The Sarthe has more of a traditional Euro geometry, longer chainstays ect. At least the 07's are completely different than the 07 BA frames.

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    I love my BA it is really comfortable. I have been racing it too and so far I have no real complaints.



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    it's hard to complain with you got full red and carbon hoops
    '09 Voodoo Wazoo
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    1 hour of running = 1 hour of wasted time when you could have been riding. - Alaska Mike

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    yeah the carbon wheels are not what I usually ride but they are very nice ;)

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    Hey Quickfeet,

    Did you just buy it as a framest and build it up, or did you buy the complete bike and upgrade the components?.
    How is it for racing? I am thinking of getting one but have heard some people describe the Lemonds as "slow" bikes, due to the geometry.
    And... is yours a 07 or 08.

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    I bought it complete and then I put on the red. I like it a lot, I wouldn't describe the lemonds as slow at all. I would say that the have a classic geometry, but that is not a bad thing. I think mine feels super fast, but it does take some time getting used to if you didn't come from a traditional frame. It is super nice though, I say go for it.
    Last edited by quickfeet18; 05-02-2008 at 06:55 PM.

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