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    Litespeed.."Arenberg" why so flexy?

    Last summer i picked up a very gently used Litespeed "arenberg" frameset in 60cm.,have always wanted a litespeed frame to build up since the 90's,but as we all know they have always been quite pricey.
    Anyway i now have this frameset al built up with brand new shimano (ultegra) gruppo in frost gray and all of that is spectacular.Oh yeah i forgot to mention that the wheelset was thrown in as extra towards the difference in value to value on a trade of a guitar...both parties are happy with the deal. The first initial ride was not jawdropping like i may have been building it up to be.I have come off riding a "05" Felt F2c and the change is quite different,but in fairness i should give it this full summers attention and see what happens.It seems this Ti frame is a bit flexy,whether it's from the bottom bracket area or the Mavic(cosmic elites) or just the fact that @ 220#'s maybe more spokes are in order...don't know!...somewhere i heard that the arenberg frameset was a entry-level frameset for those looking to get into a Litespeed on the cheap...don't know!....this frameset was such a good trade for deal i could'nt pass it up and i surely don't feel like it's a pile of @#$% afterall it is a Litespeed....love the satin finish offset with gray components.Just like to get some of your opinions on this frameset as a complete bike....sorry to long wind it!!....and thanxs in advance!

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    Ti frames are flexy, homey. Twice the weight of aluminum, half the strength of steel.

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    Damn!...homey. I thought it was the other way around,but it looks "spectacular and it is Real"...that may explain why my 90's Schwinn 960 racer was rock solid in the flex dept. That may also explain why Litespeed now makes a pile of carbon bikes.
    I figured if Ti. was good enough in jet fighters,why not flying down some blacktop.
    Could it be how they are welded up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinman View Post
    Damn!...homey. I thought it was the other way around,but it looks "spectacular and it is Real"...that may explain why my 90's Schwinn 960 racer was rock solid in the flex dept. That may also explain why Litespeed now makes a pile of carbon bikes.
    I figured if Ti. was good enough in jet fighters,why not flying down some blacktop.
    Could it be how they are welded up?
    Nah, Ti is known to be flexy. I'm sure it could be eliminated with oversize tubing, but that look doesn't appeal to the demo that buys Ti. The flex isn't making you any slower though, so just ride it and see if you start to like it...

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    Thanxs Rebel..dude.Oh ride it i will!

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    If I am not mistaken the Arenberg was made to be flexy. Arenberg is a section of cobble stones in the Paris Roubaix. So the Arenberg bike was made to be smooth over the rough stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    Ti frames are flexy, homey. Twice the weight of aluminum, half the strength of steel.
    Gross exageration. Titanium is ~170% the density of aluminium, and ~80% the strength of steel, giving it the highest strength to weight ratio of any metal. Whether a titanium frame is flexy or not depends on how it was designed. My own Ti frame is rather stiff.

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    Let's see:

    - older, "lightly used" Ti frame: check
    - made by Litespeed: check
    - rider weighs 220lbs: check

    Noodle-city, dude! You hit all the important milestones. Hells yeah it's gonna flex!

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    Well i'm sure as hell not going to run the cobbles of the arenberg forest anytime soon so i'll will try and give it a go and "Love it,or List it.
    thanxs all!!!

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    Because titanium is less dense than steel, it will flex more if the tube diameters are equal. The same is true of carbon, which is why your Felt F2c has tubes much larger than the Arenberg's. Increasing the diameter of the F2c's tubes greatly improves it's resistance to flex.

    Your wheels aren't the problem.

    As long as the flex doesn't cause handling issues or ghost shifting, you should be fine but yeah; at 220lbs. that frame is kind of underbuilt for you.

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    I had a Litespeed Classic back in the 90's. When I was a 185# racer, the 60cm frame was stiff enough, it was not as stiff as the Raleigh 753 it replaced, but my riding style at the time was to look for a break away or take a flyer with 1-2K remaining. After I got married and settled down a little, I got up to 225# and it was a completely different riding bike, a noodle. I ended up selling it in 98 and buying a Merckx MX Leader.
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    There's a good chance i'll be going back to carbon fiber unless someone has a terrific alternative to this frameset, but i had such high expectations for this bike. oh well the search goes on. How about a Serrota in ti. or combo with carbon fiber?...i'm kinda bummed,no actually really bummed!...should'a done better homework. I will work it out!...just believed these Ti. bikes were the @#%&.

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    You bought the 'wrong' bike. The Arenberg was designed to be sort of a rough-road, all day bike, not a sprinter or climber. There are plenty of Ti bikes that aren't 'flexy', though that's a relative term. Flex, in and of itself, isn't bad but your perception of the Litespeed is colored by your experience with your Felt.



    Quote Originally Posted by Spinman View Post
    There's a good chance i'll be going back to carbon fiber unless someone has a terrific alternative to this frameset, but i had such high expectations for this bike. oh well the search goes on. How about a Serrota in ti. or combo with carbon fiber?...i'm kinda bummed,no actually really bummed!...should'a done better homework. I will work it out!...just believed these Ti. bikes were the @#%&.
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    Dave...you hit all the marks right and also i had this desire since the 90's to own a Litespeed,but not taking into consideration that some of the frame types were rider specific.This frameset came along at the right time for some of the wrong reasons. I basically use this bike as a commuter in ptld. and have not yet taken it on a long ride where it is believed to be a better bike. Maybe a real stout set of wheels will stiffen things up some....other than that it's a helluva bike!
    selling it in the event i just can't deal with some of the issues is not a problem,just hate to see the money invested disappear.
    Are the Serrotta Ti./carbon frames worth a look at?
    Thanxs to all for your input..........love the forum!

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    Litespeed.."Arenberg" why so flexy?

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    Yeah!...but everywhere you look these days all you see are carbon bikes.I just wanted to stay old school awhile longer and get the stare of WOW! from all the carbon kids out there that don't see Titanium bikes much.Besides this bike i have does'nt get beat on hardly at all,but it's nice to know that when the goin gets tuff i'll arrive with my fillings still intact.......stll lookin for some Serrotta love!
    Thanxs everybody!

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    Spinman, as good as Serotta are and and much as I really like Serottas, you may run into the same problem as with the Litespeed. Your weight puts you at a fair disadvantage when it comes to buying used bikes, even high-end makes. The average customer at, say, Serotta isn't 220# and if the bike was made for a lighter rider (most likely) you're sort of back at square 1.

    I'd tell you to borrow a set of stiff wheels and put them on your Litespeed to what kind of difference they make. It may be just the ticket. Or you could learn how to ride the Litespeed like it was intended to be ridden. You shouldn't really compare it to your Felt; two different bikes for two different purposes.
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    The comparison to the felt is not a fair one it was just a comparison.You are right about learning to ride the bike to it's potential and limitations and maybe somewhere down the road i just won't give it a second thought...maybe!..the wheels on it now are Mavic cosmic elites w/bladed spokes and still very true.But just with this forums input on the subject i've come to the realization that i will adjust my riding style to the bike,not the other way around...so if you have a good suggestion of wheels,spoke count,hubs,carbon clincher kinda stuff,or not aero at all,that would be some good ammo for my search....actually the guy i got the mavic's from is my wgt.also and said...he did'nt have a problem with either wheels or bike.Maybe he too had to adjust his riding style to the bike. I may in my travels take this bike over some not so friendly blacktop and see if the ride is as compliant as it was intended for.
    It just such a sweet looking bike that in hind sight i was hoping it to deliver in all catagories,but i do realize some not all bikes can be one dimensional...i'll be fine and drop some LB's in the process........thx's

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    I think the idea of the importance of "stiffness" has been oversold by bike companies looking to justify a sale. Bikes are going to feel different and if you are riding carbon bikes you are going to be used to the feel of a carbon bike. That doesn't mean the Litespeed isn't performing just as well. See how it feels after a while. You may like what it does for you further down the road.

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    I believe you are right about the marketing of bikes,you know: this bike is stiff yet compliant over rough roads,and this bike does that. It's a sales ploy to a point. Everybody wants a certain color or a certain kind of components,what does the bike weigh...etc. Like myself,i was looking for a litespeed to give me a more stiffer ride,but as a general bike enthusiast and commuter i believe that this bike with maybe a stouter set of wheels may stiffin it up a bit....any suggestions on said wheels would help....thxs.

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    Trying to make this feel stiffer will only diminish the good things about it's ride. Ti is sought after because it makes comfortable riding frames. This is your all-day cruiser and nasty weather bike. A sprinter, it will never be but why would anyone who isn't a criterium specialist want that?
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    You are correct sir! It is a bike i can learn to live with afterall any thoughts of becoming a criterium racer or sprinter went out the door back when i was 30yrs young,now 56 and still lovin riding we just commute and try to keep up with the young lungs,,Ha! ha!..can't and won't make it do something it can't. I'm good with that!
    Takin it for a spin..man!

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    I just bought a Serotta Colorado Ti - probably mid 90s. I weigh 226 and took it for a spin today. No flex here. I am no sprinter or a climber, but it had a sweet ride to it. I don't have nor have I ridden a full carbon frame bike. I have no desire to either. I am 58 YO and not inclined to race. I ride for fitness and pleasure.

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    We are the same age and have the same approach to riding,if it ain't enjoyable...move on to something else.Those are sweet rides from serotta,the only other Ti. bike i would consider...besides when you go on a ride and someone pulls up to you or you draft them and slide on by and they see that Ti. bike you are on,they take that everybody's got one carbon bike of theirs and head for the titanium dealer.....well we can only hope!......easy carbon dudes & dudet's no offense,i happen to still like carbon.
    Great thing about america....we are all different and have a plethora of choices.
    Pretty cool!.......enjoy that Serotta my man!
    Happy Trails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinman View Post
    r...besides when you go on a ride and someone pulls up to you or you draft them and slide on by and they see that Ti. bike you are on,they take that everybody's got one carbon bike of theirs and head for the titanium dealer....
    Har! There's an equally likely (perhaps more likely) chance they'll think, look at that Luddite dork on the Ti bike... just sayin'.

    I have a Ti bike, really like it, and it's the most flexible among my three road bikes, the others being CF and Al...of course that's as much due to the design and implementation as it is the material. It's also the heaviest.
    ... 'cuz that's how I roll.

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