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    Campy Record 11 vs Campy Super Record 11

    Is the difference between the 2 worth the money?

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    It's not to me. I don't feel the need for the CULT bearings on the crank and I buy only steel-cog Chorus 11 cassettes that cost about 1/3 the price of an SR cassette that will last half as long.

    The remaining differences are really trivial weight reductions from a few Ti bolts and the back side of the RD cage changed to carbon.

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    No

    ......for the handful of grams you save. The best way to go is Chorus. CULT bearing spin smoother, but Campy's not like SHIMANO, where standard bearing units run like they're lubed with molasses.

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    Yes the bearing on crank set it's worth it to me.
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    If you have the money for the SR 11 and you want the bling than do it. If you are being dollar conscious then I would go with the Chorus 11 honestly. I have 2 bikes with SR 11 they ride great. When I had my Colnago I built it with Chorus and honestly it rode every bit as good.
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    I got a great deal on SR11 under $2K and the noticed the crank set is much better than my Si crank from Cannondale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni
    Yes the bearing on crank set it's worth it to me.
    If someone's main priority in purchasing Super Record is the CULT bearings, they could just get a Chorus group, purchase the CULT bearings separately, and have them installed on Chorus cranks.

    That way, you get the great bearings with just a bit more money, and save a bunch over the SR.

    Want to save a little weight? Swap the Chorus calipers for Record. That's a decent $/gram upgrade. Don't bother with SR calipers - very marginal weight savings over Record.

    Need to save more weight? Then you would look at changing out the cassette to a Ti version, but at a very detrimental sacrifice in longevity.

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    I'm a novice when it comes to some of the small stuff, but aren't most of the bearings in the bottom bracket? On competitive cyclist, the SR only adds a few bucks to the Record package.

    I'm planning on ordering Record, minus the breaks. I was planning on some Zero Gravity instead, which are lighter and about the same price, surprisingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade2you
    I'm a novice when it comes to some of the small stuff, but aren't most of the bearings in the bottom bracket? On competitive cyclist, the SR only adds a few bucks to the Record package.

    I'm planning on ordering Record, minus the breaks. I was planning on some Zero Gravity instead, which are lighter and about the same price, surprisingly.
    If you're debating between Record and Super Record you're splitting some SMALL hairs. There will be no real world difference. If you have to have the SR decal on your components go for it, but don't try and say it's gonna make any difference that anyone but a computer could detect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    If you're debating between Record and Super Record you're splitting some SMALL hairs. There will be no real world difference. If you have to have the SR decal on your components go for it, but don't try and say it's gonna make any difference that anyone but a computer could detect.
    Gotcha. I kind of figured that. Since the SR BB is only a few bucks more (according to competitivecyclist.com), would it be a worthy investment?

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    Not to mention SR had the most ceramic bearing on shifters & RD as well, I'm not into the weight things just prefer the quality and performance of the grouppo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spade2you
    Gotcha. I kind of figured that. Since the SR BB is only a few bucks more (according to competitivecyclist.com), would it be a worthy investment?
    I think so...if I had the oppotunity to get either group I'd be happy. If the cost isn't much more for SR then it's a no-brainer to get that. In reality, I'd probably opt for Chorus 11 and pocket the extra money.
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    After doing all the research and talking to people that knows campy, I have decided to go for SR. I am not really concern much about the weight difference, but the longetivity are worth the money.

    Thanks to all the reply.

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    Where has it been suggested to you that this longevity would come from, the CULT bearings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kytyree
    Where has it been suggested to you that this longevity would come from, the CULT bearings?
    Dude wants SR and has the money for it. I have no problem with that. Any real world benefit of SR over Record or even Chorus is gonna largely be cosmetic and/or in the rider's head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    Dude wants SR and has the money for it. I have no problem with that. Any real world benefit of SR over Record or even Chorus is gonna largely be cosmetic and/or in the rider's head.

    You're reading too much into my question.

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    longevity???

    The SR cogs will last half as long in addition to cost much more. You can buy a new pair of CULT BB bearings for half the price of an SR cassette and install them AFTER the original bearings have seen years of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni
    Not to mention SR had the most ceramic bearing on shifters & RD as well, I'm not into the weight things just prefer the quality and performance of the grouppo.
    Ceramic bearings in the shifters? This doesn't sound right to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni
    Not to mention SR had the most ceramic bearing on shifters & RD as well, I'm not into the weight things just prefer the quality and performance of the grouppo.

    There are NO ceramic bearings in the shifters. Even the Record RD has ceramic bushings in the RD pulleys. SR only changes the lower pulley bushing to a ball bearing.

    No one could ever tell any performance difference from the bearings in the crank or RD while riding the bike.
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    The pros race Record, IIRC. Even the guys paid to ride bikes don't need SR.

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    For sure Cadel Evans set up is SR11 this year.
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    Well, I ended buying a Campy SR 11 because I got good deal. $1900.00 to my door.

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    You got a great deal for that price.
    My next vehicle would be a zamboni
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    2009 Super Six HM (Super Record 11)
    2007 Systems Six (Record 10)
    2008 Caad 9 (Centaur 10)
    2004 Caad 7 ( sold )
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni
    You got a great deal for that price.
    Thank you!

    I thought so. My LBS wants $2600.00 for this group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade2you
    I'm a novice when it comes to some of the small stuff, but aren't most of the bearings in the bottom bracket? On competitive cyclist, the SR only adds a few bucks to the Record package.

    I'm planning on ordering Record, minus the breaks. I was planning on some Zero Gravity instead, which are lighter and about the same price, surprisingly.
    Sounds like you are a novice all the way. The bottom bracket contains 2 bearings, not sure if you classify that as "most" or not... They are the largest bearings in the group.

    BTW, you are ordering Record minus "brakes", not breaks.

    Velonews (Zinn) did a test and concluded there is a very slight reduction with wattage utilizing ceramic bearings but it was unappreciable in the real world. I'd have more respect if people just 'fessed up that they had to have SR11 because it says SR11 rather than some of the suggestions floated here about talking to a friend of a friend who knew somebody that may have perused a Campy catalog back in 1986...

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