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    Your comment seems unplaced but whatever. I actually bought my C59 from Mike very nice to deal with great guy. Was going to buy C60 from him but after riding both R5 and C60 decided the R5 suited me more for what I was looking for. Just say a picture of World Tour Team Sponsored by Colnago riding C60 with none other than direct mount brakes front and rear. When Colnago comes out with their new rides for 2018 I'm thinking direct mount will be the C60 upgrade plus different colors. I will at that time call Mike to place an order. Really like DM brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gofast2wheeler View Post
    Your comment seems unplaced but whatever.
    ????

    Someone else here said don't try to buy an Asian made frame from him, so you can probably guess what his opinion of them are. His son raced on a Cervelo (sponsor) recently.

    I think I'd rather have a C59 than a C60. It's too bad they don't come with the cool paint jobs anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    ????

    Someone else here said don't try to buy an Asian made frame from him, so you can probably guess what his opinion of them are. His son raced on a Cervelo (sponsor) recently.

    I think I'd rather have a C59 than a C60. It's too bad they don't come with the cool paint jobs anymore.
    I own both a C59 and a C60. Both are excellent bikes.

    The purchase of the C60 was, admittedly, a "vanity" thing. I bought it last year, when I turned 60. When they come out with a C80, I will buy that too.

    I like the C59 in the PR99 color scheme, very clean and simple.

    The MHWH color scheme in my C60 is not exactly my favorite, but the paint job itself is great.

    I do love the AD11 color scheme in the Master. Visually it is very attractive, like an old customized car. I often find myself staring at the little painted rider on the top tube.

    Mike's principal beef about Asian-made bikes (including Colnago's) is that they are not very sturdy and are over-priced (for what they cost to make). Mike has been around for a very long time and I trust his judgment and opinions. He is not a "fan boy" spouting off; he is a seasoned professional with a deep knowledge and wide understanding of cycling and cycling equipment.

    YMMV.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    Ask him if Cervelo makes good bikes
    Why would I ask him? I have no interest in getting a Cervelo? I am sorry, but I missed your point.
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    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    He once told me that all Pinarellos are made in China -- who on earth would buy one? I think what he meant is why pay a premium price for a Colnago or Pinarello that's made in the Giant Bicycle factory in Taiwan when you can get the same thing with a different decal for half the price? I agree with that. To me, the only currently made Colnagos that are real Colnagos are the Master, Arabesque and the C60. I'm not saying good bikes aren't made at the Giant Bicycle factory, because they are. If it says Colnago on it, I want it to be made in Italy. It has that Italian panache. Kind of like the Eddy Merckx Corsa 01 I have. Made by craftsmen in Belgium. Sadly, that is going away, and that's what I resent about most bikes being churned out in big Asian factories.

    Hey Bot -- I was thinking about getting a C60 from Mike, but read that it has a proprietary BB type bottom bracket -- I hate those things. What's your experience? Is that true. Does it squeak? For that reason alone, I'd prefer a C59 (is there really much difference?). BTW -- my wife has an art decor C40, and I like the hand pumping rider on the top tube. I got one in OOF which I kind of regret. Wish I'd gone Mapei or Geo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    He once told me that all Pinarellos are made in China -- who on earth would buy one? I think what he meant is why pay a premium price for a Colnago or Pinarello that's made in the Giant Bicycle factory in Taiwan when you can get the same thing with a different decal for half the price? I agree with that. To me, the only currently made Colnagos that are real Colnagos are the Master, Arabesque and the C60. I'm not saying good bikes aren't made at the Giant Bicycle factory, because they are. If it says Colnago on it, I want it to be made in Italy. It has that Italian panache. Kind of like the Eddy Merckx Corsa 01 I have. Made by craftsmen in Belgium. Sadly, that is going away, and that's what I resent about most bikes being churned out in big Asian factories.

    Hey Bot -- I was thinking about getting a C60 from Mike, but read that it has a proprietary BB type bottom bracket -- I hate those things. What's your experience? Is that true. Does it squeak? For that reason alone, I'd prefer a C59 (is there really much difference?). BTW -- my wife has an art decor C40, and I like the hand pumping rider on the top tube. I got one in OOF which I kind of regret. Wish I'd gone Mapei or Geo.

    I am not a very "accomplished" rider. At 61 years young, my best riding days are behind me. But I do ride a lot, so here it goes.

    The C59 is a great bike. It is a good climber and responds quickly to acceleration. The handling is secure and never twitchy, even when going fast downhill.

    The C59 is a solid bike. Last year I crashed against a wall during a ride in the rain. I broke my right hand small finger in several places. The C59 was not even scratched.

    The C60 is just more of the same. The big, fat BB is very responsive during stand on the pedals sprints or hill climbing. The C60, like the C59, is stable and steady during fast descents.

    Both bikes are extremely fun to ride.

    I understand your concerns about the propietary BB, for me it is not a big issue. The BB in the C60 does not squeak or make other noises. Proper installation is the key I guess.

    The Master is a LOT of fun to ride. It climbs well and it accelerates almost as quickly as the C59 or the C60. In an interesting note, even though the Bottecchia and the Master are both old school steel frame bike, the Master feels more agile. Give credit to Ernesto's "black magic" frame design and building.

    The color scheme in the Master is gorgeous. That little rider on the top tube is "inspirational."

    One day I would like to add a C40 to my riding stable.

    Hope this answered your question.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Thanks. I figured that the C-59 and C-60 are pretty similar. I just refurbished my C-40 (see my post in this sub forum). Everything new except the seat post/saddle and the pedals. I had the frame clear coated and blemishes removed. It looks and rides like a new bike.

    I was riding a carbon bike back when 'steel is real'. In 1992, I bought a Kestrel 200 Sci. It was considered an exotic bike and/or laughed at as a 'plastic' bike. Pro riders would never consider riding such a flexy bike frame material. I'm sure all those 'experts', if they still ride bikes, are riding carbon bikes.

    In 2011, on a lark, I bought a used Eddy Merckx 01 Corsa that had been newly repainted. I put silver Campy Athena on it to give it that retro look. It has an incredible ride. Last year I bought a Colnago Arabesque frame from Maestro. Drop dead gorgeous. I've been riding the Arabesque a lot this year and it handles just as you say (it's basically a Master with fancy lug work). That Merckx has magic in it too. Merckx and Colnago worked together earlier in Eddyy Merckx's career, and I think they had the same ideas about bike frame geometry. I like to think Maybe Eddy touched it at the factory. It was one of the last steel frames (1996) to come out of his factory in Belgium. Sadly, craftsmanship like this will soon be relegated to niche builders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post

    He told me that Giant owns 40% of Colnago, and when Ernesto dies, his relatives will sell off the rest of the company "and that'll be it". .
    Somebody in the high ranks at Colnago HQ here in italy told me this is completely false. Your LBS is a complete moron and I would drop it right away. The usual american way to conduct business....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Somebody in the high ranks at Colnago HQ here in italy told me this is completely false. Your LBS is a complete moron and I would drop it right away. The usual american way to conduct business....
    That information DID NOT come from an LBS nor from an American. I am not going to comment on your anti-American bias. I will let it stand for its obvious nature.

    I will, however, ask you to identify the source of your "high ranks" information at Colnago. As Americans like to say, put up or shut up.

    Grazie.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Somebody in the high ranks at Colnago HQ here in italy told me this is completely false. Your LBS is a complete moron and I would drop it right away. The usual american way to conduct business....
    I'm just relaying what Mike at Maestro told me. He's been in the bike business selling Colnagos for decades. Unfortunately, not my LBS being he's on the other side of the Atlantic (in the UK) from me. Most of their production is in Taiwan at the Giant bicycle factory (ask your high ranking source after he gets done cleaning the bathrooms). I could see all their production going there -- which for me would be kind of a shame. The usual American way to conduct business? WTF does that mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    I'm just relaying what Mike at Maestro told me. He's been in the bike business selling Colnagos for decades. Unfortunately, not my LBS being he's on the other side of the Atlantic (in the UK) from me. Most of their production is in Taiwan at the Giant bicycle factory (ask your high ranking source after he gets done cleaning the bathrooms). I could see all their production going there -- which for me would be kind of a shame. The usual American way to conduct business? WTF does that mean?
    Well,look like this forum is 99% american,therefore my immediate *****ing. I've been there often while living in the USA, "it doesn't matter what it takes,just sell it at whatever cost" mentality. If the LBS we're talking about is not US based I do apologize. That said,the 49% Colnago owned by Giant is total bs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Well,look like this forum is 99% american,therefore my immediate *****ing. I've been there often while living in the USA, "it doesn't matter what it takes,just sell it at whatever cost" mentality. If the LBS we're talking about is not US based I do apologize. That said,the 49% Colnago owned by Giant is total bs...
    Here's his web site -- Colnago Racing Cycles | Road Bike Frames | Maestro UK

    It's in the UK. Maybe in the future, you should read an entire post to avoid making a fool of yourself. How's that old American saying go -- better to keep your mouth shut and be assumed to be an idiot, then to open it and remove all doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    I'm just relaying what Mike at Maestro told me. He's been in the bike business selling Colnagos for decades. Unfortunately, not my LBS being he's on the other side of the Atlantic (in the UK) from me. Most of their production is in Taiwan at the Giant bicycle factory (ask your high ranking source after he gets done cleaning the bathrooms). I could see all their production going there -- which for me would be kind of a shame. The usual American way to conduct business? WTF does that mean?
    Good one.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
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    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Well,look like this forum is 99% american,therefore my immediate *****ing. I've been there often while living in the USA, "it doesn't matter what it takes,just sell it at whatever cost" mentality. If the LBS we're talking about is not US based I do apologize. That said,the 49% Colnago owned by Giant is total bs...
    I love how many of you Europeans are always trashing the USA; except, of course, when it comes time to ask for USA help in bailing you out.

    I have MANY friends in Europe, Italy included; they are like brothers to me. I love Italian bikes (see my "stable" below. Hell I love most Italian things, including their women.

    But it makes me wonder when I see generalized, idiotic comments like you made about the American business mentality. It is not like you Italianos can lay claim to the high road when doing business.

    Next time stick to facts and forget the generalizations, unless, of course, you have concrete facts to prove 'em.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottecchia_eja View Post
    I love how many of you Europeans are always trashing the USA; except, of course, when it comes time to ask for USA help in bailing you out.

    I have MANY friends in Europe, Italy included; they are like brothers to me. I love Italian bikes (see my "stable" below. Hell I love most Italian things, including their women.

    But it makes me wonder when I see generalized, idiotic comments like you made about the American business mentality. It is not like you Italianos can lay claim to the high road when doing business.

    Next time stick to facts and forget the generalizations, unless, of course, you have concrete facts to prove 'em.
    Right,the bailing out story. STFU,will you ? Coglione..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Right,the bailing out story. STFU,will you ? Coglione..
    Hit a vulnerable spot, eh paisan?

    Well, if you are going to take the low road then, mangiare la mia merda!
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    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
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    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottecchia_eja View Post
    Hit a vulnerable spot, eh paisan?

    Well, if you are going to take the low road then, mangiare la mia merda!
    You don't even know how to spell it,it spells " mangia la mia merda" . Let me know if you need a world map,I bet like most americans you don't even know where italy is. " Paris is in Florence,right ? " my boss in San Francisco back in '00. San Francisco,not Texarkana. Epic facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    You don't even know how to spell it,it spells " mangia la mia merda" . Let me know if you need a world map,I bet like most americans you don't even know where italy is. " Paris is in Florence,right ? " my boss in San Francisco back in '00. San Francisco,not Texarkana. Epic facepalm.
    Yeah, but most Italians know where America is on a world map. I think this reflects the relative importance of our countries in the world as much as anything. Ask most Euros how long it takes to drive from New York to Los Angeles and they'll tell you a couple days. I can find Italy on a map, but maybe not Latvia.

    The perfect war -- German troops, British officers, American equipment, and the Italians as the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    Yeah, but most Italians know where America is on a world map. I think this reflects the relative importance of our countries in the world as much as anything. Ask most Euros how long it takes to drive from New York to Los Angeles and they'll tell you a couple days. I can find Italy on a map, but maybe not Latvia.

    The perfect war -- German troops, British officers, American equipment, and the Italians as the enemy.
    pmf, I was going to reply to our friendly paisan. After reading your reply, however, you have accomplished everything that I wanted to accomplish in my reply and you did it in a wittier, more succinct, manner.

    Congratulations and thanks.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
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    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottecchia_eja View Post
    pmf, I was going to reply to our friendly paisan. After reading your reply, however, you have accomplished everything that I wanted to accomplish in my reply and you did it in a wittier, more succinct, manner.

    Congratulations and thanks.
    yeah when it comes the need to compensate for something play it the military way,USA always win there. Very american,I like it.
    And I like the american equipment too,good for friendly fire . But ehy, maybe in german hands it may work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    yeah when it comes the need to compensate for something play it the military way,USA always win there. Very american,I like it.
    And I like the american equipment too,good for friendly fire . But ehy, maybe in german hands it may work.
    Ouch! That really hurts. You are a witty guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    yeah when it comes the need to compensate for something play it the military way,USA always win there. Very american,I like it.
    And I like the american equipment too,good for friendly fire . But ehy, maybe in german hands it may work.
    Little dogs bark the loudest.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia--Campy Athena 11 sp
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike--Shimano XTR
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme--Campy record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago C60 in MHWH color scheme--Campy Record 11 sp
    2016 Colnago Master in AD11 color scheme--Campy Record 11sp.

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    wow this thread went downhill rapidly
    All the gear and no idea

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    Just bought a C60 from Maestro and it worked out great. Mike is quick to respond to emails and nice to talk to on the phone. It was well packed for shipping to Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmarsden View Post
    Just bought a C60 from Maestro and it worked out great. Mike is quick to respond to emails and nice to talk to on the phone. It was well packed for shipping to Canada.
    I'm jealous. Can you post some pictures? The Colnago frame I got from him came in the factory box and was well packed.

    I'm curious about the bottom bracket. It's an over size pressed in set up? Is it a standard size and you can use a Praxis, or is it proprietary

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