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    Master X Lite Tubing

    I'm sure I'm behind the curve here, but I've just noticed that the frame is now made from "Colnago DT-15V Steel" dropping the word Columbus. Does anyone know if that means that the tubing is no longer drawn by Columbus? And if not who is the current supplier?

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    See my response below!
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    Thanks for that. I think that they should have left a Columbus sticker on it though.......

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    Agreed.

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    Columbus is no longer providing any tubes - "their" tube are made in Asia. Columbus as it was known - does no longer exsist. Unfortunatelly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj3200
    Thanks for that. I think that they should have left a Columbus sticker on it though.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComesAtime
    Current Master XL's don't have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMCUSA
    Columbus is no longer providing any tubes - "their" tube are made in Asia. Columbus as it was known - does no longer exsist. Unfortunatelly.
    Got any proof or should we just take your word?

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    My guess is tha BMC USA might just know a bit more about Colnago than, well, anyone in North America and likely more than alot of people who work for Colnago in Italy.
    Just my guess though.
    PS glad to see you landed on your feet. Good luck with BMC.

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    So I'm returning with more information today - and retracting my previous statement too. Colnago is no longer getting tubing from Columbus, but is staying with Italian-made steel tubing from Milano. The specs exactly match last year's DT15V tubing and have the same blend of chromium, molybdenum, and vanadium.
    Also my guess is that Colnago USA knows more about Colnago than, well, anyone else. BMCUSA was right too.

    Just spoke with Ben from Cinelli and Fabrizio (spelling?) from Columbus, who are both at the show in Richmond right now.
    Here's the scoop:
    -All steel and alloy tubesets are being manufactured in Italy, with exception to two (see below)
    -No new production has been transferred to Taiwan
    -2 new entry-level steel tubesets (Chromoly, seamed) are being designed by Columbus and produced in Taiwan and Japan starting this year
    -Several carbon tubesets are made in Taiwan following Columbus design, standards
    -Colnago's DT15V tubeset is no longer purchased from Columbus, thus the lack of Columbus sticker
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    So we don't know who makes this "Italian steel tubing from Milano." We have no idea where the tubing for the latest MXLs come from. Could be Milan. Could be Taipei. Could be Guangdong. Could be Mumbai, Delhi or Banglore... still "Asia" (where *a lot* of steel comes from.. Accelor-Mittal is the largest steel company in the world... based in Luxembourg and 100% Indian). Who knows? This is just as bad as Columbus tubing that is made in Taiwan and the ever so mysterious supplier of carbon for the EPS.

    What is happening to Colnago??

    I know I ain't buying another bike till I get to the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iyeoh
    So we don't know who makes this "Italian steel tubing from Milano." We have no idea where the tubing for the latest MXLs come from. Could be Milan. Could be Taipei. Could be Guangdong. Could be Mumbai, Delhi or Banglore... still "Asia" (where *a lot* of steel comes from.. Accelor-Mittal is the largest steel company in the world... based in Luxembourg and 100% Indian). Who knows? This is just as bad as Columbus tubing that is made in Taiwan and the ever so mysterious supplier of carbon for the EPS.

    What is happening to Colnago??

    I know I ain't buying another bike till I get to the truth.
    Are you never buying another bike, or just not buying a Colnago until you get the truth? If you are never buying another bike until you get the truth about Colnago, you had better take really good care of the bikes you have right now. Me, I've been looking at a Tommasini in steel instead of the Colnago Master, but I really love the PR82 color scheme. Thing is, I really like the red, white, and green of the Tommasini. Decisions, decisions. Not to mention the Tommasini is like $600 to $700 cheaper than the Colnago Master.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabsroman
    Are you never buying another bike, or just not buying a Colnago until you get the truth? If you are never buying another bike until you get the truth about Colnago, you had better take really good care of the bikes you have right now. Me, I've been looking at a Tommasini in steel instead of the Colnago Master, but I really love the PR82 color scheme. Thing is, I really like the red, white, and green of the Tommasini. Decisions, decisions. Not to mention the Tommasini is like $600 to $700 cheaper than the Colnago Master.
    Like I said, I have the Sarroni steel frame set aside for me at R&A with a significant deposit. I have refused to build up that frame until I get the low down, and nobody seems to have any answers. I'll get my money back if I so choose. Five steel Colangos came from that shop.

    I sure baby all my steel Colnagos, plus those my dad passed down to me. I intend to give all the bikes to my son, and then his kids. They are irreplaceable.

    I rode a 1990 Tommasini Diamante Columbus MS for a while, but it wasn't mine. My gf in grad business school rode the same size frame. Tommasinis are beautiful bikes. They handle differently, so you may want to think about that. More of the DeRosa/Merckx relaxed handling geometry.

    I crack up when I see a Colnago in Merckx Molteni. The Colnago geometry was precisely why Merckx switched to DeRosa after just two years. He loved Colnago built bikes, but he didn't dig the short top tubes and Merckx always believed the long top tube and shorter stem and relaxed tube angles (DeRosa) would descend better than the short top tube and long stem (Colnago). Whatever.

    Forget about which is cheaper. You have Italian blood. As much as you buy with your head, buy with your heart. Follow where your heart leads you.

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    Materials

    In the 'Overview' section on the 'Materials' tab of the Colnago website, the carbon source is stated as 'Toraya:'

    "The immense strength and versatility of carbon fiber has made it the most popular material for top-quality road racing bicycles. We use Toraya carbon fiber in a variety of grades and types according to the specific requirements of the frame or component.

    Our one-piece (monocoque) frames use pre-preg carbon cloth, laser-aligned in a mould and heated under pressure to form a seamless, strong, light unit.

    The EPS family uses lugged carbon construction which allows for tremendous versatility - it's the only way to offer 22 different sizes and custom options for a carbon fiber bicycle that fits perfectly."

    Presumably this is the same manufacturer of carbon that is prevalent in the construction of Pinarellos; 'the world's best carbon.' And Felt: 'the F1C has the far-superior Torayca M30 UHM carbon-same grade as some spacecraft.'

    http://www.toray.com/products/carbon/car_002.html

    Part of the 'A Team' thang:

    http://www.bike-eu.com/public/file/a...bik008z017.pdf

    There's no mention of in-house carbon manufacture at Colnago, although the frames do seem to be assembled at Cambiago. Perhaps they buy in the prepreg and form lugs and tubes themselves? With ATR no longer around, this seems a sensible alternative.

    All conjecture. Seems to make a great product in the end!


    No clue about the steel origins...

    "The first Colnago bicycles were made from steel and so steel is still close to our heart. The Master X-Light's Columbus DT15V tubing gets its strength from chromium, molybdenum and vanadium alloying elements and is butted and shaped to our exact specifications."

    Sam
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    Could it be DEDACCIAI s.r.l.
    Sede Legale: Piazza Amendola, 3
    20149 Milano (MI) - Italy?

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    Could be lots of things if they farmed the production out.

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    I meant as a tubing supplier. I can't think of any others in Italy off hand and they are claiming their supplier is based in Milan.

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    That's it...the carbon fiber comes from Toray.

    COLNAGO'S CARBON FIBER IS JAPANESE...

    Toray Industries is based in Nihonbashi-Muromachi, Tokyo in the Nihonbashi Mitsui Tower. I know because I have been to that building personally.

    No thanks. I will never ever buy a Colnago carbon bike ever... might as well switch to S-brand DI2.

    As for the Milan based supplier of steel, for all we know, it could be the Milan distributor's office of China Steel Corp. (Taiwan) or Mittal Steel (India) or Pohang Iron and Steel (South Korea).


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    Yeah I think we are at the end of some kind of era.

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    Geneva, 20th February 2010

    The Rolak Corporation, the manufacturer of the world's finest timepieces, has announced that it will be shifting its manufacturing from Geneva to Sierra Leone, which has a highly skilled French-speaking workforce that is in abundant supply (as soon as Rolak removes all the AK-47 rifles), thus reducing Rolak's expense base and improving cost efficiency.

    In the interest of supplying the best time pieces, Rolak will discontinue the use of its proprietary self winding movements and instead use cost-effective quartz movements to be supplied in bulk by the Saiko Company and Cazio Corporation of Japan. These quartz movements have been proven for decades to be far more accurate than Rolak's self winding movements anyway.

    Rolak's timepiece collection will be streamlined into two product groups: with diamonds, and without diamonds. The diamond collection will have Swiss Crosses on the bezel, the watch face and the bracelet to remind the consumer that this is indeed a Swiss Watch, despite being made in West Africa. The non-diamond collection will be offered in neon pink, bile lime green, a fuschia purple mix and fecal brown.

    Rolak America will only offer the Fecal Brown color, with special splashes of gold, for sale in the United States, but there will be Swiss Crosses on it everywhere.

    Due to the weak US Dollar and fixed distributor pricing, effective immediately, the price of Rolak watches sold in America will be increased by 60%. Rolak appreciates that every consumer deserves the best deal possible, but Rolak will not warranty any merchandise not bought through Rolak America's two approved retailers.
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    Never mind... enough with the instigating ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj3200
    Yeah I think we are at the end of some kind of era.
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    I guess I'll hold onto my 09 Saronni. The last Master XL made from real Colombus Tubing. lol

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