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    Second extreme power ?

    After reading donevan's thread about the second extreme power and asking him why he would want 2 similar bikes, I came into this kind of situation that you criticize something and end up doing the same

    I just sold the C-40 HP in 57 I had built for sale. So there was some cash flowing back. I did the big mistake of looking into the bike classifieds,and then I saw this ad for a Extreme Power for sale just 20 Km from home.

    a 54cm Traditional Extreme Power on STIT, for the right price. So inmediatly I knew what to do with that dirty cash.



    Only problem, it is that is a 54cm, so too small for me I thought, after all I have a 52s EP and a 56 custom EC and a 55 C-40 right ?

    But well, this is a beautiful frame and I have a full DA 7800 group and wheels so I can build it to put it for sale.

    Well just before going to pick it up, I did measure my colnagos again, and actually found that my C-40 LX10 was not a 55cm but a 54cm. ( 13.05 head tube ) , well that explains why I needed more spacers on it that on the other two to get same fit.



    So in fact my new EP is not too small after all, I do like a lot how the C-40 fits and rides.

    when you see them side to side the C40 looked biger because the thiner tubes, the EP thick tubes make it appear smaller from a pic, but actually the mesurement are the same.

    So now this has me thinking about building it for myself. Anyhow I don't seem to get good deals on a 56 or 55 traditional anyway.

    The seller had an almost new Campagnolo Record UT standard crankset, that came with the bike and he promptly replaced by a compact so he also had it for a super price. So I have now this to build up the bike.

    I have also s green headset and some colorful cables.



    the green headset is paler that what it should be, but is better than black anyway.

    There are some green seatpost collars I could get from ebay but the match is not so good



    However, I need here some advice.

    my options are

    • I do have a full Dura Ace 7800 groupset including a 7850-C24-CL wheels, plus the other 7850 tubular wheels 7850-C50-TU and 7850-C24-TU that I can then swap among the bikes.
    • another possibility is to get the Record 10 speed parts to complete a Record 10sp group and some wheels.
    • Get a new 11speed group, like Super Record 2010 and some Boras


    If I don't use this Record Crankset on the EP I could put it to the C-40 that has the Alu crank

    opinions ? suggestions ?
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    Campagnolo of course

    here's a blunt suggestion

    go for the 11speed Campagnolo groupset with Bora Ultra wheels.
    or if you can, the 2011 Record groupset.

    cheers!

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    frame weights

    Frame 1082 gr
    Fork 467 gr
    Seat Collar 24 gr
    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    wow..

    your extreme power is 100 grams lighter than my size 52, PR38 C50
    1179 grams (frame), 437 grams(fork)



    cheers!

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    I see some nice bits and pieces there.............by the way here are my CC measurements:

    CC measurements FrenchNago


    Measurements
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    Inseam: 83
    Trunk: 63
    Forearm: 33
    Arm: 64.5
    Thigh: 56
    Lower Leg: 55
    Sternal Notch: 145
    Total Body Height: 177.5


    The Competitive Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 53.8 - 54.3
    Seat tube range c-t: 55.4 - 55.9
    Top tube length: 54.8 - 55.2
    Stem Length: 10.9 - 11.5
    BB-Saddle Position: 79.8 - 81.8
    Saddle-Handlebar: 51.6 - 52.2
    Saddle Setback: 3.1 - 3.5


    The Eddy Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 55.0 - 55.5
    Seat tube range c-t: 56.6 - 57.1
    Top tube length: 54.8 - 55.2
    Stem Length: 9.8 - 10.4
    BB-Saddle Position: 79.0 - 81.0
    Saddle-Handlebar: 52.4 - 53.0
    Saddle Setback: 4.3 - 4.7


    The French Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 56.7 - 57.2
    Seat tube range c-t: 58.3 - 58.8
    Top tube length: 56.0 - 56.4
    Stem Length: 10.0 - 10.6
    BB-Saddle Position: 77.3 - 79.3
    Saddle-Handlebar: 54.1 - 54.7
    Saddle Setback: 3.8 - 4.2

    what is interesting is the spread in between what they call the competitive fit and the french fit.........i'll stay competitive thank you!!!

    Whats even more interesting is if you are properly fitted on a post 2006 colnago you usually sit in between a competitve and Eddy fit.....explains the comfort on a colnago!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick
    wow..

    your extreme power is 100 grams lighter than my size 52, PR38 C50
    1179 grams (frame), 437 grams(fork)



    cheers!
    the weight is without seat collar, or cable adjusters.

    The fork is quite heavy though, but I will keep it, the lighter Carbon 75 is made in Asia AFAIK
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    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
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    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Frenchy my measurements are like this

    Measurements
    -------------------------------------------
    Inseam: 81
    Trunk: 69
    Forearm: 34
    Arm: 65
    Thigh: 58
    Lower Leg: 57
    Sternal Notch: 146
    Total Body Height: 180


    The Competitive Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 52.4 - 52.9
    Seat tube range c-t: 54.1 - 54.6
    Top tube length: 56.8 - 57.2
    Stem Length: 11.2 - 11.8
    BB-Saddle Position: 77.9 - 79.9
    Saddle-Handlebar: 53.8 - 54.4
    Saddle Setback: 2.5 - 2.9


    The Eddy Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 53.6 - 54.1
    Seat tube range c-t: 55.3 - 55.8
    Top tube length: 56.8 - 57.2
    Stem Length: 10.1 - 10.7
    BB-Saddle Position: 77.1 - 79.1
    Saddle-Handlebar: 54.6 - 55.2
    Saddle Setback: 3.7 - 4.1


    The French Fit (cm)
    -------------------------------------------
    Seat tube range c-c: 55.3 - 55.8
    Seat tube range c-t: 57.0 - 57.5
    Top tube length: 58.0 - 58.4
    Stem Length: 10.3 - 10.9
    BB-Saddle Position: 75.4 - 77.4
    Saddle-Handlebar: 56.3 - 56.9
    Saddle Setback: 3.2 - 3.6


    I might have measured it wrong though
    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Bah, I think you'll fit.........otherwise i can keep it for you
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    First fitting with parts I had lying around.

    I am ordering a Colnago Seatpost and will look for some Cinelli RAMs, in the meantime it seems it will fit right.

    The wheels give a hint of the direction this is taking....

    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Go Record 10 all the way.

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    I like the way it's looking so far, Salsa. If you had just described the color scheme on the frame, I don't know how I would have responded. Seeing it, though, it definitely works, and works well.

    I think that green e-bay seatpost clamp would work. It may not match the shade of green exactly, but there's enough distance between it and the rest of the green on the frame that I think it will work and provide a nice accent. YMMV.
    When a cyclist in your area is injured or killed by a motorist, make an extra effort the next day to go for a ride. It doesn't have to be an organized ride, or even a long ride. Hell, ride a 15 minute loop around your neighborhood if you want.

    Just be seen riding your bike.

    Do it to make people aware we're out there. Do it to honor a fellow traveler. Do it because you're lucky enough to still be able to.

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    Salsa. I hate you.
    Ordered and Fitted for my Custom DEAN Titanium frame on Sept 17th, 2008. Finally got it in Oct, 2010!!!

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    I could get a full NOS Campy UT 10speed for ~$1200 or the missing parts ( no crankset ) for ~ $1000.

    Super Record 2010 goes for $1800

    A guy is selling a set of used Campy Extralites with Zipp 303 rims for $1000

    otherwise Bora Ones are some $1700 and Bora Ultras $2600

    there are some used Bora Ultras for $2000 in the market and Campy UT 10sp can be got for $700 used.

    But I also have a full DA 7800 group + with the wheels for a cost of $0, like this I could use the money to get a nice set of Cinelli Rams for example.....
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    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
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    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    I decided to build it "temporarly" on DA 7800

    the cost of going full campy would be at least $2000.

    That wouldn't be that much but because I have other 2 fully in DA 7800 , then I will keep the compatibility of wheelsets and parts.

    At some point I will maybe phase out all the DA stuff and will move all bikes to Campy.... someday.....

    Now I will look for some Cinelli Rams
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    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    current status of the "temporary" DA 7800 build.... hopefully next year all 3 bikes will be on SR11

    Now what ? red cables and black bartape ?

    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover
    current status of the "temporary" DA 7800 build.... hopefully next year all 3 bikes will be on SR11

    Now what ? red cables and black bartape ?

    No: black cables and/or green bar tape, black saddle.......maybe
    Colnago C50 WX07 54......
    if you don't fall off, you're not trying hard enough.

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    I have this idea that black cables go on cheap bikes, just because the black housing is the generic one.

    I do have Dura Ace gray, Jagwire white and red. ......

    Maye I'll experiment with the red, will look for some green bar tape though
    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    this one ?

    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    You are onr lucky guy! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover
    I have this idea that black cables go on cheap bikes, just because the black housing is the generic one.

    I do have Dura Ace gray, Jagwire white and red. ......

    Maye I'll experiment with the red, will look for some green bar tape though
    I thought black or DA silver grey is nice because it sort of disappears revealing the bike more than the cables...........for the green BT lizard skins has some but you have to like it tacky!!!
    Colnago C50 WX07 54......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover
    this one ?

    that looks ok
    Colnago C50 WX07 54......
    if you don't fall off, you're not trying hard enough.

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    Finished the "temporary" build

    I went with the DA gray cable housings and black tape

    Looks good IMHO and is quite light

    now out for a ride !!

    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover
    Finished the "temporary" build

    I went with the DA gray cable housings and black tape

    Looks good IMHO and is quite light

    now out for a ride !!

    Looks good and to the point......hope you had a nice ride, we logged 129k this morning
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    the two sisters ...

    Quote Originally Posted by zank
    They're just bikes. Ride 'em in the rain, salt, snow and crap to fully appreciate them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Kelly
    The thing about the cold is that you can never tell how cold it is from looking out a kitchen window. You have to dress up, get out training and when you come back, you then know how cold it is.

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    Wow! Awesomeness times two! So which one rides better? Which one is more stiffliant? Seriously though, do you favor one over the other? I tend to like white bikes but not always when it comes to carbon. I LOVE the zebra-like weave on my Fondriest TF1. Best looking carbon weave I have ever seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover
    the two sisters ...

    Ordered and Fitted for my Custom DEAN Titanium frame on Sept 17th, 2008. Finally got it in Oct, 2010!!!

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