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    Bad-weather cities are pro-cycling?

    It seems to me that most of the pro-cycling (especially commuting) cities are in northern/bad-weather locations (Portland, Boulder, Minneapolis, Madison, Chicago... ) and that the areas where cycling is easy year-'round do very little to promote it use. Just my peception because that's where I live? An example:

    http://www.startribune.com/local/190...refer=Homepage

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    San Diego is very pro cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBiker
    San Diego is very pro cycling.
    For commuters? Bike paths and lanes? Parking garages with showers? - TF
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    Dude, Boulder has sweet weather! Its sunny like 300 days a year and can regularly be in the 40-50's in January. There are a few days that suck (10 degress or so) but.....

    ummmm.....errrggh I mean, yeah Boulder definately sucks the weather is terrible, stay out of colorado and take a texan or californian with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTurtle
    For commuters? Bike paths and lanes? Parking garages with showers? - TF
    Lots of bike lanes. Quite a few bike trails that can be used for commuting. I showered at work. I could cycle in downdown San Diego without worrying. I'd say that San Diego is as bike friendly as Boulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hippienflipflops
    Dude, Boulder has sweet weather! Its sunny like 300 days a year and can regularly be in the 40-50's in January. There are a few days that suck (10 degress or so) but.....

    ummmm.....errrggh I mean, yeah Boulder definately sucks the weather is terrible, stay out of colorado and take a texan or californian with you.
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    Maybe we'll do an exchange...We'll give 'em some Coloradans back
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    Most of the cyclists I've run into in Boulder haven't been friendly.

    Madison gets great weather, it was 64 and not a cloud in the sky today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hippienflipflops
    Dude, Boulder has sweet weather! Its sunny like 300 days a year and can regularly be in the 40-50's in January. There are a few days that suck (10 degress or so) but.....

    ummmm.....errrggh I mean, yeah Boulder definately sucks the weather is terrible, stay out of colorado and take a texan or californian with you.
    It can be in the 70s in Chicago in Feb, doesn't make it a 'good weather' city. - TF
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    Looking for a correlation?

    It's not the weather, as usual it's all about the money. No public money equal no public infastructure. Here's the tax burden by state (I goggled it here: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...es.aspx?page=2)
    Connecticut 1
    New York 2
    New Jersey 3
    Nevada 4
    Vermont 5
    Rhode Island 6
    Massachusetts 7
    California 8
    Washington 9
    Maine 10
    Minnesota 11
    Florida 12
    Wisconsin 13
    Illinois 14
    Maryland 15
    Hawaii 16
    Virginia 17
    Ohio 18
    Wyoming 19
    Pennsylvania 20
    Michigan 21
    Nebraska 22
    Colorado 23
    N. Carolina 24
    Arizona 25
    Delaware 26
    Kansas 27
    Georgia 28
    New Hampshire 29
    Indiana 30
    Oregon 31
    Arkansas 32
    Iowa 33
    Kentucky 34
    S. Carolina 35
    Utah 36
    N. Dakota 37
    Missouri 38
    Montana 39
    West Virginia 40
    Texas 41
    Idaho 42
    S. Dakota 43
    Louisiana 44
    New Mexico 45
    Tennessee 46
    Mississippi 47
    Alaska 48
    Alabama 49
    Oklahoma 50

    Cold climate states roughly at the top, warm climate states roughly in bottom.

    I remember doing a battlefield tour in Mississippi with another Minnesotan in a car a few years back. We were out on the county roads looking for the sites. I remember commenting that shouldn't the Minnesota roads be in worst shape, we get freeze/thaw and chemically treat the surface to beat the band, yet our roads seem in better shape. Why? Because we spend money on them.

    We've got more miles of paved bike trail than anyone else in the country, which is one reason we're at number 11 above.
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    Scott, I can't argue with the general premise, but the numbers you used seem incomlete. I looked at the info compiled. It includes sales, gas, cig and beer. I don't see property or income taxes shown.

    I don't disagree with your point, just think complete numbers might be more usefull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettekid
    Scott, I can't argue with the general premise, but the numbers you used seem incomlete. I looked at the info compiled. It includes sales, gas, cig and beer. I don't see property or income taxes shown.

    I don't disagree with your point, just think complete numbers might be more usefull.
    I just goggled this it's not a source I'm deeply invested in, but are not the two right side columns State and Federal income tax numbers. Property taxes are not included that I can tell.

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    There is the issue of comparing cycling cities and state taxes/funding. Austin has relatively good cycling infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art853
    There is the issue of comparing cycling cities and state taxes/funding. Austin has relatively good cycling infrastructure.
    To TT's original point, with good cycling infrastructure AND favorable year round weather, why doesn't Austin make this list:

    City / Percentage
    Portland / 3.5
    Minneapolis / 2.4
    Seattle / 2.3
    Tucson / 2.2
    San Francisco / 1.8
    Sacramento / 1.8
    Washington DC / 1.7
    Oakland / 1.5
    Honolulu / 1.4
    Denver / 1.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scot_Gore
    To TT original point, with and good cycling infastructure AND favorable year round weather, why dosn't Austin make this list:

    City / Percentage
    Portland / 3.5
    Minneapolis / 2.4
    Seattle / 2.3
    Tucson / 2.2
    San Francisco / 1.8
    Sacramento / 1.8
    Washington DC / 1.7
    Oakland / 1.5
    Honolulu / 1.4
    Denver / 1.4
    What is this? Percentage of what? - TF
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTurtle
    What is this? Percentage of what? - TF
    Opps sorry, it's percentage of trips by bicycle from the US Census.
    Scot Gore, Minneapolis

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    definitions of bad weather

    I think everyone's definition of "bad weather" varies. I would go nuts in Portland, OR, with all the gloomy wetness, but people I know there say they like it, and would die in the central California heat. I love the heat, even 100+ degrees. I also hate the chilling, moist coastline, even like Santa Barbara. San Diego I might tolerate, but even that is too cool for me.

    Fresno has incredibly bike friendly infrastructure. Wide bike lanes everywhere, even 25 miles out into the rural areas. I ride 13 miles to work, and can be in a bike lane over 90% of the way. The culture here is not especially bike friendly, just average, I'd say, but the roads are wonderful.
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