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    2010 Group weight comparisons

    Hi,
    I was wondering if someone has compiled a comprehensive weight comparison chart between Campy, Shimano on SRAM groups. I'm trying to decided on how much to spend and if weight differences might justify it, ie. the $500 difference between a Red or Ultegra build will save me how much weight?


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    I would choose a component manufacturer first, then decide between the groups from that company instead of comparing them all at once.

    Someone did post a chart from a magazine, I think it might have been Outside, that I remember listing the total weights of all the groups from the big three.

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    Competitive Cyclist has a group weight calculator on their site. Not side by side but it should get the job done for you.

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    If you're looking for lightweight bang-for-the-buck, probably nothing beats Force with the BB30 option... sub-2kg for quite a bit less dough than Red, DA, or the top Campy groups. Regular Force is pretty cost-effective as well.

    At lower price points, Rival seems to be the group to beat... as light as Ultegra, for considerably less $$$.

    If you like Campy, then Chorus seems to be the sweet spot for a lot of ppl.
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    From weightweenies site:

    Group weights (2010)
    Sram Red, 2214.3gr
    Campag SuperRecord, 2229.8gr
    Campag Record 11, 2261gr
    Shimano 7900, 2282.7gr
    Shimano Di2, 2356.6gr
    Shimano Ultegra - 2402 gr

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    Sram Force (non bb30) from Competitive cyclists website. 2161g Cost $1258

    This is with the OG-1070 cassette, chain and compact 175mm crank.

    Sram Red - non BB30 2012g $2000.00

    This is with the OG-1090 cassette and the 1090R chain and compact 175 crank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneslowmofo
    Group weights (2010)
    Sram Red, 2214.3gr
    Campag SuperRecord, 2229.8gr
    Campag Record 11, 2261gr
    Shimano 7900, 2282.7gr
    Shimano Di2, 2356.6gr
    Shimano Ultegra - 2402 gr
    Those weights seems a little high, across the board.

    Are they weighing the standard 8 pieces, or is there something else going on?

    Not that I'm taking the manufacturer's stated weights as gospel, but a number of cycling sites/mags have weighed groups too, and they consistently don't seem to come in as high at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneslowmofo
    Group weights (2010)
    Sram Red, 2214.3gr
    Campag SuperRecord, 2229.8gr
    Campag Record 11, 2261gr
    Shimano 7900, 2282.7gr
    Shimano Di2, 2356.6gr
    Shimano Ultegra - 2402 gr
    the difference bet. the SRAM Red and Ultegra is less than half a pound. Take a dump before your ride and you'll save more weight.

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    What does 105 weigh in around?

    My bike has 105, and have been considering going with SRAM Red.

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    Hey, what about chorus? Can't be that heavy surely ....

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    I looked at the numbers on competitive cyclist and I think the difference they had listed for Red to Ultegra was about 2007g to 2329g..that's about a 0.7 lb difference. Chorus is listed at 2166g. But the LBS I'm talking to can get me full Red for $100 more than Chorus. Seems like a better deal plus aren't Campy parts more expensive to replace?
    Ya, I could take a dump before a ride but if i had Red and took a dump, I'd still be 0.7 lb lighter..haha :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by petalpower
    What does 105 weigh in around?

    My bike has 105, and have been considering going with SRAM Red.
    105 is currently around 2600g.

    The new 105, coming soon, is a little lighter, allegedly 2480g or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielc
    Ya, I could take a dump before a ride but if i had Red and took a dump, I'd still be 0.7 lb lighter..haha :-)
    bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock
    105 is currently around 2600g.

    The new 105, coming soon, is a little lighter, allegedly 2480g or so.
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    Thanks.

    Between switching to SRAM Red and some new wheels - I could be looking at 2.5lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by petalpower
    Thanks.

    Between switching to SRAM Red and some new wheels - I could be looking at 2.5lbs
    Yeah, 105's been pretty porky in recent years.

    With Rival being a little bit cheaper aftermarket and significantly lighter, and with Apex on the way (a little lighter and a lots cheaper), not sure I really see the point of 105 anymore.
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    IMHO, how the different groups shift and how the levers/hoods feel and fit are WAY more important than a few grams. I wouldn't choose SRAM over Campy even if the weight difference was a pound because I like the shifting and levers/hoods on Campy much better. In the end you'll notice these differences much more than a few grams.
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    The current edition of Road Bike Action magazine (May 2010) has a whole article (several pages) on each of the 2010 grouppos, and specific details on each model. The article ends with a weight and cost comparison, and others have mentioned the weight differential betweent the most expensive and least expensive is negligible.

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    2402-2214=188=6.6 ounces. ROTFLMAO You weight weenies crack me up, man. I have never seen so much ado about nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfosterma
    The current edition of Road Bike Action magazine (May 2010) has a whole article (several pages) on each of the 2010 grouppos, and specific details on each model. The article ends with a weight and cost comparison, and others have mentioned the weight differential betweent the most expensive and least expensive is negligible.
    The weight difference between something like Red or Record or Force w/BB30 and something like 105 is about a pound and a half... that may be 'negligible' to you, but I'll bet it isn't to everyone...

    That said, I don't think static weight alone is ever a total deal-breaker... I currently ride steel for goshsakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock

    That said, I don't think static weight alone is ever a total deal-breaker... I currently ride steel for goshsakes.
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    I agree...however Red also comes with ceramics in the BB and rear derailleur pulleys..does that matter? I don't know....

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    Ceramic matters

    Quote Originally Posted by danielc
    I agree...however Red also comes with ceramics in the BB and rear derailleur pulleys..does that matter? I don't know....
    Lots of people know: ceramics don't matter except that you pay more for no performance advantage.

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    I'd definitely ride the different groups--I find SRAM hoods to be the most comfortable and like the stiff shifting. I was a long-time Campy fan, but the wheel compatibility and requiring custom tools to do things like install a chain is annoying--plus I prefer the hoods and lack of thumb shifter from SRAM. I miss the trim from my older Campy. If you like light shifting, Shimano is probably your best bet--I don't like the idea of the brake lever moving in different directions than the way it stops and even with the design update, I think the new hoods are still easily the worst.

    SRAM Rival is definitely the best value group right now--assuming you like SRAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Irons
    Lots of people know: ceramics don't matter except that you pay more for no performance advantage.
    Kerry,
    I haven't read up much on ceramics..all I know is that I can get a gruppo with ceramics for not much more than Ultegra and also the new Easton EA90SLX for the same price as Ksyrium SLs. I just figured the weight savings alone would be beneficial and the ceramics are just a bonus.
    Are there any good reviews on ceramics that you are aware of?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneslowmofo
    Group weights (2010)
    Sram Red, 2214.3gr
    Campag SuperRecord, 2229.8gr
    Campag Record 11, 2261gr
    Shimano 7900, 2282.7gr
    Shimano Di2, 2356.6gr
    Shimano Ultegra - 2402 gr
    How did you come up with these numbers? I would think that the actual weight depends on the specifc components you select. A 172.5mm crankset weighs more than a 170mm crankset and less than a 175mm one. Are those weights for standard doubles, triples or compacts? Doesn't all of that factor in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crumjack
    Competitive Cyclist has a group weight calculator on their site. Not side by side but it should get the job done for you.
    Do you have the actual link? I'm probably just blind but I can't find it.

    Thanks!

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