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    oh, it's a triple. i'd size the chain perfectly for the outer two rings and only ride the granny while in the two largest rear cogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    oh, it's a triple. i'd size the chain perfectly for the outer two rings and only ride the granny while in the two largest rear cogs.
    You'd be doing it incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    No, chains don't stretch. They wear, and they elongate, but it's not stretch.
    If the chain elongated enough to cause this amount of sag, it would have caused shifting problems loooooooooong time ago.

    OP, there is something mysterious here. Are you saying the chain sag wasn't there before you removed the two links? Are you sure you re-installed the same chain? I honestly cannot think of any other way this could happen.

    I would say start over with a new chain and size it as per the directions that come with the chain which is in the small/small combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    You'd be doing it incorrectly.
    not for me. maybe for someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    not for me. maybe for someone else.
    So you are telling us you have done it this way and your shifting has been flawless? Do tell!
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    New chain, everything is looking good. Yes, shifting has always been flawless. This was the original chain. weird derailluer position-newchain.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    So you are telling us you have done it this way and your shifting has been flawless? Do tell!
    i haven't had too many triples. most all of my bikes have been doubles. but, yes, the shifting on all the higher end bikes is flawless. as i wrote before, i never ride in the small/small nor big/big combos. i wouldn't ride a granny in the smaller cogs ever. I don't see the point. ymmv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    New chain, everything is looking good. Yes, shifting has always been flawless. This was the original chain. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    i haven't had too many triples. most all of my bikes have been doubles. but, yes, the shifting on all the higher end bikes is flawless. as i wrote before, i never ride in the small/small nor big/big combos. i wouldn't ride a granny in the smaller cogs ever. I don't see the point. ymmv.
    That's the way you ride. Oddly enough there are thousands if not millions of riders that actually do cross chain and every drive train should be able to work big/big if the rider chooses to do so. There is a right way to do everything and your way is not it. It's your way. That's great if you want to do it, but it's pretty much worthless for you to post about it in a thread where someone is looking for sound advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    That's the way you ride.
    yes, and in every post, that's what i wrote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    yes, and in every post, that's what i wrote.
    Yes you did. Semantics! You said and I'll quote " I'd size the chain perfectly for the outer two rings and only ride the granny while in the two largest rear cogs". So your implication was that this was an option for the OP. It is not good advice and there is absolutely no reason to do it this way.
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    I 'think' I know what happened since you say you pulled the rear derailleur and serviced it. I would bet that during reassembly you backed out the b-tension screw from it's original position, whether on purpose to set it correctly or just inadvertently. I've seen plenty of bikes built from the factory that had chains too long (more often than I would like) and the they crank down the b-tension screw to pull the derailleur up in the small/small combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Yes you did. Semantics! You said and I'll quote " I'd size the chain perfectly for the outer two rings and only ride the granny while in the two largest rear cogs". So your implication was that this was an option for the OP. It is not good advice and there is absolutely no reason to do it this way.
    it works very well for me. but I don't ride in cross-chained gear combos that put extra strain and wear on the chain, rings, cogs, and rear derailleur cage spring.

    it might help the op to put his rings and cogs in a gear calc and see what's available to be most efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Explain how a larger big ring would change anything here.
    The OP needs an extra large big ring.

    Accept facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimetonmaili View Post
    The OP needs an extra large big ring.

    Accept facts.
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