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    weird derailluer position

    This is the original chain on my 1997 Hardrock 7 speed. A few years ago I took the chain off to clean and ended up taking two links out in the process. Since then I have always wondered why the chain, when in the small/small set up would look like this. I have attached 2 images. As I said, this is the original chain minus 2 links. I know the first answers are going to be "the chain is too long" but is it? Was I supposed to "wind" up the cage or something when I put the chain back on? Its never been a problem riding though, go figure. Anyway, here are the images:
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    That chain is too long!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    I know the first answers are going to be "the chain is too long" but is it?
    The chain is too long.
    Yes it is.

    Was I supposed to "wind" up the cage or something when I put the chain back on?
    No idea what that means.


    Its never been a problem riding though, go figure.
    Have you ever rode in the small/small? Cause if you did it wouldn't work so well and would make a lot of noise as the chain dragged along the chainstay.
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    Okay, the chain is TOO long! :-) I will replace ASAP with a new, properly sized chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    Okay, the chain is TOO long! :-) I will replace ASAP with a new, properly sized chain.
    If the chain isn't worn, you don't have to replace it. Just shorten it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    Okay, the chain is TOO long! :-) I will replace ASAP with a new, properly sized chain.
    I would suggest taking the bike to your LBS to help get you squared away. No offense intended, but if you didn't see that the chain was too long to begin with, do you trust yourself to properly shorten it?
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    i use sheldon's advice and never ride in the small/small nor the big/big combos.
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    As I had mentioned, this is how Specialized put it together 20 years ago.
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    hOOOO, sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    As I had mentioned, this is how Specialized put it together 20 years ago.
    I doubt this is the way Specialized built it. For one thing, I can see a TON of space between the front derailleur and the large chainring; this tells me that the rings are not stock, and quite possibly, neither is the crankset. If you had the correct ring that this model came with, you probably wouldn't have an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I doubt this is the way Specialized built it. For one thing, I can see a TON of space between the front derailleur and the large chainring; this tells me that the rings are not stock, and quite possibly, neither is the crankset. If you had the correct ring that this model came with, you probably wouldn't have an issue.
    Your talking through your hat. These are the original components from the day I bought the bike in 1997.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    i use sheldon's advice and never ride in the small/small nor the big/big combos.
    Sheldon's old advice that no longer applies in this case? There is NOTHING wrong w/ big/big when needed. ALL modern drivetrains are designed to do big/big w/ no issues. Well, maybe slightly accelerated wear on drivetrain parts, but it will work if everything is properly set up and there is no reason not to do it when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I doubt this is the way Specialized built it. For one thing, I can see a TON of space between the front derailleur and the large chainring; this tells me that the rings are not stock, and quite possibly, neither is the crankset. If you had the correct ring that this model came with, you probably wouldn't have an issue.
    Explain how a larger big ring would change anything here.
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    I think I discovered the problem, on the second picture his rear tire is going 20mph reducing the slack in the chain. In the first picture his rear tire is stopped, so there is no spinning to reduce the slack in the chain. ~
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    This certainly is a strange situation if you took two links out of the chain. Looking at your derailleur pulleys in both pictures, it doesn't look like there is anything wrong with your derailleur spring. In the small/small, the cage is fully retracted. In the large/large, it isn't extended as far as I would expect.

    The only thing I can say is the chain is too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Sheldon's old advice that no longer applies in this case? There is NOTHING wrong w/ big/big when needed.
    When is it ever really needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    When is it ever really needed?
    When you are charging up a hill, out of the saddle in the 53, in the 21 of a 12-23, and you need to sit down and spin a little, it's better to use the 23, rather than drop it all the way to a 39x17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Explain how a larger big ring would change anything here.
    It would take up a few more links......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    This certainly is a strange situation if you took two links out of the chain. Looking at your derailleur pulleys in both pictures, it doesn't look like there is anything wrong with your derailleur spring. In the small/small, the cage is fully retracted. In the large/large, it isn't extended as far as I would expect.

    The only thing I can say is the chain is too long.
    Finally someone is clueing into this. This chain is original, tons of hard miles, 20?years old. 8 years ago I stripped the bike down to the bearings and put it back together. In the process I removed the chain and mangled the cut and costing me 2 links. I took the pulley cage apart to clean. Everything went back together well. It's a cunundrum, can a chain get so stretched even after missing 2 links to droop like this? The bike has run flawless all this time. I am picking up a new chain tomorrow and will properly size the chain per Park Tool guidelines, hope fully the new pictures will look differently. Thanks :-)
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    I am probably the last person to have received an email from Sheldon Brown! A very nice gentleman.

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    Is that a triple, and do you have it in the granny and the small cog?

    It doesn't look like it's in the small ring, and if it's in the granny ring that may be asking a bit much of the derailleur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Is that a triple, and do you have it in the granny and the small cog?

    It doesn't look like it's in the small ring, and if it's in the granny ring that may be asking a bit much of the derailleur.
    According to the bikepedia link he provided it is a triple. Somethings not right though. Original chain (should have been sized right). Took 2 links out and re-installed and now is too long.
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    That is not the original chain, that is just crazy and u are losing your mind.~
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    It would take up a few more links......
    Think again. The chain is only too long in the small/small. The big ring has nothing to do w/ anything here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRojo View Post
    It's a cunundrum, can a chain get so stretched even after missing 2 links to droop like this?
    No, chains don't stretch. They wear, and they elongate, but it's not stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Is that a triple, and do you have it in the granny and the small cog?

    It doesn't look like it's in the small ring, and if it's in the granny ring that may be asking a bit much of the derailleur.
    If this bike is indeed as original then the derailleur on it will wrap the chain successfully if the chain was sized properly to begin with. If the OP actually removed 2 links at some point and the bike was built like that, then yes...chain is/was too long.
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