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    New custom Kish titanium

    I ordered a custom titanium cyclocross bike from Jim Kish (www.kishbike.com) at the end of November 2009. I wanted a bike for cross riding and light touring, so it is spec'd with eyelets for racks and fenders.

    I measured my current bikes (Richard Sachs, Seven Axiom, Specialized Langster, Gunnar Crosshairs) to provide him with my basics of my bike fittings. Having ridden for a number of years, my bikes are set up the same, adjusting for seat angles et al. I prefer bikes with slack seat tube angles, as my femurs are long in proportion to my legs. I generally don't like bikes that have seat angles greater than 73 degrees; my Langster has the saddle moved back on the rails and with seatpost seat back.

    Jim and I discussed (by email and phone) the various things I wanted and would work (different sloping top tubes, head tube length, bb height, saddle to handlebar height difference, etc). We even discussed how the bike would look aesthetically to minimize the spacers.

    I also had Jim assemble the bike with Campy Athena 11 speed, since he could get a discount on parts. The bike arrived Friday, as my family and I were getting ready to visit family for the holiday weekend.

    IMHO, I think it came out well. It's light, 17.6 lbs without pedals, considering the wheels and tires are not lightweight (meant for cross abuse).

    No ride report yet - it snowed another 5 inches today.

    Here are the geometry specs:
    Seat angle 72.5
    Head tube angle 73.0
    Heat tube length 15.1cm
    Seat tube length 54.11cm center of bb to top to top tube
    Top tube length 56.5cm virtual
    BB drop 7.0
    Chainstay 43.0
    Slope 5.06 degrees




    Last edited by veloduffer; 08-05-2010 at 04:39 AM.

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    Wow! Looks nice. You have a nice stable already and now one more.

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    excellent ......

    is that a Joe Bell paint job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustTooBig
    excellent ......

    is that a Joe Bell paint job?
    Spectrum Powderworks did the paint.

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    you didn't want the fork to match?
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    Fat tire Fred....you are the bike god of the universe and unless someone agrees with your reasoning they are just plain stupid

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    That guy should be on anyone's short list for frame builders. Looks awesome. LOVE the paint.

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    I said it there and will repeat it here, Wow!
    Joined the other team in the name of the economy

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    Nice! So how would you compare it to your Crosshairs?

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    Nice one

    That is one sweet looking ride. I happen to like painted Ti frames and your bike came out really nice.
    i've got limited minutes left in life, don't waste my time

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    Sweet... I love the colors.
    Dave Ybarrola
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    it's beautiful...
    please, could you post more photos of the stable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski
    Nice! So how would you compare it to your Crosshairs?
    Being away for the holiday and snow on Tuesday, I haven't ridden it yet. I probably won't get to ride it until Sat and Sunday. More to follow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_W
    it's beautiful...
    please, could you post more photos of the stable?
    If you insist...

    More pics here at www.racerx.zenfolio.com

    Serotta Concours CX


    Richard Sachs 25th Anniversary


    Seven Axiom Ti


    I don't have a pic of my Langster and the Gunnar was sold to pay for the Kish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireFred
    you didn't want the fork to match?
    I don't understand the whole non-matching fork, custom frame thing, irrespective of powdercoating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireFred
    you didn't want the fork to match?
    To be honest, I didn't think about it, as I was more focused on the geometry. But to me, I like the black fork and think it complements the other black parts (wheels, seatpost, spacers).

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    That Serotta is delicious
    "Cycling never gets easier, you just get faster."
    -Greg LeMond

    Amen to that.

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    Your bikes rock. I am not a big sloper or carbon fork guy, but...your bikes rock. I think the unpainted fork really works on the Kish, balances with the post and seat. Did I mention that your bikes rock?

    b21

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    I like them all. They are all bikes I have been thinking about lately. I am slowly plotting my future custom Ti.. but whenever I do... I always think about how great it would be to have a steel Sachs. Still... the only reason anyone should be allowed to have that many great bikes is to torment the rest of us who don't. ;D

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    The Kish looks cool, but what is the frame weight?

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    The carbon crank does not work with the Sachs. You need an aluminum crank. I have aluminum Chorus on my Waterford and would never ever put a carbon crank on it. It would look wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellS
    The carbon crank does not work with the Sachs. You need an aluminum crank. I have aluminum Chorus on my Waterford and would never ever put a carbon crank on it. It would look wrong.
    Yeah, I know. Right now there is 9-spd Campy on the Sachs with a Record Compact crank. I might change the drivetrain to 11 speed but would lose the alloy shifters. The only other choice is to get an older Centaur alloy crankset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rook
    The Kish looks cool, but what is the frame weight?
    Not sure of the weight since I had Jim Kish do the complete build.

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    Beautiful bike....Kish is top notch for sure. Seems he has turned it up on the details lately.

    The bikes proportions are perfect IMO.

    I'd love to know the bikes actual weight (verified on a digital bike scale) with pedals.

    16.5-17 lbs seems light for that build.

    LP

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    Not typically a fan of painted Ti....but that Kish is really sweet.

    Any intel on the tubing used?........straight guage.....butted?......3/2.5?

    Very nice,

    David

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    nice

    toss some knobbies on
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    still not figgering on biggering

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