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    lance?

    I saw that lance was around showing us all that he was not dead

    and I got to wondering what ever happened to that guy. Anyone know if he is going to jail?

    Then I remembered this bit. I don't like lance and I hope he goes to jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go do it View Post
    ....Anyone know if he is going to jail?
    I never remember reading an article or hearing any conversation regarding jail.

    The lawsuits are all about $$$.

    Why would you think he may go to jail?

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    The fact that many people believe that Lance raised money for cancer research is enough of a reason to vilify him. Raising money for cancer awareness is the same as saying, please send us money to advertise about cancer.

    We aren't going to spend the majority of the money to help find treatments or cures, we're just going to spend it on more ads and fundraising. We will purposely allow you to think we are spending it on research, so you will continue to give money.

    Thanks Bill Burr for unknowingly helping to illustrate this point.

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    With all these recent stories about famous atheletes and cyclists being hit by drivders makes me wonder....if L*nc* *rmstr*ng were to ride wearing a jersey with just his name on the back......how long would he survive?
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    He just got engaged. I wonder if he needs performance enhancing drugs in bed in order to be good?

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    The false death story actually brought a smile to the face of Betsy the Witch. Poor Frankie was sent out in the dead of night in his Hincapie limited edition house slippers looking for an open liquor store to buy champagne. Betsy was so pissed the next day when the liquor store refused to refund HER money for the returned bubbly that she made Frankie wash and wax her broom.

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    I'm sure you intended that to be funny and I can only hope I'll be able to understand the artful and nuanced humor one day.

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    I like Lance and always enjoyed watching the races during that era. Lance, Ulrich, Rees, Bolaki, Zabel, Cipo etc. Yeah I may have miss spelled a few.

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    Armstrong was the best cheater.....Ever. (and a professional jerk). His case comes up on 11/6/17.......The idea of him "cheating" the Postal Service is Hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    Armstrong was the best cheater.....Ever. (and a professional jerk)....s.
    That's a bit mild, even for Mr. Grumpy. I'd start at calling him a "professional dooshbag", then go from there. Maybe a national disgrace? But then, we've become complacent about 'national disgraces' lately.....
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    How many other cheating Athletes have been asked to pay back sponsorship money? Are any of the other riders who didn't cheat as well as him in this situation????
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    Were there any others who ACTIVELY sought out lawsuits against those who pointed out the obvious (that there was no other way on earth to get those kinds of bloodwork numbers)? Then collected multi-million dollar settlements, all the while doubling-down on the fiction that they had NEVER doped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    Were there any others who ACTIVELY sought out lawsuits against those who pointed out the obvious (that there was no other way on earth to get those kinds of bloodwork numbers)? Then collected multi-million dollar settlements, all the while doubling-down on the fiction that they had NEVER doped?
    How does that apply to the Landis'/the US Government case? Prior behavior should not be a factor in that case. It's whether or not the US Postal Service as defrauded or not.
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    I did not like Lance during his heyday. I'm sure in these very forums I have vilified him in the past.

    However, since his coming out party, I have listened to various interviews he's given (Joe Rogan, Howard Stern), and I also now listen to his weekly podcast. To me, he seems to be humbled, though I would not say so much repentant to the doping.

    It actually makes some bit of sense, because one thing I have always thought is that while he may have doped, so was everyone else, and it was a level, if elevated, playing field.

    It's pretty clear from his podcast that he is still in demand and has quite a following.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Einstruzende View Post

    It actually makes some bit of sense, because one thing I have always thought is that while he may have doped, so was everyone else, and it was a level, if elevated, playing field.
    I think that has been pretty much the idea in many sports. I think that many of the people running and promoting the sports were aware but, hey it is good for fans and the ratings. Reminds me of:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Einstruzende View Post
    It actually makes some bit of sense, because one thing I have always thought is that while he may have doped, so was everyone else, and it was a level, if elevated, playing field.
    We've been over and over this here, but to recap:

    The level playing field doesn't exist, even in a "clean" world.

    If everyone is completely clean, some people will have certain advantages based on training, genetics, and other factors.

    Add in doping, and some people respond better to the methods than others, gaining an advantage over their natural genetic superiors. Some people have better doctors than others. Some have different levels they're willing to go to improve performance through doping. Some are protected by systems, teams, or agencies. Read Tyler Hamilton's book. "The Secret Race" for an idea of how it worked in the "Lance Era".

    In other words, doping is not a uniform concept that results in the same improvement for everyone. It doesn't level the playing field, it skews it even worse.

    The general consensus is Lance would have never won a single Tour without doping. As it turns out, he didn't win one with doping. As for what he could have achieved clean, we'll never know, because the whole era was skewed. He wasn't a victim of the system and circumstances, he was the apex of the culture- the right physiology, the right determination to succeed, the right ruthlessness, and the right back story at the perfect time for it all to come together.

    Lance is courting public opinion before his case comes up, trying to manipulate the narrative like he always did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    With all these recent stories about famous atheletes and cyclists being hit by drivders makes me wonder....if L*nc* *rmstr*ng were to ride wearing a jersey with just his name on the back......how long would he survive?
    WTF are you babbling about? Much like Kathy Griffin found out, there is a line that separates humor from not appropriate. You seem to be very bitter about something that did not affect you in any way. Unfortunately, you joined the forum a little too late. Six years ago you would have had lots of people dog pile on with you here. Now it is just tired and played out. Please see post below to catch up on the end state of over a decade of this hate.
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    Since they're all ( or at least the consistent winners ) still cheating - reference team SKY, or the entire GB cycling federation (probably their triathletes as well), I could care less. I don't even watch the tour anymore, it's a freaking joke.
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    Compared to where things once were, I'd say things are better. Not clean, but significantly better than when Riis won. People will still cheat, and some will get away with it. That happens across all sports.

    Team Sky? For all of their marginal gains talk, they have a huge budget and buy the very best riders available to support their designated GC rider. They have the staff and support structures that few teams can match. Are they clean? I have no idea. I like the fact that they are constantly getting probed and questioned by the press, because obviously they don't run as tight a ship as they claim. If they're dirty, I won't lose any sleep.

    I'd love to see a salary cap for teams that would distribute the talent more evenly, but the powerful teams will fight that every step of the way and all we'll be left with is a whining guy with sideburns to champion the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einstruzende View Post
    I did not like Lance during his heyday. I'm sure in these very forums I have vilified him in the past.

    However, since his coming out party, I have listened to various interviews he's given (Joe Rogan, Howard Stern), and I also now listen to his weekly podcast. To me, he seems to be humbled, though I would not say so much repentant to the doping.

    It actually makes some bit of sense, because one thing I have always thought is that while he may have doped, so was everyone else, and it was a level, if elevated, playing field.

    It's pretty clear from his podcast that he is still in demand and has quite a following.

    +1

    I followed most of the YouTube vids of him covering the TDF with his radio-host helper in the trailer. Enjoyed it, and was glad to see him back on the tube. Also glad to hear his perspectives after each stage, as well as predictions on the next-day's stage.

    Lance didn't hurt me at all, didn't touch me in inappropriate places, and I'm not a European ... so I have nothing against him considering everyone who mattered - then, and even the heroes of cycling before then - were doping.

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    I got no bones that he cheated, but I cannot forgive how many regular, working class people lost everything. Ask yourself how happy would you be if your family had to fork over all of its retirement savings and sell off the family home because they lost in court against a sociopath that was able to afford a multi-million dollar legal team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ms6073 View Post
    I got no bones that he cheated, but I cannot forgive how many regular, working class people lost everything. Ask yourself how happy would you be if your family had to fork over all of its retirement savings and sell off the family home because they lost in court against a sociopath that was able to afford a multi-million dollar legal team!
    Are you implying Lance is responsible for US Postal failing? That is the biggest joke I have read yet. If anything, they thrived while he was winning. They are failing, and have been for years. They should blame Al Gore, since he invented the internet, and that is what is killing the postal service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spookyload View Post
    Are you implying Lance is responsible for US Postal failing? That is the biggest joke I have read yet. If anything, they thrived while he was winning. They are failing, and have been for years. They should blame Al Gore, since he invented the internet, and that is what is killing the postal service.
    I think he is referring to the people Lance sued and blacklisted over the years, etc.
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