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    5 Cyclists Killed in MI by Pickup

    Sad, very sad. Not too many details but hard to imagine the person was trying to avoid, swerve or brake if 5 killed and 4 seriously injured.

    Five cyclists killed, four injured in Michigan car crash | Reuters

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    Horrible. Sounds likely he was drunk, since the police were getting multiple reports of erratic driving from 30 minutes before the crash and were looking for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCavilia View Post
    Horrible. Sounds likely he was drunk, since the police were getting multiple reports of erratic driving from 30 minutes before the crash and were looking for him.
    Agree. The CNN article said he was arrested at the scene and charges were forthcoming.

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    I'm trying NOT to rush to judgment....but mowing down a line of 9 bikers sounds almost deliberate. After the first few wouldn't you turn/brake? Even if impaired I have a hard time grasping how you could wipe out so many, if not on purpose. The picture of the pickup looks like it hit a tree not bikes.

    I'm envisioning a guy coming up behind a pace line and just plowing over them all. Perhaps the group was more bunched up or maybe it was an intersection so more like getting t-boned in a car? More details needed but a tragedy no matter the circumstances. Hope we see some justice.

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    At the very least we can deduce he plowed into them at considerable speed. Whether or not it was intentional, you don't kill five people by gently brushing them.
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    mowing down a line of 9 bikers sounds almost deliberate. After the first few wouldn't you turn/brake?
    Drunk is just as possible. As for reacting "after the first few", the time is insufficient. If it was a group ride the length of the pack could be as little 30 feet (assuming two abreast). If they were going 20 mph and he was going 60, the closing speed of 40 mph is over 70 feet per second. That's less than half a second from the back rider to the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rplace13 View Post
    I'm trying NOT to rush to judgment....but mowing down a line of 9 bikers sounds almost deliberate. After the first few wouldn't you turn/brake? Even if impaired I have a hard time grasping how you could wipe out so many, if not on purpose.
    If drunk, not hard to believe. Drunk drivers have been known to drive down the wrong way on interstate highways.

    Still no excuse. I hope they throw the book at this guy.
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    Here is one of the more recent articles:

    Kalamazoo Strong Organization collecting funds for victims of fatal bicycle crash | MLive.com


    Here is a link for anyone who feels a need to help assist the families of the victims:

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    I really hope for the best for the victims families, and the 4 that are still fighting for their lives.

    I'm not going to guess at the drivers frame of mind. It sounds like they will not officially be releasing much information until Thursday.

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    The damage to the front of that truck is shocking. Being in NE Indiana and possibly racing with the victims in MI events, this really strikes home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rplace13 View Post
    I'm trying NOT to rush to judgment....but mowing down a line of 9 bikers sounds almost deliberate. After the first few wouldn't you turn/brake? Even if impaired I have a hard time grasping how you could wipe out so many, if not on purpose. The picture of the pickup looks like it hit a tree not bikes.

    I'm envisioning a guy coming up behind a pace line and just plowing over them all. Perhaps the group was more bunched up or maybe it was an intersection so more like getting t-boned in a car? More details needed but a tragedy no matter the circumstances. Hope we see some justice.
    Not hard to believe at all. A truck traveling at 45mph is going 66ft/sec.
    A drunk driver, distracted driver, passed out driver could easily plow through two dozen cyclists in 1 second.
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    The usual idiotic comments below the report here:

    Five cyclists killed, four injured in Michigan car crash
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOky View Post
    The usual idiotic comments below the report here:

    Five cyclists killed, four injured in Michigan car crash
    There were a few anti-cycling comments but I would expect those people would not resort to mowing down cyclists. Quite frankly the cycling community has often times earned this reputation. I been in a number of groups were I was embarrassed by their behavior. To get respect we have to earn it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    There were a few anti-cycling comments but I would expect those people would not resort to mowing down cyclists. Quite frankly the cycling community has often times earned this reputation. I been in a number of groups were I was embarrassed by their behavior. To get respect we have to earn it
    Exactly.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DaveG again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rplace13 View Post
    I'm envisioning a guy coming up behind a pace line and just plowing over them all.
    Some witnesses are reporting that the driver hit the cyclists head-on.

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    Commenting sections on news articles are embarrassing for the human race.

    I'm glad news sites started removing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    There were a few anti-cycling comments but I would expect those people would not resort to mowing down cyclists. Quite frankly the cycling community has often times earned this reputation. I been in a number of groups were I was embarrassed by their behavior. To get respect we have to earn it
    You and we will never have their respect. That is how it is.

    We're homosexual lycra clad two-wheelers and we don't belong on the road. That is the perspective of lots of people. Hell I've had water bottles tossed at me from moving vehicles for just being a cyclist.

    If you think we're ever going to earn "respect" in the USA....you are simply naive. Of course we should all follow the law, but we can follow the law to the letter and will never be respected. I come to a full legal stop at a stop sign, I'll get yelled at out a window for slowing a jerk down 30 seconds on his work commute, whereas if I blow that stop sign (or even do a slow almost-track-stand) because there's never cross traffic on that street at that hour (to be polite to people who yell at me for slowing them down) I'll still get yelled at.

    Why?

    Because people are jerks and look no further than their own nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephxiii View Post
    Commenting sections on news articles is embarrassing for the human race.
    It shows the state of un/informed level among the populace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    It shows the state of un/informed level among the populace.
    They don't know, they don't care, and by god they have their right to be mad at you and the world and have their uninformed opinion.

    I'm just certain if we follow the law to the letter we'll get their respect (LMAO).

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    It's amazing how little introspection the anti-cycling crowd has when it comes to commenting on articles like these.

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    Motorist killed by negligent motorist: Human deserving of our sympathy.

    Cyclist killed by negligent motorist: What was the cyclist doing to deserve it?
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    No use getting upset by the inappropriate comments. It is very likely that the 'haters' are leading very miserable lives and, sadly, too many look outwardly to see who and what they can blame for their misery.

    You can read the complaints: cyclists are out there to keep you from getting to work on time! They're setting traps with their cameras to catch all the HARD WORKING drivers! They are intentionally cutting to the front of the line at the red light just to SHOW...DRIVERS...UP! They are laughing at us! They are peeing everywhere!!! Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!

    The peeing comment from some batshit crazy lady in Texas was spit-out-your-coffee funny!

    It is a little scary that the ragers actually believe much of this tripe, but its no new trend. Miserable people always seem to find someone else to blame for their misery. Cyclists are just one group in a long line of strawmen: politicians, wall street fat cats, evil business owners, that guy who looked at me weird the other day....

    There is no changing their view and they will probably go to their grave thinking that (if not) for the world, they would have been happy.

    MOST drivers are fine and respectful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    You and we will never have their respect. That is how it is.

    We're homosexual lycra clad two-wheelers and we don't belong on the road. That is the perspective of lots of people. Hell I've had water bottles tossed at me from moving vehicles for just being a cyclist.

    If you think we're ever going to earn "respect" in the USA....you are simply naive. Of course we should all follow the law, but we can follow the law to the letter and will never be respected. I come to a full legal stop at a stop sign, I'll get yelled at out a window for slowing a jerk down 30 seconds on his work commute, whereas if I blow that stop sign (or even do a slow almost-track-stand) because there's never cross traffic on that street at that hour (to be polite to people who yell at me for slowing them down) I'll still get yelled at.

    Why?

    Because people are jerks and look no further than their own nose.
    My own experience has not been quite this negative, and I live in a state (NJ) not known for civility. Most motorists give me wide berth when passing and avoid unsafe situations. Marc, we are not going to win everyone over but we should try and we will win some. When I am out on a ride and a group of riders are hogging the lane despite knowing there is car behind them, I think they deserve a honk. I will bail out of groups when they show disregard for motorists

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    My own experience has not been quite this negative, and I live in a state (NJ) not known for civility. Most motorists give me wide berth when passing and avoid unsafe situations. Marc, we are not going to win everyone over but we should try and we will win some. When I am out on a ride and a group of riders are hogging the lane despite knowing there is car behind them, I think they deserve a honk. I will bail out of groups when they show disregard for motorists
    Uh, depending on the state this may be legal to do and proper. Many road law books state "as far to the right as is practicable". But many road statutes in many places also state something like "When a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely, the cyclist is entitled to the use of the entire lane."


    Every week or so, I get a city-slicker or country-kid in a pickup truck lay on their horn behind me just to be an @$$. Even if I'm on the shoulder or close in to the fogline. Like I say, I've had water bottle pitched in my direction and hit their mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    My own experience has not been quite this negative, and I live in a state (NJ) not known for civility. Most motorists give me wide berth when passing and avoid unsafe situations. Marc, we are not going to win everyone over but we should try and we will win some. When I am out on a ride and a group of riders are hogging the lane despite knowing there is car behind them, I think they deserve a honk. I will bail out of groups when they show disregard for motorists
    +1 on this.. I do see a good 90% of the people making a effort but its always the small minority that cause the issue on both sides (view the dont be that guy thread). I just hope that the legal system actually works for the victims and their families in this case and that one of them had a camera running. Seen too many like this one that makes you wonder about things.

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    Do you have a link? This contradicts what the prosecuting attorney and witnesses stated on local television. Both stated the cyclists and driver were heading north, on a road call N. Westnedge.

    Quote Originally Posted by wim View Post
    Some witnesses are reporting that the driver hit the cyclists head-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephxiii View Post
    Commenting sections on news articles are embarrassing for the human race.

    I'm glad news sites started removing them.
    Which is why I never read their comments. Some of these people can barely write a full sentence.
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