I want to be able to carry at least an extra bottle worth of water (two bottles total), with the provision of possibly carrying more even (for long 3 hr + rides)
1. What are "under seat" type cages like? (The double ones)
2. What's a good mini pump so that I can free up a mounting spot for an extra cage/bottle?
3. I assume that any mini pump will be compatible with any cage mounting system?
Any other ideas? I guess there's a couple of options.. 1. Keep the frame pump, get an under seat cage mount system for a total of 3 bottles. 2. Buy a mini pump, get an extra normal cage, and possibly even an under seat mount too (for a total of up to 4 bottles)
I want to be able to carry at least an extra bottle worth of water (two bottles total), with the provision of possibly carrying more even (for long 3 hr + rides)
1. What are "under seat" type cages like? (The double ones)
2. What's a good mini pump so that I can free up a mounting spot for an extra cage/bottle?
3. I assume that any mini pump will be compatible with any cage mounting system?
Any other ideas? I guess there's a couple of options.. 1. Keep the frame pump, get an under seat cage mount system for a total of 3 bottles. 2. Buy a mini pump, get an extra normal cage, and possibly even an under seat mount too (for a total of up to 4 bottles)
Depending on how much you consume, your Camelbak should easily provide you with 3 hours of drink capacity and carry everything you need "in" your H20 pack (even an extra bottle).
I came from a MTBing background, so carrying a H20 pack wasn't inconvenient for me.
I gave loading up my frame a try, but didn't like it
(bottle cage, frame mounted pump, saddle bag, etc...).
So now, I carry all I need plus a little more in my pack and I keep the frame naked!
It's like going "commando" for my bike! Liberating!
Topeak has a 2-part mount that allows you to mount some of their pumps anywhere on the main frame tubes. It might work for your pump as well. If you call them, they might ship you the mount free of charge.
What about in your jersey (or buying one with those pockets)? I know you said you don't want anything on your back but that's not really on your back in the sense it would be with a backpack type rig.
I use the camelbak racebak if I need to carry more water with me for longer rides. Its a great system if you don't mind haven hump on your back and drinking tube hanging out of your jersey.
people claim the under seat mounts are bottle launchers... but they make strap/bolt/clip on mounts to go almost anywhere- frame tubes, off the front of bars like the old skool racers
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Originally Posted by mikagsd
Fat tire Fred....you are the bike god of the universe and unless someone agrees with your reasoning they are just plain stupid
I pack a Lezyne Road Drive L on my newer carbon bike. I used it yesterday to inflat a 700x25 tire. It took around 180 strokes to get up to a rideable psi, which is a lot of pumping. I usually use the mini to seat the tube and inflate to around 30-40 psi and finish off with a 12g co2. I wanted to see if the Lezyne would work o.k. by itself. I was in a good spot, but figure around 200 strokes, which takes about 3 minutes. I don't think I would want to use one of these all the time.
As for a water bottle, I have packed one of those commercial water bottles in my middle jersey pocket and used it to fill up one of my bottles when I get low. When it's empty I throw it in a trash can. I have one place I can full up my bottles on my ride. Water is not ice cold, but it's water.
A full length frame pump means you will never run out of air. Takes about 72 strokes. Park has a new frame pump that adapts to any size frame. If I was in the market for a frame pump I would consider one of those. I carry a full length Blackburn carbon on my steel bike. Fits nice a snug with no need for velcro straps. A full length pump means as long as you have two arms, you have a supply for air.
Second Wind Pump/CO2 combo. Stick that in your underseat pack with a tube and a patch kit. Second bottle mount on the frame and carry a third bottle for really hot days or super long stretches with no available water.
I change my tube then 'trial-inflate' it with the Second wind pump. When I know I did the patch/tube change without problems, I stick in the CO2 cartridge and inflate to riding pressure. If I have two flats on a ride, I still can use the Second Wind pump to get up to pressure, but it takes a while..
Normally I ride tubulars and get very few flats, but if I go with a bunch of clincher riders on a long remote ride, I will ride clinchers to be able to 'combine' repair resources with my riding partners should someone get multiple flats. Just Sunday on a team 100mi ride one guy had 3 clincher flats and only one spare tube..We got him in, no problemo, sharing .
To me, the Morph pumps are too big to be convenient, too small to be terribly effective. I'd either go up to a full-size frame pump, or down to a true minipump that goes alongside the bottle cage.
Barring that, the twofish mount is a good idea. I believe I've also seen folks use the Topeak mount with cable ties to mount it between the chainstays and back wheel, but that might be too tight for this model and/or your bike.
Mini-minipumps aren't that bad to use, once you figure out how. Trying while the wheel is on the bike or otherwise working hand-against-hand is slow, hard, and risks ripping the stem from the tube. If you instead lay the wheel down and rest the pump head against a solid object, the pumping is much quicker and easier. If the situation doesn't allow that, holding it between the knees and using the leg muscles to do the working makes it fast and easy. So what if it looks like a bizarre version of the Charleston.
Yeah, they can take a lot of strokes. But if those strokes are fully in and fully out, and done in a supported manner, they can go by quickly. With my Barbieri - one of the smallest pumps going - I can get 25mm tires to 85 psi in 90 seconds. That's my normal front pressure and plenty to get my 180lbs home, and I can go to my regular rear riding pressure of 100 in two minutes and change.
I asked the same question at my LBS recently and all the guys there said to stay away from them unless I'm doing triathlons.
I used to ride with a lot of triathletes, all of whom had behind the seat bottle holders. On a rough road, they were guaranteed to lose a bottle. You definitely don't want to be behind one of them on a rough descent.
[QUOTE=danl1]To me, the Morph pumps are too big to be convenient, too small to be terribly effective. I'd either go up to a full-size frame pump, or down to a true minipump that goes alongside the bottle cage.
Yeah, they are a little large, but I can cram mine into my seatbag, barely. Way better than wearing a water sack on your back though, just so that you can mount a 'frame' pump. I do have a mini-pump that I'll take along in my back pocket sometimes if I go all 'weight weenie' climbing somewhere. I also have a mini-co2 inflator that I sometimes use, depending on which bike has which wheels on it etc etc. A little zip bag with two cartridges, patch kit and a screw on inflator 'nozzel' about the size of a cell phone..Easy to grab and go.
I really loath the backpack drink systems I see many wearing, but to each his own, I guess.
With one of those on my back and a non-full zip jersey over bibs...it becomes a major production to visit the john..and you risk dropping stuff into the hole in a Porto-pot when you have to wrestle all that stuff off your upper body to drop trow..(ask me how I know that)
Shorts, waterbottles, small pump.
Way better than wearing a water sack on your back though, just so that you can mount a 'frame' pump.
While we're in agreement otherwise, I'm not sure I understand this statement. A proper full-size frame pump doesn't take any water locations: The usual spot is under the top tube, wedged between the seat and head tubes. Running along a seatstay is another popular spot. While that location always gave me the willies (for fear of somehow knocking it into the rear wheel) , it is terribly convenient for wielding the pump against the occasional aggressive dog or pickup truck.
Interestingly, while trying to find some example pics for this, I came across this, that the OP may be interested in:
I use double waterbottle mounts and 24oz bottles.
I carry a mini pump in my small backpack, but you can certainly put a small pump anywhere you want on a frame with cable ties or velcro strips.
I have used the single waterbottle behind the seat by Minoura with no difficulties.
Don't like W/B mounts on Bars, but Minoura also makes one of those.
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A frame fit pump can be mounted to a number of places on the frame, though different length pumps may be needed. The usual spots are underneath the top tube, along the front side of the seat tube, and at about the 7:30 position of the seat tube looking down from the saddle. That last position uses the seatstay/seat tube junction as the top mount and the chainstay/seattube junction at the bottom, on the non-drive side. It may require a shorter frame fit pump, though.
A Topeak Morph pump with a mount that attaches to the bottle cage mounts would be a good way to go, too. If you really need to carry more than that you might want to try one of those bolt-on bottle cages under the downtube just ahead of the bottom bracket or one that attaches to the handlebar. If you have enough seatpost showing you might even want to try zip-tieing a bottle cage to the seatpost.
you can buy a mount for the topeak morph pump (though it came with mine) it can be attached on pretty much any tube on the bike with zip ties. i think you can buy one for about $4. if you google search the morph pump you can get loads of pictures with the pump mounted lots of places
I wanted to buy the Road Morph bracket because the one I had was stolen with the bike that it was on. I went to my local bike shop and they checked and said the distributor was out of stock and wouldn't have any more until November.
I ended up making a bracket for mine...I'll try and remember to post pictures tonight.
Why can't you mount a waterbottle cage on the same seat tube mount as the mini-pump?
They are meant to be piggybacked on the same bolt threads. A good bike shop will have the longer bolts too, if they are necessary. You could also relocate the mini-pump to the downtube studs and reattach the waterbottle cage, then add a seat tube mounted cage.
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