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    Cleat Placemend and Knee

    Good-day,

    Current practice with cleat placement states that the spindle should be some distance behind the ball of your foot. In my case, this is approximately 10mm. Does this change the the practice of having the knee cap plumb with the spindle?

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjspike View Post
    Current practice with cleat placement states that the spindle should be some distance behind the ball of your foot. In my case, this is approximately 10mm. Does this change the the practice of having the knee cap plumb with the spindle?
    KOPS (knee over pedal spindle) is simply a starting point for fitting. Anyone who tells you it is a "practice" is either wrongly dogmatic or simply misinformed. Experience fitters will tell you that once the fit is dialed in, the range is around KOPS +1/-2 cm. Spinners tend to like being more forward, and people who like lower cadence tend to be farther back. Same applies to folks with shorter femurs and longer femurs, but these are just generalizations and fit comprises several other factors.

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    To follow up on Kerry's post: Because KOPS is usually established at rest and ignores plantar- and dorsiflexion of the foot, it can never be more than a starting point. Quite a few people fail to realize that the fore-aft position of the knee changes substantially when raising or dropping the heel during the crank revolution and in response to differing degrees of effort.

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    Thank you both for the clarification.

    Cheers!

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    Try this vid for KOPS myth busting.


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    You can analyze this to death, but the best cleat position is the one that feels right. Start out with it set in the center, and then if you feel that you'd be more comfortable with your foot a little more forward, to the right, etc., move the cleat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    you can analyze this to death, but the best cleat position is the one that feels right. Start out with it set in the center, and then if you feel that you'd be more comfortable with your foot a little more forward, to the right, etc., move the cleat.
    ftw! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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    I recently got a new pair of shoes, and it took a long time to get the cleat position right (it's still not perfect). I started off with the ball of my foot forward of the spindle, and less than an hour in, I could barely ride anymore, it was hurting so bad. Kept sliding the cleat forward, until I realized in my old shoes the ball of my foot is actually behind the spindle. I ride on my toes, so to speak. But for me, that's comfortable. My calves never get tired, or sore, so I guess I've gotten used to being on my toes and activating my calves that much.

    Point is, as has been said, it's very much a personal opinion and whatever your body wants to do.

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    I've tried the cleats in the most forward and rearward positions and only came up with what was popular at the time...Cleats closest to the front felt better for sprints/out-of-saddle climbing, towards the rear felt best for longer threshold-type riding.
    They're now somewhere in the middle.
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