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    I would not be surprised to the the orange SR de rosa goes for well over 2k though, in the auction.

    both droolworthy . C Record w delta brakes is a prime choice among collectors, though . I like seeing SR bikes - they used to be ubiquitous but I haven't seen one on the road in years. Well I guess I have not seen a bike on the road with C record in years either, but there were not so common as SR in the 70s 80s because Shimano was kicking butt with index shifting by the late 80s, early 90s. I had a custom spx marinoni frame with all C record delta I bought new in like 1990 for $2200 all in - stolen a year later
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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    That's a lot of money for a bike that's probably just hang on a hook. Here's one that will probably stay affordable ($930.00 with 3 1/2 days left) that a person wouldn't have to worry about riding.
    I got one of those in the same year, exact same model, Same crank, derailleur, brakes, Cinelli 1-A stem, 66 handlebars. I don't have the pantographed stem. Mine is "Ugo blue." The shop put the same Mavic tubular rims on it. When the brake surfaces got warped by the spokes, like on the bike pictured, I switched to Lambda clincher rims. I get it out when feeling macho. Eddy Merckx reputedly rode the same frame and sought to imitate it in his brand, I tell detractors! . If all I'll get is $930, forget it. I'll just keep it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    another cool thing about Campy - it is the only stuff in cycling that holds it value long term - at least the vintage stuff.
    generally speaking, yes.

    but several vintage front and rear derailleurs command higher prices than nuovo record ... but maybe not super record.
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    ride what you like. if believing you are riding a better group set than everyone else does it for you then do that, if you like the shifting better, that's also fine. me, i'm a shimano guy.

    I'm sure campy is wonderful, but so is dura ace. i could never justify the added cost. it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    I would not be surprised to the the orange SR de rosa goes for well over 2k though, in the auction.

    both droolworthy . C Record w delta brakes is a prime choice among collectors, though . I like seeing SR bikes - they used to be ubiquitous but I haven't seen one on the road in years. Well I guess I have not seen a bike on the road with C record in years either, but there were not so common as SR in the 70s 80s because Shimano was kicking butt with index shifting by the late 80s, early 90s. I had a custom spx marinoni frame with all C record delta I bought new in like 1990 for $2200 all in - stolen a year later
    Man, that hadda hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    I got one of those in the same year, exact same model, Same crank, derailleur, brakes, Cinelli 1-A stem, 66 handlebars. I don't have the pantographed stem. Mine is "Ugo blue." The shop put the same Mavic tubular rims on it. When the brake surfaces got warped by the spokes, like on the bike pictured, I switched to Lambda clincher rims. I get it out when feeling macho. Eddy Merckx reputedly rode the same frame and sought to imitate it in his brand, I tell detractors! . If all I'll get is $930, forget it. I'll just keep it!
    I've got a red one, with the slopping fork crown and full SR. I hardly ride ir anymore, but I wouldn't want to sell it. Probably my favorite bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upstateSC-rider View Post
    . . .is that thumb shifter, WTH were they thinking with that?
    Oh yea, having your brake lever also shift makes sense. Sh*tmano sucks. Can't even multi-shift with 9100 Dura Ace. . . One click at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Man, that hadda hurt.
    yes, in retrospect. however insurance bought me a new Klein Attitude for nearly $3k. an even more notable bike, and yet more collectable today (however I sold it long long ago)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    generally speaking, yes.

    but several vintage front and rear derailleurs command higher prices than nuovo record ... but maybe not super record.
    hmm wonder why? the supply/demand thing maybe. everyone had SR back in the 70s and 80s, must be a ton of it out there

    I've been shopping for a campy brifter setup this week. Some of the Veloce from the 90s is worth the same as chain reaction is charging for new Veloce today. and this is merely .. Veloce, 105 level stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    hmm wonder why? the supply/demand thing maybe. everyone had SR back in the 70s and 80s, must be a ton of it out there
    Yes, and don't forget Simplex and Huret. SR was the later post '87 version of Suntour Maeda after they moved production from Japan to Taiwan.

    The original Suntour Superb Pro was very good. They invented the the slant-parallelogram rear derailleur in '64, which everyone including Campy copied later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z'mer View Post
    Yes, and don't forget Simplex and Huret. SR was the later post '87 version of Suntour Maeda after they moved production from Japan to Taiwan.

    The original Suntour Superb Pro was very good. They invented the the slant-parallelogram rear derailleur in '64, which everyone including Campy copied later.
    It's a shame that Shimano was so much larger than SunTour that they were just able to overpower SunTour right out of the picture. SunTour was a much better product than Shimano.

    And Simplex made, what I consider, the best non indexed shift levers to have been mounted on a bike. They also do not come cheap these days.

    And try finding a Stronglight roller bearing headset. A damn fine headset that demands a high prise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z'mer View Post
    Yes, and don't forget Simplex and Huret. SR was the later post '87 version of Suntour Maeda after they moved production from Japan to Taiwan.

    The original Suntour Superb Pro was very good. They invented the the slant-parallelogram rear derailleur in '64, which everyone including Campy copied later.
    are we talking the same thing SR= Super Record?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    are we talking the same thing SR= Super Record?
    I think he's talking Sakae Ringyo which is, probably, as far removed from Campagnolo SR as it is from SunTour Superbe Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    hmm wonder why? the supply/demand thing maybe.
    guess so. first gen suntour cyclone fetches more than nuovo record. they don't look as good (to me), but the longer cage certainly makes them more versatile.

    everyone had [super record] back in the 70s and 80s.
    was it that ubiquitous? for the last eight years or so, i've rarely seen it on seattle's craigslist bikes. maybe 'cause the rear derailleurs alone will fetch $100. people harvest it. my '84 davidson bought a few years ago was complete except for the missing derailleurs and shifters. luckily, i found an '80s mondia as a donor. to me, there's little more cool looking than an '80s super record rear derailleur hanging from vintage steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    generally speaking, yes.

    but several vintage front and rear derailleurs command higher prices than nuovo record ... but maybe not super record.
    A riding buddy gave me a NOS Nuovo Record rear derailleur. Its noticeably heavier than the SR version, so I switched back. Might sell it in my old age. If I ever have to replace the SR on there now, it'll be with a longer cage slant parallel design that can handle a 28 t. freewheel. These two hit cogs bigger than 24 t.

    Riders used to refer to SR as "jewels" attesting to its durability.

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    That's an affirmative Red Rider...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Nuovo Record rear derailleur ... SR version... These two hit cogs bigger than 24 t.
    i use 28t big cogs with all my vintage campy. you gotta get the chain length right. don't use the big/big combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    i use 28t big cogs with all my vintage campy. you gotta get the chain length right. don't use the big/big combo.
    Y'know, I think I tried it a long time ago. I had to take out one or two links in the chain to get the jockey wheel cage to clear the 28 and wrap the chain around it. Then decided the chain was too tight in 53-20, which I used a lot. Shop geeks were saying make the chain as loose as possible, and it and the cogs will last longer. So put the links back. When I added a link or two to get the chain the same tension as before, the cage hit the 28 even worse.

    Those old derailleurs were rated up to 24 t., so I just went with that after giving up on the 28. I like the crisp shifting of the SR derailleur with down tube friction shifters; the bike is light enough to climb in 42-23; so heck, I'll keep it going to be period correct. The commuter has a 28, temporarily [four years ago!] running with, gasp!, Shimano Deore. It happened to fit the 6 speed freewheel stop points, so slapped it on. The stop screws on a nice Campy Veloce wouldn't screw in far enough to prevent the chain from falling off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Y'know, I think I tried it a long time ago. I had to take out one or two links in the chain to get the jockey wheel cage to clear the 28 and wrap the chain around it. Then decided the chain was too tight in 53-20, which I used a lot. Shop geeks were saying make the chain as loose as possible, and it and the cogs will last longer. So put the links back. When I added a link or two to get the chain the same tension as before, the cage hit the 28 even worse.

    Those old derailleurs were rated up to 24 t., so I just went with that after giving up on the 28. I like the crisp shifting of the SR derailleur with down tube friction shifters; the bike is light enough to climb in 42-23; so heck, I'll keep it going to be period correct. The commuter has a 28, temporarily [four years ago!] running with, gasp!, Shimano Deore. It happened to fit the 6 speed freewheel stop points, so slapped it on. The stop screws on a nice Campy Veloce wouldn't screw in far enough to prevent the chain from falling off.
    You need to chase down an old Campagnolo Rally rear derailleur. This was the long cage Nuovo Record design. I used it for years on my touring bikes - still have my 1980 trek 720 with Nuovo Record hubs, shifters, Rally rder, Campy 980 front der (came out in the early 80s as their first one designed for triple cranks), Nuovo Record pedals. I had to use a Sugino crankset because Campy didn't make a triple that could handle the gearing I wanted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Y'know, I think I tried it a long time ago. I had to take out one or two links in the chain to get the jockey wheel cage to clear the 28 and wrap the chain around it. Then decided the chain was too tight in 53-20, which I used a lot. Shop geeks were saying make the chain as loose as possible, and it and the cogs will last longer. So put the links back. When I added a link or two to get the chain the same tension as before, the cage hit the 28 even worse.

    Those old derailleurs were rated up to 24 t., so I just went with that after giving up on the 28. I like the crisp shifting of the SR derailleur with down tube friction shifters; the bike is light enough to climb in 42-23; so heck, I'll keep it going to be period correct. The commuter has a 28, temporarily [four years ago!] running with, gasp!, Shimano Deore. It happened to fit the 6 speed freewheel stop points, so slapped it on. The stop screws on a nice Campy Veloce wouldn't screw in far enough to prevent the chain from falling off.
    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    You need to chase down an old Campagnolo Rally rear derailleur. This was the long cage Nuovo Record design. I used it for years on my touring bikes - still have my 1980 trek 720 with Nuovo Record hubs, shifters, Rally rder, Campy 980 front der (came out in the early 80s as their first one designed for triple cranks), Nuovo Record pedals. I had to use a Sugino crankset because Campy didn't make a triple that could handle the gearing I wanted...
    Or replace the cage plates on that NR derailleur to handle the larger cogs.

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    A little topical Campy NOS pr0n:

    This is my Chorus 8-spd NOS I found on ebay a few years ago, right out of the box, brand spanking new.



    That's a brand spanking new Record 12-23 cassette I mated it to. New cables and chain too, of course.

    Rig for silent running! Like buttah through the gears. Stealth, style, sophistication, silence and speed. That's the NOS Campy difference.tm

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    Beautiful. My steel GIOS Compact Pro is alloy Chorus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    You need to chase down an old Campagnolo Rally rear derailleur. This was the long cage Nuovo Record design...
    Soma sells long cage plates for vintage campy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    ride what you like. if believing you are riding a better group set than everyone else does it for you then do that, if you like the shifting better, that's also fine. me, i'm a shimano guy.

    I'm sure campy is wonderful, but so is dura ace. i could never justify the added cost. it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Or replace the cage plates on that NR derailleur to handle the larger cogs.

    Genuine Campy Rally Cage plate pair NOS - the real deal!
    Interesting site! Thanks for the heads up! Gonna bookmark it for future reference!

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