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    Quote Originally Posted by majbuzz View Post
    The Beave probably got nipped at the line by Eddie Haskell and he doesn't want to tell us.
    June Cleaver: Ward, don't you think you were a little rough on the Beaver last nite...?

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    Did a 21:13 today in a 5k, then when I run 10k I seem to hold an 8 minute mile pace. Running the San Diego marathon this year, hoping to hold an 8 minute mile once for the whole race

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    I'm late to the thread, but I can't believe the OP hasn't told us how he fared (re: how sore he was after the attempt!)

    Good cyclists aren't necessarily good runners, and vice versa.

    I'm a better runner than a cyclist. I was once in a team triathlon event, and some of the competitors in the run were also cyclists I'd raced with. A couple were state champions and I would easily be dropped in a bike race against them.

    I smeared both of them in the run. One even congratulated me on my finish, which was top 5 overall.

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    these sort of "running vs cycling" discussion is always fun.

    but any physiologist will say that running is ALWAYS harder than cycling at the top level

    - in running, you never see a big guy in the front
    - tall and skinny guys can be great climbers and time trialists in cycling, but in running their joints won't last
    - big and heavy guy can be great road sprinters in the pro peloton, but in running, they'll be promptly dropped in the first couple miles by highschool runners, nevermind elite runners

    IMO, running at the elite level requires much more specificity. That is, most of them have the same body type and similar physiology, where as in cycling you have a much wider spectrum of body types and physiology. Calves and achilles are also very important in running, so if you're not blessed with good anatomy in these area, then you're screw even if you may have a big aerobic capacity. In cycling, because of the bicycle's mechanical advantage, it somewhat levels out the differences anatomical advantages/differences between cyclists, thus making aerobic capacity more of a determinant factor in cycling.

    my opinion is that a great runner can much easier transform into a good/great cyclist than the other way around. But a good/great cyclist would not automatically be a great runner. The older ones get, the harder it is to transition to running, and it's completely foolish for any aging cycling "Masters" or Cat1/2/3/4/5 local hero to even think they could hang with the good local high school runners (yes, local high school) in, say, a half marathon

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    The older ones get, the harder it is to transition to running, and it's completely foolish for any aging cycling "Masters" or Cat1/2/3/4/5 local hero to even think they could hang with the good local high school runners (yes, local high school) in, say, a half marathon
    While I don't necessarily disagree with the notion of a random bike racer not being able to run well, most high school runners aren't that good, either, and very few of them are running a half marathon. Sort of a random distance there. 5ks? Sure. Halfs? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalbiker View Post
    While I don't necessarily disagree with the notion of a random bike racer not being able to run well, most high school runners aren't that good, either, and very few of them are running a half marathon. Sort of a random distance there. 5ks? Sure. Halfs? No.
    I'm talking about county level runners, they'll run 5:30 - 5:45 mile in the 5k. But for argument's sake and take a 6 min mile. How many your local Masters and climber heroes (nevermind fat crit guys with beer bellies) can hold that pace in a 5k? My guess is NOT many. Serious high school runners will do low 5min mile in 5k, state level will do sub-5min. How many Tour racers will run sub-5 min mile in 5k? Probably not many either.
    Ehhh let's just get ot the bottomline here, aging Masters and local Cat1,2,3 will be dropped by good high schoolers in 5k, 10k, half marathon, marathon (yes, they do run those though it's outside of school competition). End of story bro.

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    Running sucks, just ask Usain Bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    I'm talking about county level runners, they'll run 5:30 - 5:45 mile in the 5k. But for argument's sake and take a 6 min mile. How many your local Masters and climber heroes (nevermind fat crit guys with beer bellies) can hold that pace in a 5k? My guess is NOT many. Serious high school runners will do low 5min mile in 5k, state level will do sub-5min. How many Tour racers will run sub-5 min mile in 5k? Probably not many either.
    Ehhh let's just get ot the bottomline here, aging Masters and local Cat1,2,3 will be dropped by good high schoolers in 5k, 10k, half marathon, marathon (yes, they do run those though it's outside of school competition). End of story bro.
    Your post implies you don't know very much about high school running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    I'm talking about county level runners, they'll run 5:30 - 5:45 mile in the 5k. But for argument's sake and take a 6 min mile. How many your local Masters and climber heroes (nevermind fat crit guys with beer bellies) can hold that pace in a 5k? My guess is NOT many. Serious high school runners will do low 5min mile in 5k, state level will do sub-5min. How many Tour racers will run sub-5 min mile in 5k? Probably not many either.
    Ehhh let's just get ot the bottomline here, aging Masters and local Cat1,2,3 will be dropped by good high schoolers in 5k, 10k, half marathon, marathon (yes, they do run those though it's outside of school competition). End of story bro.
    You're mixing and matching here. How many middle aged 5K / 10K shufflers can keep up with high school CCers? How many high school CCers would keep up with even a Cat 4 race? Not many in either case.

    Also, I'd add that success in cycling racing is about far more than physical prowess. For example: Joe Dombrowski, a physical prodigy who's won very little in pro racing despite years of experience.

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    Here's my take. Running and riding can support each other nicely if your goal is to be a faster runner AND a faster cyclist or if adding in the cross training is a way to increase workout time per week.

    That said, a seasoned athlete replacing some weekly runs with rides (and vice versa) probably won't see an improvement. That is unless it clears up some over training / rejuvenates some burnt out legs and mind.

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    Down to a 20:24 5k and I need to run another 10k to see where I'm at. Rode some of my old areas from before I moved a couple weeks ag, and am crushing my old personal records. Between running and cycling,, getting stronger , faster and stronger.

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    Did my first 10k race on Thanksgiving, 44:06 was the time. Did a 5k 20 minutes later , we will not talk about that time.

    First Half Marathon is in a couple weeks, see how it goes
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    did my first 10km "race" ina long time a few weeks ago, was aiming for 70min, was happy with 65. Last time I did a10K was the same race in 1991 when I did 49, sadly was aiming for low 40's then, had a terrible time. But since it wan't long ago I couldnt run 2km (at not even 8min/km pace), happy goings. (I even did 14km the other day, that was a first, I can see a half happening nex year)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter P. View Post
    I'm late to the thread, but I can't believe the OP hasn't told us how he fared (re: how sore he was after the attempt!)

    Good cyclists aren't necessarily good runners, and vice versa.

    I'm a better runner than a cyclist. I was once in a team triathlon event, and some of the competitors in the run were also cyclists I'd raced with. A couple were state champions and I would easily be dropped in a bike race against them.

    I smeared both of them in the run. One even congratulated me on my finish, which was top 5 overall.
    In bold...so true. I have crushed guys on the bike who have broken 3 hours in the Boston Marathon and in my advancing years, I can hardly run at all without injuring myself. I admit surprise how many good runners are slow on the bike. Almost astounding how mutually exclusive cycling and running are. Same with swimming and cycling. I grew up swimming competitively and was never a strong runner but a good cyclist.

    A brief story. I am an old man and I bike and swim almost everyday. This last year, I met a young college swimmer through his parents and ocassionally we would swim together. I have taught swimming and so I am pretty confident in my ability to beat people in the pool, only to meet this young man who was faster in all four strokes than I was at his age. Maybe you guys have ridden with CAT 1 cyclists who have what I call 'easy speed'...they can ride say 23 mph or so loafing at a cadence of 60 RPM or so. This kid had this kind of speed in the water and growing up swimming with fast swimmers, I have seen it before. A gift. So he would handicap me and we would race. Only chance I had heads up is his breastroke against my freestyle. He is swimming competitively right now and trains everyday.. For a guy who still feels he can shred the water, having this kid crush me in the pool was a tough thing to accept, but I had little choice. An aside is, I know a lot about stroke mechanics and this young man not only knows more than me but has better form and this combined with his superior strength and flexibility, why it wasn't close. Initially when we met, I thought it was going to be me helping this young man with refining his form. Only to end up the other way around. He taught me things, I never learned about technique based upon more modern stroke mechanics. Truly a lesson in humility...in particular about being more hydrodynamic off the wall during a flip turn. He was so fast under water coming off the wall. His body is like a torpedo sub with wicked dolphin kick. To be young and so flexible.
    How the best in the world do it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZSUQwfg6ZU

    So, I wanted my revenge against this cocky kid ;) and get him on the bike. Long story short after several sprints and riding about 30 miles...I fitted him on my backup roadbike, I could beat this kid on the bike as bad as he could beat me in the water. Difference being of course, we are both trained in the water and he has very little experience on a road bike and roadbiking like many sports is a skill...not to mention the subject at hand, different muscles to running or swimming. On the bike, he basically went anaerobic after 25mph or so...had nothing and I was even faster up to speed. But, he was a total novice on the bike...he like many kids has ridden a lot of BMX tho. I am pretty sure he would crush me in a foot race because I can no longer run well, but I still have good speed in the pool and on the bike. He has amazing speed in the pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post

    Maybe you guys have ridden with CAT 1 cyclists who have what I call 'easy speed'...they can ride say 23 mph or so loafing at a cadence of 60 RPM or so.
    WTF do you keep going on about? Do you have any understanding at all of what a cat 1 is?

    This whole "cat 1s ride 22-23 mph at 60 rpm and 88 bpm" is both absurd and nonsensical.

    -signed,
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    There's no real answer for this question. I primarily ride but do run on occasion. Sometimes more regularly than others. I've gotten my one minute mile down to a 7.5 minute pace but at my age its hard to see myself improving. I have a better shot at endurance running and improving my time over longer stretches which I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    I'm talking about county level runners, they'll run 5:30 - 5:45 mile in the 5k. But for argument's sake and take a 6 min mile. How many your local Masters and climber heroes (nevermind fat crit guys with beer bellies) can hold that pace in a 5k? My guess is NOT many. Serious high school runners will do low 5min mile in 5k, state level will do sub-5min. How many Tour racers will run sub-5 min mile in 5k? Probably not many either.
    Ehhh let's just get ot the bottomline here, aging Masters and local Cat1,2,3 will be dropped by good high schoolers in 5k, 10k, half marathon, marathon (yes, they do run those though it's outside of school competition). End of story bro.
    I don't know about crossover potential, but I would point out that older athletes actually do quite well in very long distance races. For example, at quite a few triathlons I've competed in, the fastest age bracket is actually the 40-somethings. Sprints are a young persons game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    I don't know about crossover potential, but I would point out that older athletes actually do quite well in very long distance races. For example, at quite a few triathlons I've competed in, the fastest age bracket is actually the 40-somethings. Sprints are a young persons game.
    In professional cycling typical retirement age is mid to late 30's....considered an endurance sport

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    I don't know about crossover potential, but I would point out that older athletes actually do quite well in very long distance races. For example, at quite a few triathlons I've competed in, the fastest age bracket is actually the 40-somethings. Sprints are a young persons game.
    Definitely a potential.

    Tim Cusick talked up his athlete Amber Neben as an example of this.

    Hasn't increased vo2 or shorter duration power, but has increased the amount of time she can hold higher outputs.

    Good enough to win an elite world championship time trial title last year and a national road race championship this year.

    42 years of crushing legs and hearts.

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