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    Spinng on climbs !

    What are you a Masher or Spinner ?

    I've always been known as a masher, and enjoy standing and attacking climbs. So today I wanted practice staying seated and spinning on climbs. So I went out and played on some hills, tad under 9 miles of climbing. I did revert to old habits several times on a couple climbs but reminded myself to practice spinning. Hey old dogs can learn new tricks, but oh how the urge to stand is hard to break. Fun day !

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipp2001 View Post
    What are you a Masher or Spinner ?

    I've always been known as a masher, and enjoy standing and attacking climbs. So today I wanted practice staying seated and spinning on climbs. So I went out and played on some hills, tad under 9 miles of climbing. I did revert to old habits several times on a couple climbs but reminded myself to practice spinning. Hey old dogs can learn new tricks, but oh how the urge to stand is hard to break. Fun day !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWMNf1HZ7U
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    Quote Originally Posted by redondoaveb View Post
    Nice 370z in the background, yours? I'm looking for sport model right now. Sorry for changing the subject.
    Yes ! It's a little rocket, and a blast to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipp2001 View Post
    Yes ! It's a little rocket, and a blast to drive.
    That's why I'm looking for one.
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    I am generally a spinner. The only time I sometimes mash is near the top of a hill.
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    Spinner. If I don't spiny, my knees remind me to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I am generally a spinner. The only time I sometimes mash is near the top of a hill.
    Same here and it works quite well for me.

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    I am mainly a spinner, but I like to stand up on the steep bits to stretch out my legs and lower back. Then as soon as the grade relaxes a bit I sit down (and shift back down). In order for this to work right, you have to shift up a gear or two just before you stand up - this helps keep the momentum up.

    Decades ago during a multi-day tour down the Blue Ridge Parkway I stood up for a section of a climb without first shifting up and lost a lot of momentum. "Idiot!" I told myself, "You have to shift up, then stand up..." And then my warped mind took over and came up with this:

    Shift up, stand up...
    Stand up for the climb.


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    I feel spinning vs mashing comes down more to fitness and gear choice than any actual preference.

    In top form, I spin way more simply because I have the power to push the pedals faster.

    Sitting and spinning is typically a faster way to climb for longer durations than standing.

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    I am 5'10'' 200lbs. I climb like a 1/2 blind, 3 legged Billie goat pulling a sled full of rocks. I get there, but it takes a long time. Grades above 7 won't let me spin for long. I just don't the the P/W ratio. So I wind up in the smallest gear and mashing. awesome. 7 and down and I'll usually find a good comfortable rhythm in the mid to upper 70s. I guess that is not exactly spinning either.

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    I alternate positions, very frequently.

    I will take a little issue with your terminology, however. Standing is not necessarily "mashing". I consider "mashing" to refer to using a relatively high gear and thus a relatively low cadence, more often sitting than standing. Pro climbers like Contador are out of the saddle often, sometimes for long stretches, but they're not "mashing."

    See if you can find some video of the 1998 Tour de France, in the mountain stages after Pantani took the lead, and Ullrich attacked on several climbs to try to regain time. Pantani always went right with him, and there are some classic moments illustrating the contrast in styles, with Pantani standing up at a relatively high cadence, "dancing" on the pedals, and Ullrich beside him seated pushing a big gear. Pantani was the one standing, but Ullrich was the one mashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCavilia View Post
    I alternate positions, very frequently.

    I will take a little issue with your terminology, however. Standing is not necessarily "mashing". I consider "mashing" to refer to using a relatively high gear and thus a relatively low cadence, more often sitting than standing. Pro climbers like Contador are out of the saddle often, sometimes for long stretches, but they're not "mashing."

    See if you can find some video of the 1998 Tour de France, in the mountain stages after Pantani took the lead, and Ullrich attacked on several climbs to try to regain time. Pantani always went right with him, and there are some classic moments illustrating the contrast in styles, with Pantani standing up at a relatively high cadence, "dancing" on the pedals, and Ullrich beside him seated pushing a big gear. Pantani was the one standing, but Ullrich was the one mashing.
    Pantini was an exciting rider to watch climb back in his day. Its a shame he was just another doper. To the original question, I try to be a spinner but when the grade get to a certain point (over 8%) I start in with some ugly mashing. As a heavier rider (180lbs) standing while climbing is not really a good option

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    I pedal according to the grade and the distance of the climb.

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    spinning up a climb for a sustained threshold or close to threshold effort is mixture of
    1. hard practice (i.e., you gotta climb)
    2. proper gearing
    3. a perfect bike fit

    (The same can also be said of time trialing, of course).

    If your bike fitting is even a little off, you'll go numb (under high effort) and that's when you'll start to get out of the saddle because either your crotch is numb or your back is strained or your mental focus is starting to waver.

    When I say spinning, I mean 80 rpm minimum, but preferably 85+. Below 80 rpm, you're not really spinning. Time to get lower gearing. I notice that for a lot of folks, even racers, when the grade gets to be around 8%-10% or higher, that's when they start to pedal in square, their hips start to rock side to side. You know, when the grades get to a certain level, there is really no pretty pedaling method anymore unless you start to switch to 32t-36t cassette.

    for me, I like to practice on a road that has consistent 5-7% gradient because this usually allows me to focus on form without the square pedaling. Steep but short hill repeats are fun, but I don't fine these little repeats long enough to allow me to get into a sustained high effort rhythm.
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