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    Of course I'm sure...that doesn't mean I'm right.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    And the arborist site has some guy criticizing the use of the term coil insisting that it be called ignition. ...
    I've invited him over to P.O. I'm Loblolly his end. That's Mister Loblolly. and

    It's an F'in coil. Peoples are not my favourite peoples, sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregory Taylor View Post
    It is hard to diagnose over the internet, but it could be as simple as the darn thing is overheating. It is air cooled...

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    Actually, I just cleaned out all the fins on the cylinder and head when I cleaned it up to put the new carb in, they were pretty gross. Haven't used it since so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    As far as I've read, you've covered everything to code. Text book would be running the saw as normally doing so, but with the second fill-up, plug pulled replacing with a fresh gaped one to install. This would eliminate the notions on expansion. I'm stihl interested in the bar assembly for some reason, though. Running a chainsaw fuel supply empty does not affect outcomes. I've always run to dry.
    Well I put a brand new plug in this morning, so that would be the test of the plug, but I am fairly certain it was carburetion. The only thing I haven't done is replaced the fuel line.

    When you say bar and chain assembly, are you thinking binding or chain brake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    Actually, I just cleaned out all the fins on the cylinder and head when I cleaned it up to put the new carb in, they were pretty gross. Haven't used it since so....
    It wouldn't be overheating. If your compression is good cold or hot and the draw start operates in the same manor, then you could check that one off the list. I would just like to see while pulling the plug what vapourises before that second tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    Well I put a brand new plug in this morning, so that would be the test of the plug, but I am fairly certain it was carburetion. The only thing I haven't done is replaced the fuel line.

    When you say bar and chain assembly, are you thinking binding or chain brake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    As far as I've read, you've covered everything to code. Text book would be running the saw as normally doing so, but with the second fill-up, plug pulled replacing with a fresh gaped one to install. This would eliminate the notions on expansion. I'm stihl interested in the bar assembly for some reason, though. Running a chainsaw fuel supply empty does not affect outcomes. I've always run to dry.
    If I did not run the saw dry, how would I know when it needed fuel? I have always run them dry unless i quit for the day before they run out. I ALWAYS fuel, sharpen and clean before I put them away. (just in case I need it at 4:00 am so my wife can get to work. And yes, it has happened)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    .5 mm, done...
    This sounds really to small, I have never had a plug with less than about 1/16" gap, I think they use thousand'ths for usa. If you really have it set to .5mm, I would imagine the plug is shorting out when it gets hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
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    Nope not the chain brake, checked it
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    Quote Originally Posted by duriel View Post
    This sounds really to small, I have never had a plug with less than about 1/16" gap, I think they use thousand'ths for usa. If you really have it set to .5mm, I would imagine the plug is shorting out when it gets hot.
    It calls out for .5mm [.020] but I'd be happier at .635mm [.025]. That's personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duriel View Post
    This sounds really to small, I have never had a plug with less than about 1/16" gap, I think they use thousand'ths for usa. If you really have it set to .5mm, I would imagine the plug is shorting out when it gets hot.
    specs= .5mm or .021

    Keep in mind I have been using the 028 since 1982, I bought the 028 Super used in dec of 2011. I maintain and service them myself and always have. Well, not true, in 2011 the old 028 had to go in to the shop for its first and only work (new crankcase seals, carb kit and intake manifold)
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    What's the difference between the 028 and the 028 S aside from the longer stroke and wider girth? Any appearance stickers or carbonfibre? Is it lighter and/or by how much? Do you really feel the difference and can you upgrade a 028 to a 028 S inexpensively?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    What's the difference between the 028 and the 028 S aside from the longer stroke and wider girth? Any appearance stickers or carbonfibre? Is it lighter and/or by how much? Do you really feel the difference and can you upgrade a 028 to a 028 S inexpensively?
    Bigger engine, and I sure can tell the difference. Crank etc may be the same. My 028 WB is labeled as such (along with embossed "made in West Germany" on the crankcase) the 028 AV Super is labeled as that and was made in West Virginia. I will say for sure the MS 261 C-M is as strong or stronger than the super, 2 pounds lighter and better balanced. It took a few tanks to seat everything properly, but it is an INCREDIBLE saw. I was going to cut today but I am just plain tired, it is hovering a few degrees above freezing an everything is covered with ice and slicker than greased snot. Jim and I cut most of a cord on Sunday and i split and stacked it Tuesday. I think I cracked a rib about 2 weeks ago and splitting with the maul on Wednesday was probably not the brightest thing to do
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    Thanks for starting these saw threads, I have an older 026 as well.
    The on/off switch can get dirty over time, I had to clean mine last summer. Also make sure you get a new air filter screen. Even though mine looked clean, turns out it was full of old thick oil, a new one made a big difference. Unrelated, but my lawn mower was hard starting hot, and a new plug and air filter cured it.

    If you still have problems, also check the plug for spark quality when hot. Probably not much else to go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z'mer View Post
    Thanks for starting these saw threads, I have an older 026 as well.
    The on/off switch can get dirty over time, I had to clean mine last summer. Also make sure you get a new air filter screen. Even though mine looked clean, turns out it was full of old thick oil, a new one made a big difference. Unrelated, but my lawn mower was hard starting hot, and a new plug and air filter cured it.

    If you still have problems, also check the plug for spark quality when hot. Probably not much else to go wrong.
    The new coil provides new on/off contacts so that is taken care of. The ground wire (kill switch) can short sometimes but that's not it either but it is a good tip. I bought 4 new air filters last year and I clean or check them every time I put them away. It's funny, so many people buy "not enough" saw. My new one, I went with the pro series. Consider, a logger makes maybe 6 cuts on a tree, for firewood we make maybe 30 or more! The old 02x series were mostly equivalent to the best of the farm and ranch saws of today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    For reference, I have yet to try it with both the new coil and new carburetor.
    I'd like to see the circuit on the coil, if a schematic was doable. There are times high heat can trigger a circuit to open up causing a no start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    I'd like to see the circuit on the coil, if a schematic was doable. There are times high heat can trigger a circuit to open up causing a no start.

    Never mind.
    Since the first thing I did was replace the coil and it was still doing it , I am reasonably sure it is not the coil, although I did reset the air gap, I had the wrong specs. I have changed so many things since the last time I tried, I may never know what the problem actually was (although, my money is still on the carburetor (fingers crossed))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chain View Post
    I think 2 strokes would be a bit premature...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP View Post
    Only if you think you might want to go back at some point in the future.
    Perfect answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    .... I am reasonably sure it is not the coil, although I did reset the air gap,....
    The magnetic energy falls off quickly with a greater gap, and from what I've understood, these Stihls are very high tolerance in those setting. Some individual use a match book or a sheet of paper but ...knowing you ...it's pure feeler gauge in a stamp standard order.

    But again, now that you mentioned it, you've already went through the 1 fill-up and no start second fill-up ...proving that it ain't the coil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    Do you not remember OEH's thread of many years ago?
    Fill me in...no, wait, poor choice of words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    The magnetic energy falls off quickly with a greater gap, and from what I've understood, these Stihls are very high tolerance in those setting. Some individual use a match book or a sheet of paper but ...knowing you ...it's pure feeler gauge in a stamp standard order.

    But again, now that you mentioned it, you've already went through the 1 fill-up and no start second fill-up ...proving that it ain't the coil.
    No, second fill up STARTS fine, but it ran like total crap, it lost power under load and was totally ineffective as a saw. It ran and would keep starting if I killed it. It just had no power like it wasn't firing properly, whether it be from spark, air or fuel. And of course I used a feeler guage, why wouldn't I? Spec's say:

    BREAKER POINT SETTING:
    0.35 to 0.40mm (0.014 to 0.016 in.)

    I set it to .015
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Fill me in...no, wait, poor choice of words.

    No.

    I wish I could find it but she is the one who introduced us to that particular loungism. Since then,, it has been a truly customary subject line!

    Thanks OEH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch0Gray View Post
    I wish I could find it but she is the one who introduced us to that particular loungism. Since then,, it has been a truly customary subject line!

    Thanks OEH!
    That thread was deleted. I just went through her stack and those post titles were funnier to read then the actual content. Well, not exactly because the content was hilarious too. So many talented individuals and brilliant minds.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    That thread was deleted. I just went through her stack and those post titles were funnier to read then the actual content. Well, not exactly because the content was hilarious too. So many talented individuals and brilliant minds.
    True dat, I tried to lure them back but apparently they are all addicted to Facebook
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