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    Amazing Doctor, We need more like him.


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    Wow, what a terrific story. Learn something everyday.

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    ah yes, the circus sideshow freaks era of entertainment. good riddance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    ah yes, the circus sideshow freaks era of entertainment. good riddance.
    Did you even read the article? Based on your comment, I'm hoping the answer is no.

    And sideshow freak entertainment hasn't gone away, it's just been taken out of the circus and put on tv and the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP View Post
    Did you even read the article? Based on your comment, I'm hoping the answer is no.

    And sideshow freak entertainment hasn't gone away, it's just been taken out of the circus and put on tv and the internet.
    he only does knee jerk reactions to headlines.

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    There was a long article about this doctor a few years ago in some historical magazine I read. Yes, this doctor DID save a few lives, and also made money as a sideshow attraction. Seems like there were probably more 'open spaces' during summer than during the off-season.....

    Luckily, the spectacle of his sideshow made for changes in health care. I would shudder to think about how somebody could monetize medical procedures for public spectacle today.....
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    I'm curious if this is the same doctor who had incubators at Dreamland. Note that Ms. Horn was born nine years after the park burned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrac View Post
    I'm curious if this is the same doctor who had incubators at Dreamland. Note that Ms. Horn was born nine years after the park burned.
    Yes, I believe it is. He exhibited at Coney Island and various fairs from 1900 up into the 1940's. He probably continued to exhibit at the other Coney Island parks after Dreamland was destroyed in 1911.

    daniell, you say we need more like him. Do you really think medical research should be funded by exhibiting patients in sideshows? I would hope we'd progressed beyond that. Maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCavilia View Post
    Do you really think medical research should be funded by exhibiting patients in sideshows? I would hope we'd progressed beyond that. Maybe not.
    I don't think anybody is saying research should be funded in that way. I think what he means is, maybe more doctors should be willing to explore unconventional ideas when there's no better alternative and the patient (or patient's parents in this situation) is willing to try. And we have progressed beyond his method but maybe it would have taken much longer in that particular area if not for his work. Which would have meant a lot of people burying their premature babies that didn't have to because of what he was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrac View Post
    I'm curious if this is the same doctor who had incubators at Dreamland. Note that Ms. Horn was born nine years after the park burned.
    Same doctor had a sideshow at the 1933 Chicago World's fair...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCavilia View Post
    Yes, I believe it is. He exhibited at Coney Island and various fairs from 1900 up into the 1940's. He probably continued to exhibit at the other Coney Island parks after Dreamland was destroyed in 1911.

    daniell, you say we need more like him. Do you really think medical research should be funded by exhibiting patients in sideshows? I would hope we'd progressed beyond that. Maybe not.
    He did not take a penny from the parents. According to the article, he saved over 1000 people. He had to get funding somehow. Can we apply today's standards? What were his options at that time? Today when I walk into my doctor's office, and I am greeted with a smile, I always think, how would I be greeted without my insurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniell View Post
    He did not take a penny from the parents. According to the article, he saved over 1000 people. He had to get funding somehow. Can we apply today's standards? What were his options at that time? Today when I walk into my doctor's office, and I am greeted with a smile, I always think, how would I be greeted without my insurance?
    Perfectly fair points. I was being unnecessarily snarky. Though my question about whether we've progressed was somewhat serious, and I take your final point.
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    Couney, who died in 1950 and is viewed today as a pioneer in neonatology, estimated that he successfully kept alive about 7,500 of the 8,500 children who were taken to his "baby farm" at the Coney Island boardwalk. They remained there until the early 1940s, when incubators became widely used in hospitals.
    Wow. He did what he had to do to save lives without prejudicing any family who couldn't afford to pay. Those were different times back then and I'm sure the parents of these children were eternally grateful to Dr. Couney, even if it meant their children were put on display.
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    I was a month premature and weighed 2.5 lbs when I was born in the early 60's, was baptized and received the last rites at the same time, and then spent a few months in an incubator. Once I found out about this guy, I've considered myself a circus baby ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryman View Post
    I was a month premature and weighed 2.5 lbs when I was born in the early 60's, was baptized and received the last rites at the same time, and then spent a few months in an incubator. Once I found out about this guy, I've considered myself a circus baby ever since.
    Now that made me laugh.

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    I guess the good doctor did what he did at the time with the tools available to him. Things are different today with the constant threat of malpractice (and doctors actually killing people by accident quite frequently) so doctors are more hamstringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolhand View Post
    PO stuff removed. Please keep PO in PO.
    then remove post 5 too, the one that elicited the po type remarks.

    had i been a trump fan, he wouldn't have gone there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP View Post
    I don't think anybody is saying research should be funded in that way. I think what he means is, maybe more doctors should be willing to explore unconventional ideas when there's no better alternative and the patient (or patient's parents in this situation) is willing to try. And we have progressed beyond his method but maybe it would have taken much longer in that particular area if not for his work. Which would have meant a lot of people burying their premature babies that didn't have to because of what he was doing.
    its a slippery slope. You can thanks the Nazis and the Nuremberg Code.
    there are lots of MDs and lots of companies trying new ideas, treatments, and devices every day. we have a few more rules in place now however to ensure what they're doing doesn't harm patients.

    the story doesn't mention the babies he may have harmed.
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