Greatest Sportsman Of Last 75 Years
Looks like Lance doesn't make the cut. Factoring in his or her impact on the world as well as professional achievements, who stands out in your mind and why?
I thought "Sportsman" stood for hunting and fishing,.
I know ESPN is doing a poll for "Greatest Athlete ever" or something like that. I think they are going to come out with the Greatest Athlete of each particular sport sometime soon.. I think they are doing one genre of sport every month.
Based on their criteria of being the top of their sport, and requiring power, endurance, quickness, agility, and some others, my vote was for someone like Bode Miller, the year he won the overall world cup. Certainly Lindsey Vonn for the women's side. I really think the skiers are better all around athletes if you combine power, quickness, endurance, agility, etc. There are very few sports that require all of those attributes, and certainly not any typical team/spectator sports. Gymnastics is probably also up there.
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Originally Posted by bigrider
Not sure about the last 75 years, but I'd say the greatest athlete at present is Alex Honnold. Big wall free-soloing was only a dream before he showed it was possible. His sport requires strength, technique, endurance, judgement, focus, impeccable mind control and has real consequences.
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"He groaned when we hung the rope over the tree but was relieved to see the white pinata."
Wayne Gretzky. Michael Jordan. At least of the modern era.
Mapie is a conventional looking former Hollywood bon viveur, now leading a quiet life in a house made of wood by an isolated beach. He has cultivated a taste for culture, and is a celebrated raconteur amongst his local associates, who are artists, actors, and other leftfield/eccentric types. I imagine he has a telescope, and an unusual sculpture outside his front door. He is also a beach comber. The Rydster.
When the term "sportsman" is used, I think of great athletes who have a profound affect on society, that crossed over from their sport into the mainstream. Pretty hard to top Ali!
Originally Posted by Eretz
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
By that criteria, my vote goes to Jackie Robinson. He changed America through the transformation of American sports.
Originally Posted by CBus660R
Jim Thorpe may have been the greatest athlete, but it's pretty hard to judge that sort of thing.
Watching Jim Brown run over defenders for five minutes on YouTube makes it hard not to bring his name up.
Emil Zatopek was magnificent at what he did, and had more fun at it than most.
And what about dominant/pioneering female athletes? Navratalova changed her sport--and women's sports in general--as much as anyone.
Pele dominated and changed the world's most popular sport in that sport's most important country: that ought to be worth consideration.
For sheer determination/endurance/commitment, it's just got to be Terry Fox, who ran over 3,000 miles in less than six months. With one leg and a primitive prosthetic. While dying of cancer. I don't think anybody can beat that.
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My first thought was Jackie Robinson. But upon closer examination I think one name stands even taller, Jesse Owens. What he did in the 1936 Olympics was truly impressive. And to put the smack down on Hitler was just perfection.
Sportsman is more of a "global" term. My curiosity in asking is to find whom others would choose when weighing social impact with athletic accomplishments. Lance could once have been at or near the top, but things have changed. Someone mentioned MJ, but away from the game he is somewhat of a womanizing gambler.
Originally Posted by JohnnyTooBad
Ibashii said it best. Once the globalist-intellect kicks in, you might as well include anyone at any key period of our civilisation and remember what was more politically motivating then a sport in itself.
Originally Posted by oily666
edited out: TL/DR
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It's not really a "globalist" concept. It's just a word more frequently used to describe a professional athlete much the same as we say vacation where the Brits say holiday. Please don't get us moved to PO.
As long as we're here, IMO, your choice of Ali with the addition of Ayrton Senna narrow the field dramatically.
I was watching his accident live on TV in France when that happened. Both my daughters next to me. Very sad, sad day for many people world wide.
Originally Posted by oily666
Ali was an athlete of super grand statue in my opinion, who held up Howard Cosell mid conversation outside a boxing ring or locker room asking Cosell to explain a word he hadn't understood. He gained tremendous respect for the boxing industry in my also "opinion."
Before Ali, Cosell was reading his own shaving commercials on a half hour radio show. Today he may only have been a blogger at that point.
In terms of civil rights and the anti-war movement, Ali was huge. The government was hog tied when he refused induction. If they hadn't reclassified him 1A when he converted to Islam they would have been better off. Now their choices were let him off or strip his titles, fine him and sentence him to prison. Ali won the public battle with a string of appeals while making the war a black issue where prior it had not been.
No brainer. Eddie the Eagle!
You could make a case that Wilt and Russell were as good as Jordan, Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Lewis were as good as Ali, Carl Lewis was as good as Owens and so on for every sport but I don't think there's any making a case Gretzky isn't the best ever.
Except maybe with Babe Ruth but he falls outside of the last 75 years.
I watched a documentary about Mohammed Ali one time. He seems great!
Okay, great choices, but what mark did they leave on the world outside of sports.
Personally I don't care what athletes do outside of their sport, I don't know why the public always expects them to be heros. Just because an athlete likes to drink and womanize instead of forming a charity to give away and collect money for wounded baby seals doesn't make them less of a "sportsman" in my book.
Since this is a cycling forum I'll say Greg Lemond ;)
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Originally Posted by nOOky
Michael Jackson said it best, "The most dangerous thing are fans."
Fans are fanatics. When fanatics idolize a person they expect super human and super natural. Fanatics are like fragile crystal, taking nothing to cause them to shatter an illusion. They are exuberant as easily discouraged.
You have to examine the force behind an athlete. You can't compare athletes of the past with athletes of today due to the way the media pumps them up, pushes them out and exposes every follicle of their skin. The now-a-day athlete does not have "fans" - they have voyers tracking their every move and vowel.
Could you image a guy like Joe DiMaggio in this day and age, as great of an athlete he was, hooked up with the likes of Marilyn Monroe and paparazzi giving their blow by blow of their daily lives? Would it not have cheapened the perfect image a hue?
So it's tough to compare one athlete to another in eras that have constantly changed media wise. To compare baseball cards traded in school yards, or the naration of a game on A.M. radio to tabloid journalism and tweets is a tough call. In the end, it's what sells ain't it?
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Hard to say who that best Sportsman in the world is, but Armstrong has to be the best American Sportsman in the last 75 years. He went head to head with the best cheaters in the world, and came out on top. I feel sorry for the 10's of riders who raced "clean", but that's life. The current rash of rewriting history reminds me of Orwell's 1984.
Can anyone imagine Baseball pulling a World Series Championship 10 years after the fact, because a player on the team was found out to have "juiced up".
I don't think so.
If your opinion differs from mine, ..........Too bad.
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Pretty much how I feel. Would the Oakland A's have won without the big bats of the "Bash Brothers"? When the sport is not really doing anything to stop it then they can't hold it against someone who is doing it. MLB and the UCI just need to wear it!
Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY
Do we ever really know what someone is up to at home? I never felt all warm and fuzzy about Ali like some. I now watch sports and enjoy and don't let my emotions go past the field of play.
Try as I might, I just can't think of one athlete I could choose for this most prestigious arbitrary award.
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