Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 41
  1. #1
    Master debator.
    Reputation: nOOky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    8,150

    Saw Dunkirk last night...

    Kind of short, 1:50, and somewhat short of epic also. It was a good movie, you have to pay attention to follow along with the characters at times. I know the history of the Dunkirk evacuation and I think that actually spoiled it somewhat for me. The attempts to build up tension and suspense were just shy of working imho, and I never really felt connected with any of the characters, I surely didn't care what happened to them for the most part. It was kind of weird that it struck me that way.

    Not a lot of blood or gore, if any at all, some pretty decent use of sound to enhance the effects and heighten the drama if you were into it. Visually it is worth seeing on the big screen if not iMax if that's available to you.

    I'm giving it 3.25 out of 5 stars
    "I felt bad because I couldn't wheelie; until I met a man with no bicycle"

  2. #2
    Cycling Addict
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,192
    I also went to see it last night. They did a good job with the equipment but failed to portray the magnitude of the rescue, IMO. They mentioned it, but just did not use enough men, ships, small craft and aircraft to truly portray the size of the battle.

    Another nit I have to pick is in the aerial combat scenes - there was a near total lack of the sound of the engines inside the cockpit of the aircraft. Yes, I am picking nits - but it is a family tradition (you did not want to go to a historical movie with my dad - he would explain how the buttons on that uniform were three inches too low).
    Life is short... enjoy the ride.

  3. #3
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    2,311
    I agree with the above reviews. I was familiar with the history of the Dunkirk evacuation, and I thought more attention would have been given to the mobilization of civilian boats rather than just focusing on one. I like Kenneth Branaugh, but his character was fairly superfluous to the movie as a whole - I guess they needed a big name British actor on the cast. The parallel story lines were a bit disjointed. But it was worth seeing, from a historical standpoint if nothing else.
    Insert something clever here:

    Insert list of every bike I own here:

  4. #4
    hfc
    hfc is offline
    Doesn't like subtitles
    Reputation: hfc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    3,210
    Spoiler: Germans lose in the end.

    One of my old man Groucho complaints is the CGI rendering of aircraft in film. BITD, they would use real aircraft (Tora, Tora, Tora comes to mind) which is of course, realistic. Now they use computer renderings of aircraft and IMO, do a lousy job in that while looking real, fly in the manner in what an 8 year old must imagine. Zipping across the screen at what would be probably about 700 mph rather than the true speed of probably 200-300. Havent seen this film yet but I'm always hoping they do a better job.

  5. #5
    a real member's member
    Reputation: blackfrancois's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Posts
    2,853
    Quote Originally Posted by hfc View Post
    Spoiler: Germans lose.
    but what about the fascism? i assume it fares a little better.
    Yossarian: don't worry. nothing's going to happen to you that won't happen to the rest of us.

  6. #6
    Cycling Addict
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,192
    Quote Originally Posted by hfc View Post
    Spoiler: Germans lose in the end.

    One of my old man Groucho complaints is the CGI rendering of aircraft in film. BITD, they would use real aircraft (Tora, Tora, Tora comes to mind) which is of course, realistic. Now they use computer renderings of aircraft and IMO, do a lousy job in that while looking real, fly in the manner in what an 8 year old must imagine. Zipping across the screen at what would be probably about 700 mph rather than the true speed of probably 200-300. Havent seen this film yet but I'm always hoping they do a better job.
    If they used CGI aircraft in this film they did not use them in the way that Flyboys did. My two favorite war films are Tora, Tora, Tora and The Battle of Britain, both of which used real aircraft. The aircraft in this one seemed real, unlike The Movie That Shall Not Be Named (what a military history forum I frequent calls that Ben Affleck romance). My complaint was how they silenced the sound of the engines when showing the cockpit scenes.
    Life is short... enjoy the ride.

  7. #7
    Eddy 53:11
    Reputation: JetSpeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    3,028
    Damn. These reviews are bad for me. I want to see; no cockpit sounds and computer flying are deal breakers . . . probably like watching BULLITT with computerized cars . . . . ****.
    Live vicariously through yourself.
    There are no physical laws that govern the will.

  8. #8
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    2,311
    Quote Originally Posted by JetSpeed View Post
    Damn. These reviews are bad for me. I want to see; no cockpit sounds and computer flying are deal breakers . . . probably like watching BULLITT with computerized cars . . . . ****.
    Don't think of it as a "special effects action movie". It's a war movie about actual historical events. It was appropriately realistic.
    Insert something clever here:

    Insert list of every bike I own here:

  9. #9
    Cycling Addict
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,192
    Quote Originally Posted by JetSpeed View Post
    Damn. These reviews are bad for me. I want to see; no cockpit sounds and computer flying are deal breakers . . . probably like watching BULLITT with computerized cars . . . . ****.
    Let me reiterate: this was not computer flying. Or if it was it was not noticeably so. The aircraft behaved like real aircraft in the dogfight scenes. I am pretty sure that they were real aircraft but could be wrong. The director just decided to leave out most of the engine noise in the cockpit scenes (obviously those scenes depicting the pilots faces in action were not shot in a real aircraft in combat).
    Life is short... enjoy the ride.

  10. #10
    hfc
    hfc is offline
    Doesn't like subtitles
    Reputation: hfc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    3,210
    Quote Originally Posted by JetSpeed View Post
    Damn. These reviews are bad for me. I want to see; no cockpit sounds and computer flying are deal breakers . . . probably like watching BULLITT with computerized cars . . . . ****.


    Just to be clear, I haven't seen this one; I was just griping about modern movies in general.

  11. #11
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: jason124's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    326
    Fun fact: Christopher Nolan is known for using as much practical effects as possible instead of CGI. The planes used in the movie were real:

    Dunkirk – Filming the Aerial Scenes for the Epic Movie | Warbirds News

    In fact, the one point that I found interesting from a group of pedants on an aviation board was the fact that the planes are Spanish Buchons and not actual ME-109's. The giveaway was the ME-109 has inverted V12's.

    They did use RC models for the dogfight/crashing sequences, may be why they look less than convincing.

  12. #12
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    274
    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    If they used CGI aircraft in this film they did not use them in the way that Flyboys did. My two favorite war films are Tora, Tora, Tora and The Battle of Britain, both of which used real aircraft. The aircraft in this one seemed real, unlike The Movie That Shall Not Be Named (what a military history forum I frequent calls that Ben Affleck romance). My complaint was how they silenced the sound of the engines when showing the cockpit scenes.
    If you mean Pearl Harbor, there were real aircraft. About 3 or 4 came over. But they used the DD963 destroyers in mothballs in Middle Loch as targets, and those don't look anything like WWII ships. They also did some explosions on the bow of one of them, and had to pay the Navy due to f-ing the ship up. (Didn't really matter as they are all sunk as targets now).

    I was riding around during filming and watched the planes make their runs (I live up the hill from Middle Loch).

    scott s.
    .

  13. #13
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,153
    I agree with the 3.5 out of 5 rating. The constant bouncing back and forth was a bit annoying to me.

    I am a hard core aviation enthusiast. There were a few shots of the Spits that were absolutely beautiful. Seeing it in IMAX made them even better. But, the cockpit scenes and dog fighting got really old, quickly. How many rounds did the Spitfire hold? The one pilot did a lot of shooting. A lot. The bouncing back and forth made the last flying scene seem especially long.

    I honestly would recommend waiting until it comes out on video and watch it for $2.
    To those in uniform, both present and past, who have protected my freedoms, I thank you. I've had a good life so far.

    My radio control aircraft addiction is fed by: theprofilebrotherhood.com

  14. #14
    Weed
    Reputation: zyzbot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    994
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug B View Post
    I agree with the 3.5 out of 5 rating. The constant bouncing back and forth was a bit annoying to me.

    I am a hard core aviation enthusiast. There were a few shots of the Spits that were absolutely beautiful. Seeing it in IMAX made them even better. But, the cockpit scenes and dog fighting got really old, quickly. How many rounds did the Spitfire hold? The one pilot did a lot of shooting. A lot. The bouncing back and forth made the last flying scene seem especially long.

    I honestly would recommend waiting until it comes out on video and watch it for $2.
    The Spitfire MK I which was in service at that time was armed with eight .303in Browning machine guns, each with 300 rounds. IIRC each Browning .303 gun fired at a rate of around 20 rounds per second so he would have about 15 seconds of fire in total.

  15. #15
    Cycling Addict
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,192
    Quote Originally Posted by scott967 View Post
    If you mean Pearl Harbor, there were real aircraft. About 3 or 4 came over. But they used the DD963 destroyers in mothballs in Middle Loch as targets, and those don't look anything like WWII ships. They also did some explosions on the bow of one of them, and had to pay the Navy due to f-ing the ship up. (Didn't really matter as they are all sunk as targets now).

    I was riding around during filming and watched the planes make their runs (I live up the hill from Middle Loch).

    scott s.
    .
    You might try re-watching The Movie That Shall Not Be Named... while the aircraft used in some scenes were real check out those dogfighting scenes. To my memory, the P40s were maneuvering in a way that no WW2 fighter could, much less a Kittyhawk/Warhawk.

    I recall the destroyers subbing for battleship row... just another of the huge failings of that movie (historically).
    Life is short... enjoy the ride.

  16. #16
    take on me
    Reputation: SystemShock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    30,657
    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    You might try re-watching The Movie That Shall Not Be Named... while the aircraft used in some scenes were real check out those dogfighting scenes. To my memory, the P40s were maneuvering in a way that no WW2 fighter could, much less a Kittyhawk/Warhawk.

    I recall the destroyers subbing for battleship row... just another of the huge failings of that movie (historically).
    LOL. There was a great review of that movie that summed it up thusly: "It's about how on December 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack an American love triangle."

    Michael Bay should be fired out of a battleship's 16-inch gun for it. Affleck too.
    .
    System: Fake news?? Trump is a Fake President™, for god's sake.

    Monk: I want to go like my Dad did – peacefully, in his sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

    Plat: I'd rather fellate a syphilitic goat than own a Cervelo.

    EJ Dionne: Modern-day conservatism isn't conservatism. It's reaction rooted in deep pessimism that isn't in keeping with the American character.

    Seam: Saw Bjork poop onstage back in the day. It blew my teenage mind.


  17. #17
    hfc
    hfc is offline
    Doesn't like subtitles
    Reputation: hfc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    3,210
    I saw it today. Meh. There are some nice scenes and the aircraft are done nicely though IMO. Trying to focus on the glamorized individual stories robs the potential for showing what a truly epic event that was.

  18. #18
    Banned forever.....or not
    Reputation: MR_GRUMPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Posts
    23,795
    I noticed that too. Maybe the pilot climbed out on the wing to reload three times. The sound people who added the machinegun sound in, messed up. By the time the pilot fired his guns, the bullets would have missed by 10 yards....In the final scene, a pilot would have never lowered his landing gear to land in beach sand. That would have resulted in a flip and a broken neck. The manual pumping of the gear was a good touch, though.
    If your opinion differs from mine, ..........Too bad.
    .
    How would you like it if Hitler killed you
    Dogbert.

    I>U

    Buying parts to hang on your bike is always easier than getting fit.

    If you feel wimpy and weak, get out and train more, ya wee lassie!

    If Jesus had a gun, he'd be alive today!

  19. #19
    hfc
    hfc is offline
    Doesn't like subtitles
    Reputation: hfc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    3,210
    Quote Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    I noticed that too. Maybe the pilot climbed out on the wing to reload three times. The sound people who added the machinegun sound in, messed up. By the time the pilot fired his guns, the bullets would have missed by 10 yards....In the final scene, a pilot would have never lowered his landing gear to land in beach sand. That would have resulted in a flip and a broken neck. The manual pumping of the gear was a good touch, though.
    I thought it somewhat ironic in that scene, with Churchill's "never surrender" speech in the background, that the guy chose to land his plane on the beach, climb out, torch it, then meekly surrender to the German soldiers.

    I originally gave the movie a "meh" but now I've decided to downgrade to "actively dislike" after giving it more thought.

  20. #20
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,153
    Quote Originally Posted by zyzbot View Post
    The Spitfire MK I which was in service at that time was armed with eight .303in Browning machine guns, each with 300 rounds. IIRC each Browning .303 gun fired at a rate of around 20 rounds per second so he would have about 15 seconds of fire in total.
    Yeah. I'm guessing during the course of the one flight that he fired for more than 30 seconds total. I remember thinking about half way thru the movie - jeez, how many rounds does this guy have? But, it could be that I was over-counting his round-count, because of the way the movie jumps back and forth between perspectives so much.
    To those in uniform, both present and past, who have protected my freedoms, I thank you. I've had a good life so far.

    My radio control aircraft addiction is fed by: theprofilebrotherhood.com

  21. #21
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,153
    Quote Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    I noticed that too. Maybe the pilot climbed out on the wing to reload three times. The sound people who added the machinegun sound in, messed up. By the time the pilot fired his guns, the bullets would have missed by 10 yards....In the final scene, a pilot would have never lowered his landing gear to land in beach sand. That would have resulted in a flip and a broken neck. The manual pumping of the gear was a good touch, though.

    I didn't mention the landing in the sand... for fear of a spoiler... but now that you mentioned it. yeah, I thought the exact same thing. No sane pilot is going to try to dead stick into soft sand. Belly it in...sure. But not on the mains.

    The aircraft gunnery scenes also left me thinking....jeez, this pilot sure doesn't understand that he needs to lead the target. Most of the time he was shooting as the plane was pulling thru the gunsight. Unless that gun sight had lead correction built in?...that's a sure miss.
    To those in uniform, both present and past, who have protected my freedoms, I thank you. I've had a good life so far.

    My radio control aircraft addiction is fed by: theprofilebrotherhood.com

  22. #22
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,153
    The "flotilla" at the end seemed to be a bit of the let down as well. There's one quick shot (CGI?) that shows a lot of civilian boats. But in the following scenes, there were six or eight boats, and none on the horizon?

    Six or eight boats ferried 300 thousand guys from the shore to larger craft off shore? In a matter of a few hours? To off-shore craft that we never really saw? With no refueling?

    Did soldiers really line up like that on the beach? Seems like they would be a super-easy target in rows like that?

    It also seems like the Stuka's could have taken out that Mole pier in about ten minutes... turning it to splinters very easily.

    The more I think about it, the "meh" rating really applies to this movie. The story is great really interesting and motivational to think about.

    The execution of the movie to deliver the store was mediocre at best, imo. Maybe I just expected too much.
    To those in uniform, both present and past, who have protected my freedoms, I thank you. I've had a good life so far.

    My radio control aircraft addiction is fed by: theprofilebrotherhood.com

  23. #23
    take on me
    Reputation: SystemShock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    30,657
    Q: Chris Nolan's Achilles Heel is that he usually falls apart in the third act.

    Does he do so this time?

  24. #24
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: Tschai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    1,750
    Having been familiar with the history and listening to the WWII podcast, which covered Dunkirk extraordinarily well, my biggest criticism is that the movie focused too much on singular negative events, such as ships going down, etc. The miracle was portrayed as a bunch of boats showing up in one or two very underwhelming scenes. There was no real sense of the magnitude of the event and how miraculous it was. The movie was like, oh my, look at these boats. We're saved. Not a good global depiction.
    “Man may trust man, Prince Elric, but perhaps we'll never have a truly sane world until men learn to trust mankind. That would mean the death of magic, I think.”

  25. #25
    Cycling Addict
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,192
    "Did soldiers really line up like that on the beach? Seems like they would be a super-easy target in rows like that?"

    Yes, they did. There were a hell of a lot more of them on the beach than the movie portrays - so they were all pretty easy targets anyway - but don't underestimate either the discipline of the British soldier or the patience of the British national...

    DUNKIRK 26-29 MAY 1940 (NYP 68075)

    "It also seems like the Stuka's could have taken out that Mole pier in about ten minutes... turning it to splinters very easily. "


    I am sure that the wooden portion took damage, but being built on a solid concrete breakwater apparently exacerbated the situation. In the end, nearly 2/3's of the approximately 300,000 men evacuated from France were loaded onto ships from the east mole at Dunkirk.
    Life is short... enjoy the ride.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. I saw a cougar on my night ride last night...
    By Hollywood in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 10-27-2008, 11:31 AM
  2. Saw Jeff Beck last night
    By Live Steam in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 09-12-2006, 01:38 PM
  3. Replies: 39
    Last Post: 02-07-2006, 11:34 PM
  4. What my tires saw last night.
    By MB1 in forum Commuting, Touring and Ride Reports
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 09-14-2005, 11:31 AM
  5. 4 Days of Dunkirk Dead?
    By OrangeCat in forum Pro Cycling - Tour de France
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-08-2005, 01:45 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •