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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    It's yet another step in subaru's grand plan of alienating the customer base they've built over the last 10 years.

    Honestly, and I say this as some one who, just a few years ago was ready to buy nothing but subarus for the rest of my life, F**k Subaru.

    Bloating their current cars, adding useless crap like this, adding cvt transmissions to everything, screw it.

    I'm switching to Mazda. Never thought I'd say that.
    It's all fun and games until someone ends up in a cone.

    Don't make me go all honey badger on your ass

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    The charitable among us would describe the Michelin Primacy HPs’ grip as underwhelming. Toyota chief engineer Tetsuya Tada tells us, “They are Prius tires,” and he’s not joking"
    oh... so its a drift car, not a sports car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unit 91 View Post
    It only made sense. Honestly, I've owned a few STi's and I'd rather not have one again unless it was for competition so the WRX with the fat ass works perfect for me.
    Yeah, the WRX with the STi styling works perfectly. For posers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unit 91 View Post
    Think of it more as a hard-top Miata that tons will want.
    Uh huh. We'll see...but I'm not holding my breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black_box View Post
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    oh... so its a drift car, not a sports car.
    Well after all drifting is all the rage with much of the younger generation. I think it is a nice car that looks like fun to drive. RWD cant be beat for lots of fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonlime View Post
    I like the BRZ a lot.

    But I haul a dog and two kids around frequently.

    Call me when Subaru brings back the Legacy wagon. Sigh.
    Don't know if you've seen, but they're making a wagon out of the Impreza and calling it the XV Crosstrek. Good looking car, too:


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    Problem with this is it us just another version of the outback. I liked the legacy GT because it was meant for paved roads with handling to match. This is not meant to be a city driver

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    Quote Originally Posted by erj549 View Post
    Don't know if you've seen, but they're making a wagon out of the Impreza and calling it the XV Crosstrek. Good looking car, too:

    Yeah, I saw that, and agree that it's nice looking. But it's basically an Outback sport. I would prefer a regular wagon, without the additional clearance, since I never use it.

    My old LGT wagon was basically a sports wagon, and I loved it. My options, going that route, are pretty limited these days to an Acura, a Volvo, a BMW or an Audi. Frankly, I'd prefer my old subbie over any of these. Oh, well...c'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    It's yet another step in subaru's grand plan of alienating the customer base they've built over the last 10 years.

    Honestly, and I say this as some one who, just a few years ago was ready to buy nothing but subarus for the rest of my life, F**k Subaru.

    Bloating their current cars, adding useless crap like this, adding cvt transmissions to everything, screw it.

    I'm switching to Mazda. Never thought I'd say that.

    Umm, how is this car alienating its customer base?

    And the BRZ is built in the similar philosophy as Mazda's cars

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    The BRZ/FT86/FR-S is the single most exciting and important sports/sporting car since the Integra Type R or original Miata. Mind you, I say this with an undying hatred for all things Toyota in my heart. What this car is, and does is so important to Toyota/Subaru and the entire segment (sporty cars under 30K), if not the entire car industry that I cannot emphasize how important it is for this car to succeed.

    This car might be the last lightweight, fun-to-drive, mechanically focused, simple enough to work on at home, modern car we ever see--before the sequentials kill off the 3rd pedal, before mechanical LSD's are replaced by electronic diffs, before spin control/traction control kill good ol fashioned ass-out driving, before 3600 lb torque vectoring AWD 300 bhp rally-car types kill off the simple, fun to drive RWD coupe...

    Some people don't get this car and expect it to be a 12 second ET burnout machine--but this is no machete/hatchet, this is a good ol fashioned scalpel and I'm pretty excited to turn a hot lap at a race track in one. Evo's, STI's, Mazdaspeed 3's, Golf R's--will probably be the benchmark by which this car is measured, but they're apples to the brz's orange. All of those cars may have 100-ish more hp and some have AWD and brutal midrange power--but all of them are at least 400 lbs heavier, feature laggy turbo powerbands, and understeer like a FWD/AWD cars are prone to do.

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    I'm so glad someone is excited. I am.

    The car is more Subaru than it is Toyota, by the way. at least the part that counts - engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoPho View Post
    Umm, how is this car alienating its customer base?

    And the BRZ is built in the similar philosophy as Mazda's cars
    All of us who bought subarus because they were fun to drive and insanely practical.

    All of us who liked the fact that subies were smaller than the other all wheel drive options.

    Al of us who liked the fact that subies were small and agile and still held a crap load of stuff.

    And then there's the XV crosstrek. All it is is an impreza with about 100 pounds of extra plastic and a ridiculous amount of useless ground clearance.

    screw them.
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    Your Logical-to-Dumbass ratio is way out of kilter, buddy

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    Toyota GT 86 = Scion FR-S = Subaru BRZ
    It's all fun and games until someone ends up in a cone.

    Don't make me go all honey badger on your ass

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    I kind of like this car.Fast Facts'71 Datsun 240Z

    Owner Mark Rolston

    Hometown Austin, Texas, Y'all

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    Power 612hp at 8500rpm

    Under The Hood Nissan RB26DETT; Tomei PONCAM cams (10.2mm lift, 260-degrees intake, 270-degrees) exhaust with adjustable cam gears, Performance Upgrade valve springs; CP pistons; Total Seal rings; ported head; modified intake manifold runners; Garrett 2871R turbocharger (x2); custom intercooler and piping; Precision 1,000cc injectors; Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump and regulator; custom dual-feed fuel rail; 034 EFI high current ignition with ignitors; MSD Super Conductor wires; NGK plugs; custom spark plug cover; custom dual 3-inch to 4-inch air intake; custom downpipes and exhaust piping; custom five-quart oil pan; HKS oil pump; external oil cooler; Accusump external oil reserve system; Northern dual-pass radiator; Tomei Expreme header; custom chrome header heat shield; Magnaflow muffler (x2)

    Drivetrain '95 Nissan Z32 transmission mated to RB26 housing; HKS Twin Plate clutch; NISMO R200 LSD; modified Nissan Z31 Turbo axles and CV; custom driveshaft

    Brains Autronic SM4 computerized fuel injection and boost controller

    Stiff Stuff Tokico adjustable shocks; Eibach springs (385-lb front, 345-lb rear); Suspension Techniques rear antiroll bar; custom ArizonaZ billet front suspension arms, rear differential mount, mustache bar

    Rollers Street: 18x11 Boze Mesh; 285/35R18 Hoosier Sports Car DOT Radial Wet; Track: 18x11 CCW Classic; 285/35R18 Hoosier Sports Car DOT Radial

    Stoppers Wilwood custom six-piston 13.3-inch front, four-piston 12.5-inch rear; cockpit-controlled adjustable brake bias control; steel braided lines

    Outside Porsche 911 Turbo Atlas Grey metallic paint; custom fiberglass fender flares, dry-carbon fiber hood, MSA front and BRE-style rear spoilers by Al's Bodyworks

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonlime View Post
    As a '10 STi owner, it pissed me right **** off when they gave the normal old WRX the STi styling. Jerks.
    W3rd!
    What the hell is the incentive to buy the STi after that?
    They keep improving the Rex, but not much lately on the STi. Grrr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoPho View Post
    What local championship? I was involved with rally for over 8 years
    Wait- is this Mopho from Nasioc????
    If so-
    What are you doing in the road bike world? (and greetings!)
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    Oh, no... Nasioc people. :looksaroundnervously:

    Please don't let them figure out who I am... please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    All of us who bought subarus because they were fun to drive and insanely practical.

    All of us who liked the fact that subies were smaller than the other all wheel drive options.

    Al of us who liked the fact that subies were small and agile and still held a crap load of stuff.

    And then there's the XV crosstrek. All it is is an impreza with about 100 pounds of extra plastic and a ridiculous amount of useless ground clearance.

    screw them.

    You apparently do not understand that the BRZ is more in line with the philosophy of performance cars Subaru made in the 90's, this car is smaller, lighter, more agile and there is a whole secondary customer base who were into those Suabrus not for their ability to hold a crap load of stuff but for their performance. They are not alienating these people, they are giving us what we have been waiting for. And besides RWD is more fun than AWD

    And seeing how their new bigger cars are apparently selling better than ever, I'd say Subaru can say screw you

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix View Post
    Wait- is this Mopho from Nasioc????
    If so-
    What are you doing in the road bike world? (and greetings!)

    Yes, though I haven't really spend much time on NASIOC since I got out of Rally, only peek in once in a while.

    I've been road cycling for about 20 years.

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    I think the BRZ has great potential. It looks to be a real sports car and I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoPho View Post
    You apparently do not understand that the BRZ is more in line with the philosophy of performance cars Subaru made in the 90's, this car is smaller, lighter, more agile and there is a whole secondary customer base who were into those Suabrus not for their ability to hold a crap load of stuff but for their performance. They are not alienating these people, they are giving us what we have been waiting for. And besides RWD is more fun than AWD

    And seeing how their new bigger cars are apparently selling better than ever, I'd say Subaru can say screw you
    And they have.

    The thing is, you have to remember back in the 90s when Subaru was floundering- 2wd econoboxes that rusted out in no time, unreliable crap...

    And then they focused.

    They focused on one market, on one strategy and it worked. And now that they're doing well again, they're saying f-u to all of us who took a chance on them.

    The WRX was never their focus. And even as a performance car, it was always ridiculously practical. It's about the only car I can think of that can race and haul a canoe. Probably at the same time.
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    Your Logical-to-Dumbass ratio is way out of kilter, buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    The WRX was never their focus. And even as a performance car, it was always ridiculously practical. It's about the only car I can think of that can race and haul a canoe. Probably at the same time.
    Not the same as-new pricepoint, but a 97-98 bmw M3 sedan would work. Factory roof-rack mounts, rear seat + 4 doors, and a nice trunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    And they have.

    The thing is, you have to remember back in the 90s when Subaru was floundering- 2wd econoboxes that rusted out in no time, unreliable crap...

    And then they focused.

    They focused on one market, on one strategy and it worked. And now that they're doing well again, they're saying f-u to all of us who took a chance on them.

    The WRX was never their focus. And even as a performance car, it was always ridiculously practical. It's about the only car I can think of that can race and haul a canoe. Probably at the same time.

    Sorry, you may not like their current lineup but that is a bunch of nonsense

    And the pinnacle of WRX's was a two door coupe just like this BRZ





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    Quote Originally Posted by MoPho View Post
    Sorry, you may not like their current lineup but that is a bunch of nonsense

    And the pinnacle of WRX's was a two door coupe just like this BRZ





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    Yummy 22B. I've been fortunate enough to have been in one. Wasn't allowed to drive, but still was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotophage View Post
    I'm switching to Mazda. Never thought I'd say that.
    Love my Mazdaspeed3. It's a roof-rack away from perfection but thankfully comes with pre-drilled rails.

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