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    Another proof of Russian penetration of America

    "Smoking gun"—you mean like an email from Trump to Putin "I am your puppet"? (Neither uses email to avoid leaving a paper trail.)

    Not the way intel works. Intel is a body of information that becomes evidence of activity against American interests.

    We already have that.

    Another piece falls into place: Trump's embarrassing pick for a national security post goes to work for a Russian oligarch.

    "Victor Pinchuk, a Ukrainian businessman who has advocated for making compromises with Russia to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.

    "The documents filed with the Justice Department say Crowley will be providing "outreach services" on behalf of Pinchuk, including "inviting government officials and other policy makers to attend conferences and meetings."

    Anyone care to claim this is American business as usual?

    These people in the White House are absolutely dirty. The only question is how far they are willing to go, if there are any limits.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-wh...221807772.html
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    So you're saying America got schlonged bigly?
    More Americans wanted Hillary Clinton to be President than wanted Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    So you're saying America got schlonged bigly?

    Can't be. Snakebit told me we beat the Russians way back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit View Post
    "Smoking gun"—you mean like an email from Trump to Putin "I am your puppet"? (Neither uses email to avoid leaving a paper trail.)

    Not the way intel works. Intel is a body of information that becomes evidence of activity against American interests.

    We already have that.

    Another piece falls into place: Trump's embarrassing pick for a national security post goes to work for a Russian oligarch.

    "Victor Pinchuk, a Ukrainian businessman who has advocated for making compromises with Russia to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.

    "The documents filed with the Justice Department say Crowley will be providing "outreach services" on behalf of Pinchuk, including "inviting government officials and other policy makers to attend conferences and meetings."

    Anyone care to claim this is American business as usual?

    These people in the White House are absolutely dirty. The only question is how far they are willing to go, if there are any limits.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-wh...221807772.html
    I always enjoyed this oldie.

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    This one had Trump raging on Twitter again during the wee hours of the morning.

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    Crowley's probably been penetrated by a few Russians herself.
    Eff the King's Guard. Eff the city. Eff the King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    This one had Trump raging on Twitter again during the wee hours of the morning.

    That's some good work.

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    It's up to y'all"

    Disturbing. And where we truly are, in an even stranger evil world now.
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    You do know the Russians talked to Clinton peeps as well? But of course she lost and even if she had won it would be silence.


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    Russia centipede he says...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    Russia centipede he says...

    Russia Russia Russia.

    "Russian centipede" said by a senior Republican senator.

    Nice summation. You got to talk fast to fit all the treason in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
    You do know the Russians talked to Clinton peeps as well? But of course she lost and even if she had won it would be silence.
    Yes, you are absolutely right. If HRC had won with the same level of evidence of Russian interference as 45 has now, the Republican majority Congress would be completely silent about it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimV View Post
    Yes, you are absolutely right. If HRC had won with the same level of evidence of Russian interference as 45 has now, the Republican majority Congress would be completely silent about it right now.
    What's the evidence? That they talked ? Wow . Podestal (sp?) was not even hacked.. he fell pry to phishing .

    You forget congress is full of ppl that don't like trump .. yes that includes GOP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
    What's the evidence? That they talked ? Wow . Podestal (sp?) was not even hacked.. he fell pry to phishing .

    You forget congress is full of ppl that don't like trump .. yes that includes GOP.


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    Yet if HRC had won we know they would of been all up in arms of the dead horse of Email servers or Bigazzi. You and I both know that. The fact that it just died and nothing has happen since then speaks volumes.

    If this was the only thing with Trump and Russia it would be one thing. But it is part of a VERY VERY long list now. It starting to add up and add up very fast.

    The fact that the GOP has blocked pretty much everything looking into this also says something as well. It is very clear something does not smell right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timeless View Post
    Yet if HRC had won we know they would of been all up in arms of the dead horse of Email servers or Bigazzi. You and I both know that. The fact that it just died and nothing has happen since then speaks volumes.

    If this was the only thing with Trump and Russia it would be one thing. But it is part of a VERY VERY long list now. It starting to add up and add up very fast.

    The fact that the GOP has blocked pretty much everything looking into this also says something as well. It is very clear something does not smell right.
    let me see this long long list...even details on just Russia. Wheres the evidence of collusion ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
    let me see this long long list...even details on just Russia. Wheres the evidence of collusion ?
    Nobody has anything on Da Trumpster. He skates. Nothing to see in his 2005 tax return. He paid up in full.

    This is all about abiding hatred for Trump, and war fever with the evil Rooskies! Ironic that Trump wants to make peace with the presumed adversary, and it's the liberal left that wants to go to war over an insult. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Nobody has anything on Da Trumpster. He skates. Nothing to see in his 2005 tax return. He paid up in full.

    This is all about abiding hatred for Trump, and war fever with the evil Rooskies! Ironic that Trump wants to make peace with the presumed adversary, and it's the liberal left that wants to go to war over an insult. Sad.
    indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Nobody has anything on Da Trumpster. He skates. Nothing to see in his 2005 tax return. He paid up in full.

    This is all about abiding hatred for Trump, and war fever with the evil Rooskies! Ironic that Trump wants to make peace with the presumed adversary, and it's the liberal left that wants to go to war over an insult. Sad.
    Had dinner with Russian couple last Saturday night. From their knowledge and experience, Putin's (KGB) finger prints are all over Trump and the election. Russia's manipulating politics everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oily666 View Post
    Had dinner with Russian couple last Saturday night. From their knowledge and experience, Putin's (KGB) finger prints are all over Trump and the election. Russia's manipulating politics everywhere.
    Well geez that settles it ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
    Well geez that settles it ..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOF9BRl8Uc
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    Only the mob and the elite can be attracted by the momentum of totalitarianism itself. The masses have to be won by propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oily666 View Post
    Had dinner with Russian couple last Saturday night. From their knowledge and experience, Putin's (KGB) finger prints are all over Trump and the election. Russia's manipulating politics everywhere.
    Where do you draw the line between "manipulation" and "free speech?" The Russkies did not "manipulate" our election. They merely whispered from the sidelines, as Hillary did during the last Russian elections, accusing Putin of stuffing ballot boxes. This originally was "retribution." They never believed Trump would actually become president.

    Sorry, I don't see any criminal actions here. The Russkies did not hurt our election or get Trump elected. We did it all by ourselves, cowboys. Own up to it. Stop scapegoating the Russkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Where do you draw the line between "manipulation" and "free speech?" The Russkies did not "manipulate" our election. They merely whispered from the sidelines, as Hillary did during the last Russian elections, accusing Putin of stuffing ballot boxes. This originally was "retribution." They never believed Trump would actually become president.

    Sorry, I don't see any criminal actions here. The Russkies did not hurt our election or get Trump elected. We did it all by ourselves, cowboys. Own up to it. Stop scapegoating the Russkies.
    it is very different to have whisperings in RUssia, where there exists no freedom nor free press.

    The FSB has deployed tens of thousands of internet trolls, in fact. They've been very shrewd at knowing how to manipulate US media's soft spots. Strange how powerful these peanut gallery comments boards have become (mainly comments boards of newspaper websites), and the US government isn't using them yet. I follow the two centre right newspapers in Canada, and the FSB trolls operate like clockwork on there - carefully tipping the discussions in Putin's favour and never responding when challenged.

    Maybe not even illegal for the Russians to have done so, and would not require collusion. But the FSB influencing the electorate in this way is very plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Where do you draw the line between "manipulation" and "free speech?" The Russkies did not "manipulate" our election. They merely whispered from the sidelines, as Hillary did during the last Russian elections, accusing Putin of stuffing ballot boxes. This originally was "retribution." They never believed Trump would actually become president.

    Sorry, I don't see any criminal actions here. The Russkies did not hurt our election or get Trump elected. We did it all by ourselves, cowboys. Own up to it. Stop scapegoating the Russkies.
    You should realize that the right of free speech, like the other rights in the Constitution, cover only Americans, and not Russian hackers.

    Your assessment of the situation and recommended course of action based on what you don't see is noted.
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    "President Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Flynn, was paid tens of thousands of dollars by Russian companies shortly before he became a formal adviser to the then-candidate, according to documents obtained by a congressional oversight committee that revealed business interests that hadn’t been previously known.

    Mr. Flynn was paid $11,250 each by a Russian air cargo company that had been suspended as a vendor to the United Nations following a corruption scandal, and by a Russian cybersecurity company that was then trying to expand its business with the U.S. government, according to the documents, which were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

    The speaking engagements took place in the summer and fall of 2015, a year after Mr. Flynn had been fired as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and while he continued to maintain a top-secret level security clearance.

    In December 2015, the Kremlin-backed news organization RT also paid Mr. Flynn $33,750 to speak about U.S. foreign policy and intelligence matters at a conference in Moscow.

    In February 2016, Mr. Flynn became an official adviser to the presidential campaign of Donald Trump, who at the time was taking a softer stance toward Moscow than his Republican rivals.
    ...
    On Monday, FBI Director James Comey and other current and former U.S. officials are scheduled to testify about possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election before a congressional committee that is also probing Trump associates’ ties to Russia.

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions has recused himself from any investigation related to the 2016 presidential campaign after he failed to disclose the extent of his own contacts with the Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergei Kislyak.

    Last week, Mr. Flynn filed papers with the Justice Department disclosing that his firm was paid $530,000 to work in the U.S. on behalf of the interests of the Turkish government. Mr. Flynn had performed those services while he was advising Mr. Trump, then a presidential candidate.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-fl...nts-1489683618

    See also: Mike Flynn One of Many With Russian Ties Surrounding President Donald Trump - WSJ.com
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    Our so-called president KNEW that Flynn was registering as an agent of a foreign government for money and STILL appointed him as National Security Advisor.

    He kept Flynn on for THREE WEEKS after he lied to Pence (supposedly), and only acted after it all came out.

    The tale of Russian penetration at the highest levels of our government is only just unfolding.

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    Kremlin Paid Michael Flynn $45K for Speech - The Daily Beast

    Despite claiming last year that “I didn’t take any money from Russia” for a speaking engagement in Moscow, documents obtained Thursday by Yahoo News show former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn was paid $45,386 by Kremlin-owned television outlet RT. “At the Russian government’s expense, Flynn... was accompanied by his son, Michael Flynn Jr., on the three-day, all-expenses-paid trip, where they both stayed at the five-star Hotel Metropol in Moscow next to Red Square,” Yahoo reported based on the documents from Flynn’s speaking agency, Leading Authorities. Democrats have long charged that Flynn—who was fired last month for misleading the White House on his contacts with Russian officials—appeared to violate Pentagon rules against retired military personnel accepting any “consulting fees, gifts, travel expenses, honoraria or salary” from a foreign government.
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