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    Deadly Force: Night time theft prevention

    Texan acquitted of murdering a prostitute who took his $150 and wouldn't have sex with him.

    The Texas law that allows people to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft was put in place for “law-abiding” citizens, prosecutors Matt Lovell and Jessica Schulze countered. It's not intended for someone trying to force another person into an illegal act such as prostitution, they argued.
    Jury acquits escort shooter - San Antonio Express-News

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    I wouldn't have sex with him, either.

    It seems like a poorly written law, that can lead to vigilante justice out if proportion to crimes. Robbing someone at night now becomes a potential death sentence, with an untrained civilian as judge, jury and executioner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
    I wouldn't have sex with him, either.

    It seems like a poorly written law, that can lead to vigilante justice out if proportion to crimes. Robbing someone at night now becomes a potential death sentence, with an untrained civilian as judge, jury and executioner.
    Let's call it "Son of Stand your ground."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
    I wouldn't have sex with him, either.

    It seems like a poorly written law, that can lead to vigilante justice out if proportion to crimes. Robbing someone at night now becomes a potential death sentence, with an untrained civilian as judge, jury and executioner.
    Better not take his money then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
    I wouldn't have sex with him, either.

    It seems like a poorly written law, that can lead to vigilante justice out if proportion to crimes. Robbing someone at night now becomes a potential death sentence, with an untrained civilian as judge, jury and executioner.
    Who was robbed? Last time I checked, soliciting for sex in exchange for money and forced sex were still illegal in most US states. Furthermore, regardless of whether it's legal or illegal, professional escorts charge their clients only for their time as companions of a nonsexual nature and what may or may not happen beyond that is only permitted at the discretion and consent of the escort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    Who was robbed? Last time checked, soliciting for sex in exchange for money and forced sex were still illegal in most US states. Furthermore, regardless of whether it's legal or illegal, professional escorts charge their clients only for their time as companions of a nonsexual nature and what may or may not happen beyond that is only permitted at the discretion and consent of the escort.
    It would seem that at least one Texas court disagrees with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    Better not take his money then.
    More like don't accept money from him for companionship because he's a killer, sex criminal and a thief with a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    It would seem that at least one Texas court disagrees with you.
    So we've read.

    Are soliciting for sex in exchange for money, wage theft, armed robbery, armed sexual assault and murder legal for everyone in Texas now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    Better not take his money then.
    Speaking more broadly, under this law, someone can kill someone else and then come up with a bogus story "he grabbed my cellphone and I was just getting it back."

    Not to mention domestic disputes. "My estranged husband / boyfriend / wife / gf came over and stole my clothes, I was just getting them back." (In truth, it's a cold blooded murder, but the commingling of possessions that is common as a break up happens creates 'reasonable doubt.'

    Good laws don't create a bunch of loopholes that can cover criminal activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
    Speaking more broadly, under this law, someone can kill someone else and then come up with a bogus story "he grabbed my cellphone and I was just getting it back."

    Not to mention domestic disputes. "My estranged husband / boyfriend / wife / gf came over and stole my clothes, I was just getting them back." (In truth, it's a cold blooded murder, but the commingling of possessions that is common as a break up happens creates 'reasonable doubt.'

    Good laws don't create a bunch of loopholes that can cover criminal activity.
    It's the cowboy way son, better stay out of Texas if you don't like the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    It's the cowboy way son, better stay out of Texas if you don't like the rules.
    In other words, the rules are might makes right. What a bunch of grotesque nonsense.

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    The defendant was wrong for trying to buy sex which is illegal under Texas law. The prostitute was wrong for soliciting sex and also for not returning the money. Then the defendant was wrong for shooting her over $150. The question is whose wrongdoing takes precedence. That isn't entirely clear.

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    Murder seems a bit harsh for $150 theft. Maybe a swift kick in the bum then stomp away cussing, not taking someone's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SauronHimself View Post
    The defendant was wrong for trying to buy sex which is illegal under Texas law. The prostitute was wrong for soliciting sex and also for not returning the money. Then the defendant was wrong for shooting her over $150. The question is whose wrongdoing takes precedence. That isn't entirely clear.
    All that has done been settled in a court of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SauronHimself View Post
    The defendant was wrong for trying to buy sex which is illegal under Texas law. The prostitute was wrong for soliciting sex and also for not returning the money. Then the defendant was wrong for shooting her over $150. The question is whose wrongdoing takes precedence. That isn't entirely clear.
    1. Johns solicit women (or men or girls or boys) for sex, not the other way around.

    2. The deceased woman was working as a professional escort. She was under no obligation to consent to having sex with the man just because he willingly paid her for her time.

    3. The man did not just try to solicit sex for money and he didn't just shoot her; he either attempted an armed sexual assault or committed an armed robbery and took her life, all of which is illegal under Texas law.

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    Judging by some of the comments I've seen here so far, I'm sensing an underlying position that it's OK to commit sexual assault (with or without a deadly weapon) or rape under certain circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    Judging by some of the comments I've seen here so far, I'm sensing an underlying position that it's OK to commit sexual assault (with or without a deadly weapon) or rape under certain circumstances.
    No, she was a prostitute and it was a business deal and not attempted rape. She ran with the money and he shot her. The judge said it was justifiable under the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    All that has done been settled in a court of law.
    You mean the court ruled it's OK to commit attempted sexual assault with a deadly weapon and take a life of the person who does not put out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    It would seem that at least one Texas court disagrees with you.
    Yea well....as Ricky Perry proved...Tejas don't have the sharpest knives in the box either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Yea well....as Ricky Perry proved...Tejas don't have the sharpest knives in the box either.
    California is so much smarter and safer on accounta they got laws.

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    Contract Law, Texas Style

    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    No, she was a prostitute and it was a business deal and not attempted rape. She ran with the money and he shot her. The judge said it was justifiable under the law.

    How do you know what the terms of their business deal were? Did she take his money by force?

    Does this mean in Texas if someone believes the other party in mutual business contract has failed to fully honor the contract or follow the terms within he or she can simply pursue and shoot dead the other party to the contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    Judging by some of the comments I've seen here so far, I'm sensing an underlying position that it's OK to commit sexual assault (with or without a deadly weapon) or rape under certain circumstances.
    I didn't see where he sexually assaulted or tried to rape her. Did you read a different article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    How do you know what the terms of their business deal were? Did she take his money by force?

    Does this mean in Texas if someone believes the other party in mutual business contract has failed to fully honor the contract or follow the terms within he or she can simply pursue and shoot dead the other party to the contract?
    No, it means that if you take my money and run for it I can shoot you. Simple really, you're being very creative here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorX91 View Post
    Does this mean in Texas if someone believes the other party in mutual business contract has failed to fully honor the contract or follow the terms within he or she can simply pursue and shoot dead the other party to the contract?
    on the bright side, jiffy lube will be more careful making sure it's a full quart they put in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    California is so much smarter and safer on accounta they got laws.
    I'm sorry, were the events in this thread about a man who murdered a prostitute and got off thanks to an idiotically written law being reviewed by a questionably intelligent jury....located in Tejas or California?
    Man. You are all stuped.
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