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    Did election spur any family infighting?

    Just wondering how the rest of you handle situtations where you and part of your family voted for different candidates. Do you ignore it, not speak of it, voice you opinion, start throwing things? My father is a staunch Bush supporter. He thinks Michael Moore is a fat america hating traitor and Ann Coulter just speaks her mind. I have told him that I could not see any reason to vote for Bush given his profound screw ups, that he should look past Rush for his world view, that Moore raises some good points in that book he did not read and that film he did not see and that Coulter is a nut job. Today it came down to a disagreement as to whether the Chicago Tribune is a liberal or conservative paper. In order to prove my point that it is conservative I spent $5.00 on a download of two past editorials where the editorial board proclaims their conservative values. Did I go too far? Should I just let him live in his own world free from dissent?
    Just because you won't listen to reason does not mean I have to listen to idiocy.

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    Two of my absolutely favorite cousins probably voted for W. I didn't bring it up with them. I get to see them rarely, and prefer to have fun with them when we visit. Besides, they live in California so their votes for W didn't matter. If they lived in Ohio or New Mexico, we might have had to talk.

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    We agreed to disagree

    In August, my wife (pro Kerry) and my mother (pro Bush) had a shouting match at a family dinner unlike any they have had in the 17 years that my wife and I have been married. After that, we decided to stop talking about politics at family events. My inlaws (also pro Bush) were more passive aggressive -- they would send copies of Wall Street Journal editorials and columns to us with hand written notes on a weekly basis.
    I try to be perfectly civil, until someone really pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtleherder
    Just wondering how the rest of you handle situtations where you and part of your family voted for different candidates. Do you ignore it, not speak of it, voice you opinion, start throwing things? My father is a staunch Bush supporter. He thinks Michael Moore is a fat america hating traitor and Ann Coulter just speaks her mind. I have told him that I could not see any reason to vote for Bush given his profound screw ups, that he should look past Rush for his world view, that Moore raises some good points in that book he did not read and that film he did not see and that Coulter is a nut job. Today it came down to a disagreement as to whether the Chicago Tribune is a liberal or conservative paper. In order to prove my point that it is conservative I spent $5.00 on a download of two past editorials where the editorial board proclaims their conservative values. Did I go too far? Should I just let him live in his own world free from dissent?
    The only Repubs in my faily live in WY and that's a lost cause for the Dems anyway so no worries.
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    Similar dynamic in my family

    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    The only Repubs in my faily live in WY and that's a lost cause for the Dems anyway so no worries.
    Given that my mother and my inlaws live near us in Maryland, their Republican leanings were irrelevant. So my wife and I had no good reason to try to change their views. My sister lives in Connecticut, another state in which we Dems had no reason to worry and thus no reason to try to change her views. The only family members who lived in contested states, my sister-in-law in Wisconsin, and my brother-in-law in Virginia, all were Kerry voters. So we didn't have to use any family good will capital to persuade them to vote the Democratic way.
    I try to be perfectly civil, until someone really pisses me off.

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    Your father sounds like a good man Isn't he always right?
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    Blew off an (ex-)favorite aunt's 80th birthday

    That's tough, and I think tougher this year than it's been in the past. My long-time favorite aunt, who is in addition the person who took care of my father in his terminal illness when I couldn't be there, is a rabid, racist Nazi of a Bush supporter. Last year, during the California goober recall and Arnold annointment, she told me without any embarrassment that "the only thing wrong with California is that Bill Clinton and the liberals want to educate the (N-word)s and (children of Hispanic descent)."
    We've argued, in a mostly friendly way, since Nixon. For some reason, though, she's turned nasty, aggressive and vituperative over Bush. I've been willing to let the whole thing slide and just not talk about it, but she started challenging me in person, then in e-mails, making all kinds of Live Steam-like accusations and claims about everybody to the left of Pat Robertson. Her kids (in their 40s, mostly) are just about as bad as she is, just mindlessly reactioary.
    It got so bad that, rather than put up with the BS last month, I blew off her 80th birthday party, which was a massive family reunion, too. My whole family has been close-knit since I was a kid in the '50s, but this has really changed the dynamic. I was willing to see them and talk about football or something, but I can't sit silent, especially in front of my own children, when the topic of every discussion is the essential evil of Blacks, Hispanics and everybody who doesn't want to slap them in jail until we can ship them back where they came from.
    I don't think this is going to blow over, either. Their ignorance and certainty have changed the way I think about them to the point that I'd really rather not be around them.

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    My Lard-ass fat head brother is a Bush man. If fact, he reminds me of Bush, except that he has an even lower IQ than Bush has. We get along Reeeeeaaaal gooooood.
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    Are you kidding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live Steam
    Your father sounds like a good man Isn't he always right?

    He's a lawyer, of course he is always right! He is a good man but he has spent too much time watching Fox news and being brain washed by the subliminal messages.
    Just because you won't listen to reason does not mean I have to listen to idiocy.

    I'm outdoorsy in that I like getting drunk on patios.

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    Have I told you about my twin brother?

    I have a twin brother who does not watch the news or read a newspaper, he gets all his information from Rush. Yea, we have some very animated discussions.
    Just because you won't listen to reason does not mean I have to listen to idiocy.

    I'm outdoorsy in that I like getting drunk on patios.

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    So which of you is the 'evil twin brother'? Let me guess - since Dad and bro both listen to Rush and know how to vote, it must be you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live Steam
    So which of you is the 'evil twin brother'? Let me guess - since Dad and bro both listen to Rush and know how to vote, it must be you
    Steam...can't you at least admit that Limbaugh is the right's answer to Al Franken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    Steam...can't you at least admit that Limbaugh is the right's answer to Al Franken?
    It's the other way 'round. Except Franken fact checks.
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    Not the evil twin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Live Steam
    So which of you is the 'evil twin brother'? Let me guess - since Dad and bro both listen to Rush and know how to vote, it must be you

    But I am the black sheep of the family. My parents, twin brother and his wife, other brother ( a banker) and his wife are all right wingers. I took after my grandfather, a true liberal and personal friend of Adlai Stevenson.
    Just because you won't listen to reason does not mean I have to listen to idiocy.

    I'm outdoorsy in that I like getting drunk on patios.

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    My big family fight happened just before the invasion of Iraq actually. My wife and I got into an argument with a brother-in-law. He's a good guy, generous, but not college-educated, and he often doesn't have a lot of facts to back up his POV. And, worst of all, when he drinks too much and it gets late, which for him is after 10pm, his Mr. Hyde/Tony Soprano side comes out. I knew I shouldn't even raise the issue with him but, loosened by free-flowing wine, my tongue began to wag. His argument for the invasion was that it was akin to the good fight of WWII, that Saddam perped 9/11. When my wife and I said otherwise he suggested we leave the country. Finally he told us to leave his apt. The next day he left a message of apology on our machine, but our relationship has never been quite the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velocity
    My big family fight happened just before the invasion of Iraq actually. My wife and I got into an argument with a brother-in-law. He's a good guy, generous, but not college-educated, and he often doesn't have a lot of facts to back up his POV. And, worst of all, when he drinks too much and it gets late, which for him is after 10pm, his Mr. Hyde/Tony Soprano side comes out. I knew I shouldn't even raise the issue with him but, loosened by free-flowing wine, my tongue began to wag. His argument for the invasion was that it was akin to the good fight of WWII, that Saddam perped 9/11. When my wife and I said otherwise he suggested we leave the country. Finally he told us to leave his apt. The next day he left a message of apology on our machine, but our relationship has never been quite the same.
    And the sad thing is that both parties used this polarization to try and win the elections. For shame.
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