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    Frontline of the Culture War

    We moved to Maine a couple of months ago just in time for a campaign to use a referendum to overturn the gay-marriage law the legislature passed.

    So placards are up everywhere either Vote Yes/No on 1.

    I don't usually listen to the radio besides music but had to on a bus commute into work this morning and heard my first radio spot on the issue.

    So this was the pro-referendum/overturn gay marriage law side. Interesting in that it wasn't anything about defending marriage or that homosexuality is wrong, etc.

    The tack was if the gay marriage law is allowed to stand, your children will be taught that gay marriage is legal in school. Actually used a Mass. example where a 2nd grader ("come on, a 2nd grader" said with disgust and outrage!) was told two men could get married AND his parents were not allowed to take him out of the public school!

    So you see, it's always about the kids, and those liberals are going to force your kids to be aware of alternative lifestyles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwaynebarry

    So you see, it's always about the kids, and those liberals are going to force your kids to be aware of alternative lifestyles!
    School is not the place for that.

    HS graduates seem to be nothing more than barely functional morons these days. Could it be because schools waste time "forcing kids to be aware" of things like alternative lifestyles when they should be teaching them how to read and spell?
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    Two words, private school. My kids attended and currently attend two excellent private schools. My son graduated from the Marine Military Academy in Harlingen, TX and my daughter attends a very well known prep school in downtown Orlando.

    These are not buildings used for social engineering, they actually educate the children.

    Living downtown I have a lot of interaction with gays. They crack me up, on one hand they claim to just want to be treated like everyone else, then we have gay days, gay pride parades, they ask for extra rights etc...that's where they loose me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69
    School is not the place for that.

    HS graduates seem to be nothing more than barely functional morons these days. Could it be because schools waste time "forcing kids to be aware" of things like alternative lifestyles when they should be teaching them how to read and spell?
    I agree 2nd grade is not the place for that. Although would certainly be appropriate in a middle school or high school social studies course.

    That being said, assuming the anecdote is even true, do you really think it's part of the 2nd grade curriculum in Mass.? I would be shocked if it was, and why in the world wouldn't the parents be able to take their kid out of the school?

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    did anybody else get that at the top of this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comer
    Living downtown I have a lot of interaction with gays. They crack me up, on one hand they claim to just want to be treated like everyone else, then we have gay days, gay pride parades, they ask for extra rights etc...that's where they loose me.
    So therefore, they shouldn't have the same rights?

    I'm opposed to affirmative action ("extra rights", if you will) and agree "pride" parades are stupid, etc. but I don't think any minority person should be treated as anything less than a full citizen under the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comer
    living downtown I have a lot of interaction with gays. They crack me up, on one hand they claim to just want to be treated like everyone else, then we have gay days, gay pride parades, they ask for extra rights etc...that's where they loose me.
    I thought you lived in some million dollar house? Or is it above a gay dance club? Whatever, in before the lock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comer
    Living downtown I have a lot of interaction with gays. They crack me up, on one hand they claim to just want to be treated like everyone else, then we have gay days, gay pride parades, they ask for extra rights etc...that's where they loose me.
    Hmm....want to be treated like everyone else and have parades to raise awareness. I guess these folks would've lost you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclo-phile
    Hmm....want to be treated like everyone else and have parades to raise awareness. I guess these folks would've lost you too.


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    I want to know why a 5 yr old needs to be taught about masturbating and abortion.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uidelines.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comer
    Two words, private school. My kids attended and currently attend two excellent private schools. My son graduated from the Marine Military Academy in Harlingen, TX and my daughter attends a very well known prep school in downtown Orlando.

    These are not buildings used for social engineering, they actually educate the children.

    Living downtown I have a lot of interaction with gays. They crack me up, on one hand they claim to just want to be treated like everyone else, then we have gay days, gay pride parades, they ask for extra rights etc...that's where they loose me.
    Thirty-three words:

    If everyone sent their kids to private schools and had an HSA and gays didn't asked to be treated like citizens, America would be clean, perfect, gated Utopia and life would be good.

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    Marine Military Academy in Harlingen, TX

    Quote Originally Posted by Comer
    Two words, private school. My kids attended and currently attend two excellent private schools. My son graduated from the Marine Military Academy in Harlingen, TX and my daughter attends a very well known prep school in downtown Orlando.

    These are not buildings used for social engineering, they actually educate the children.

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    yeah no social engineering going on there at all

    Orlando? Lemme guess, the Chrisr Academy or the First Academy
    New School seems to Lib for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer Tan
    I want to know why a 5 yr old needs to be taught about masturbating and abortion.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uidelines.html
    That's funny. I wonder why not. Maybe we could fill each other in. You first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OES
    That's funny. I wonder why not. Maybe we could fill each other in. You first.
    Because it is an inapropriate intrusion on parental rights and duties. Nobody has any business teaching a 5 year old about sexual behavior outside of parental supervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit
    Because it is an inapropriate intrusion on parental rights and duties. Nobody has any business teaching a 5 year old about sexual behavior outside of parental supervision.
    I learned about masturbation personally my ownself at age 5, and I can guaran-goddam-TEE you I was outside of parental supervision.

    The guidelines say 12 for abortion. If I recally rightly, masturbation began to give way to other things about that time. That too, was outside of parental supervision. Everyone was flying blind. Especially the ones five years old and up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit
    Because it is an inapropriate intrusion on parental rights and duties. Nobody has any business teaching a 5 year old about sexual behavior outside of parental supervision.
    Same for praying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OES
    Thirty-three words:

    If everyone sent their kids to private schools and had an HSA and gays didn't asked to be treated like citizens, America would be clean, perfect, gated Utopia and life would be good.
    Well once the Mexicans and blacks are gone

    Oops, that's right black people are O.K. with conservatives today, just not back when they went and got all uppity in the '50s and '60s. And they really don't have any problems with the Mexicans just the ones that are here illegally (wink, wink).

    Unless of course they start having parades or cultural celebrations

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    Quote Originally Posted by OES
    That's funny. I wonder why not. Maybe we could fill each other in. You first.
    I find it ironic that those of the conservative persuasion complain about young children learning about certain things. The first time that my oldest daughter heard about abortion was when she was 7 years old and the conservative "christian" mother of one of her classmates, who was driving her in a car pool, had to set her straight when she said that her parents were voting for Bill Clinton (this was at the time of the 1996 election). The woman said that Bill Clinton and his ilk supported "killing babies in their mother's tummies" and then went into explicit detail as to exactly how this (abortion) was done. If I thought that this were an isolated incident, I would not post about it. But, I can remember being a Catholic school student at the time Roe v. Wade was decided and being given handouts with gory color photographs of aborted fetuses in class.
    I try to be perfectly civil, until someone really pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwaynebarry
    Well once the Mexicans and blacks are gone

    Oops, that's right black people are O.K. with conservatives today, just not back when they went and got all uppity in the '50s and '60s. And they really don't have any problems with the Mexicans just the ones that are here illegally (wink, wink).

    Unless of course they start having parades or cultural celebrations
    I was gonna add that Comer's perfect America would have no pesky gays, Mexes, or Negroes, and poor whites wouldn't exactly be welcome. But who knows? He may hold a heartful of love for all peoples, unless they sort of intrude on his line of sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OES
    I learned about masturbation personally my ownself at age 5, and I can guaran-goddam-TEE you I was outside of parental supervision.

    The guidelines say 12 for abortion. If I recally rightly, masturbation began to give way to other things about that time. That too, was outside of parental supervision. Everyone was flying blind. Especially the ones five years old and up.
    So did the teacher show you how to do it in your kindergarten reading circle or what? The idea that school is the place to teach this sh!t at the age of 5 is some kind of liberal wet dream.

    The very fact that you had to be taught how to play with yourself brings your natural instincts into question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit
    So did the teacher show you how to do it in your kindergarten reading circle or what? The idea that school is the place to teach this sh!t at the age of 5 is some kind of liberal wet dream.

    The very fact that you had to be taught how to play with yourself brings your natural instincts into question.
    So what's the big whoop? Every kid who ever lived masturbated. Despite what the Christians would have you believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwaynebarry
    I agree 2nd grade is not the place for that. Although would certainly be appropriate in a middle school or high school social studies course.

    That being said, assuming the anecdote is even true, do you really think it's part of the 2nd grade curriculum in Mass.? I would be shocked if it was, and why in the world wouldn't the parents be able to take their kid out of the school?
    My kids have known about gay people since they were at least that old. I really don't get the big deal. Kids can pretty easily grasp the fact that some men like men and some women like women much easier than some adults can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    My kids have known about gay people since they were at least that old. I really don't get the big deal. Kids can pretty easily grasp the fact that some men like men and some women like women much easier than some adults can.
    That is exactly why they make such good targets for indoctrination. They are sponges at that age, blank notebooks. I had never heard about gay at 5, of course, it wasn't "Gay" until I was much older. Back then a gay party just meant the people there had a lot of fun and it didn't necessarily imply sexual activity. A five year old could have a gay birthday party then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit
    That is exactly why they make such good targets for indoctrination. They are sponges at that age, blank notebooks. I had never heard about gay at 5, of course, it wasn't "Gay" until I was much older. Back then a gay party just meant the people there had a lot of fun and it didn't necessarily imply sexual activity. A fife year old could have a gay birthday party then.
    So the simple act of telling them that gay people exist is indoctrination? Or could it be that they are indoctrinated to hate gays? Or those who are a different color than they are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit
    That is exactly why they make such good targets for indoctrination. They are sponges at that age, blank notebooks. I had never heard about gay at 5, of course, it wasn't "Gay" until I was much older. Back then a gay party just meant the people there had a lot of fun and it didn't necessarily imply sexual activity. A five year old could have a gay birthday party then.
    I'm not even sure I had an idea what gay was in high school All we knew is there were girls who were Tom-Boys, and girly guys who deserved to be picked on and terrorized as a result. Talking to my college students nowadays even in NC, gay kids are pretty much accepted in High School. Call me crazy, but that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me that some of my fellow citizens get to live their lives without fear of being beat up or picked on constantly?

    I guess what I don't get is why does someone care? Are people afraid their kids are going to end up gay if they are told about it? I mean what's the consequence? Fewer people living repressed lives doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

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