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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb100 View Post
    Early warning of what?

    We do have satellites viewing what's going on in Russia at all times. Is this news?

    We spend too much on defense and Europe counts on this so they can spend less while providing universal health care and free education after high school.

    Is this fair, unfair, or just politics?

    Regardless, they have made commitments and should live up to them or change the commitment.

    Of course, NATO is obsolete. The EU is more than capable of defending themselves from any Russian threat. With backing from the US nuclear submarine fleet, no sane leader would attack Europe or the US.

    Nato is no protection from an insane leader with nuclear weapons.

    Just another distraction to play to the base and make liberals heads explode.
    Yep, pretty much. The Cold War is over. NATO is obsolete. Way past time to make the adjustments. The world has changed dramatically since WW2. NATO is now causing more harm than good, forcing Russia into a defensive posture, interfering with elections in neighboring countries all of whom are being invited to join NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Yep, pretty much. The Cold War is over. NATO is obsolete. Way past time to make the adjustments. The world has changed dramatically since WW2. NATO is now causing more harm than good, forcing Russia into a defensive posture, interfering with elections in neighboring countries all of whom are being invited to join NATO.
    There may actually be an argument for disbanding Nato. But alienating our allies is hardly a good way to go about doing it.

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    Russia is gleeful that their asset is doing such a good job




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    That's it.

    The other stat mentioned says Germany gets 9% of its energy from Russia, out of the 70% that comes from other countries. Trump frequently gets it slightly skewed like this, taking 70% of energy from other countries and saying its all from Russia. He probably didn't realize he got it wrong. The bottom line, his point, is still true: Russia supplies the largest chunk of energy to Germany, even if only 9% of total imports.
    That is so damn far from an "Opps I was a tad off on the numbers" mistake. He was flat out f*&$king wrong and he damn well knows it. After all he's surrounded by the best people. If Germany needs to get a small percentage of their energy (natural gas, which would be almost impossible for us to export to them), they are a soveiegn nation. Trump needs to come home and have some goddamn rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    Trump is not there to win a popularity contest, he speaks the truth....
    Stop right there; your earlier posted link shows that he wasn't speaking the truth.

    At all.

    It's his modus operandi (you can check here for details: Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact)

    Roughly two-thirds of the time, he's lying.
    More Americans wanted Hillary Clinton to be President than wanted Donald Trump.

    Donald Trump has never had a wife he didn't cheat on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Stop right there; your earlier posted link shows that he wasn't speaking the truth.

    At all.

    It's his modus operandi (you can check here for details: Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact)

    Roughly two-thirds of the time, he's lying.
    You call it lying, he calls it running for a second term.

    He got away with it the first time with nothing but a win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    There may actually be an argument for disbanding Nato. But alienating our allies is hardly a good way to go about doing it.
    I don't see any reason to get rid of the military coordination that's going to go on, regardless.

    I can see keeping some troops permanently stationed in Germany, if they agree. As a mutual defense pact, it's a useful treaty.

    But to look at it like something sacred is ridiculous.

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    The bully tactics are so transparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    The bully tactics are so transparent.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    TR used to say that all the time, 'bully'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb100 View Post
    You call it lying, he calls it running for a second term.

    He got away with it the first time with nothing but a win.
    He got away with it, and continues to get away with it, because useful idiots choose to support it. They'll keep doing so until the day the lie affects them directly. Then they'll either slink away or try to claim they never really supported him in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    He got away with it, and continues to get away with it, because useful idiots choose to support it. They'll keep doing so until the day the lie affects them directly. Then they'll either slink away or try to claim they never really supported him in the first place.
    Slink, you mean like a skinny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb100 View Post
    We spend too much on defense and Europe counts on this so they can spend less while providing universal health care and free education after high school.

    Is this fair, unfair, or just politics?
    Do you honestly believe European nations can provide their citizens Universal Health Care and Education after high school because they spend a "Little" less on their defense/NATO?

    Do you believe if the United States were to get that money back, they would actually use it to pay for Universal Health Care and Education after high school?


    I can tell you the answer ... it's an emphatic "NO" ... but it appears you would rather Trump lie, as it rattles Liberals ... which you seem to enjoy more than actually establishing good policy, good relationships with allies and telling the truth.

    The GOP has done everything in their power to destroy Universal Health care and they want to privatize ALL schools, not have the government start paying for college on top of high school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiebiker View Post
    Do you honestly believe European nations can provide their citizens Universal Health Care and Education after high school because they spend a "Little" less on their defense/NATO?

    Do you believe if the United States were to get that money back, they would actually use it to pay for Universal Health Care and Education after high school?


    I can tell you the answer ... it's an emphatic "NO" ... but it appears you would rather Trump lie, as it rattles Liberals ... which you seem to enjoy more than actually establishing good policy, good relationships with allies and telling the truth.

    The GOP has done everything in their power to destroy Universal Health care and they want to privatize ALL schools, not have the government start paying for college on top of high school.

    I guess I don't need to answer. You've looked into your crystal ball, seen the future and let us in on it. Gee, I wish I had a crystal ball.

    One thing we all know is that if there's a spare dollar, the Republicans will give a tax break to the rich.

    But then when the Democrats take over, they cry there's no money and raise taxes.

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    Germany's gdp is 3.4 trillion dollars a year.

    Even 1% A year, every year is not chump change.

    But that's not the point. We spend too much on defense and want to make Europe look stupid for not spending more.

    No one can defeat our nuclear sub force.

    We spend money to interfere all over the world.

    We provide stability so business can work it's Magic all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    There is so much wrong with your post.

    Trump did not speak the truth, he lied.
    The apologists live in an alternate reality. There is no point in interacting with them. They are delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiebiker View Post
    Do you honestly believe European nations can provide their citizens Universal Health Care and Education after high school because they spend a "Little" less on their defense/NATO?

    Do you believe if the United States were to get that money back, they would actually use it to pay for Universal Health Care and Education after high school?


    I can tell you the answer ... it's an emphatic "NO" ... but it appears you would rather Trump lie, as it rattles Liberals ... which you seem to enjoy more than actually establishing good policy, good relationships with allies and telling the truth.

    The GOP has done everything in their power to destroy Universal Health care and they want to privatize ALL schools, not have the government start paying for college on top of high school.
    There isn't any money for the US to "get back".

    The requirement is that the NATO countries all be spending 2% of their GDP military budgets by 2024. While many are not there yet, they are taking steps to meet that obligation.

    The US is currently spending about 3.5% of GDP on our military. Trump ran on, and one of the first things he did, was to increase that spending even more. So it seems rather disingenuous(some might say, downright phony) to be complaining about how much the US spends on the military compared to our NATO allies, or that the US could spend less if only they would spend more.


    Does anyone seriously think the US would cut military spending if the NATO countries were to double theirs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb100 View Post
    Slink, you mean like a skinny?
    Definition of slink

    slunk play \ˈsləŋk\ also slinked play \ˈsliŋ(k)t\; slinking
    intransitive verb
    1 : to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame) : steal


    But, hey, if that’s how you’re planning to do it, you can call it what you wish.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    Definition of slink

    slunk play \ˈsləŋk\ also slinked play \ˈsliŋ(k)t\; slinking
    intransitive verb
    1 : to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame) : steal


    But, hey, if that’s how you’re planning to do it, you can call it what you wish.


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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/on-the...icana?ref=wrap

    Trump obviously ain't a student of history. Everyone calling for the end of NATO does not live in a country bordering Russia do they? If some of y'all think our nukes guarantee any safety for Europe and we can just leave, just look at the stranglehold North Korea has on South Korea with just some conventional tanks and troops lined up on the border, we are powerless against that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOky View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/on-the...icana?ref=wrap

    Trump obviously ain't a student of history. Everyone calling for the end of NATO does not live in a country bordering Russia do they? If some of y'all think our nukes guarantee any safety for Europe and we can just leave, just look at the stranglehold North Korea has on South Korea with just some conventional tanks and troops lined up on the border, we are powerless against that.
    Why is Europe's safety our responsibility? Shouldn't that be up to Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    Why is Europe's safety our responsibility? Shouldn't that be up to Europe?
    And when your house is on fire, you’re going to put it out yourself, right???


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb100 View Post
    I predict that if Trump wins a second term, you will slink back into the bubble and find someone to blame.
    Not “someone”...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    Why is Europe's safety our responsibility? Shouldn't that be up to Europe?
    You must be very upset that NATO has had thousands of troops in Afghanistan for over a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    There isn't any money for the US to "get back".

    The requirement is that the NATO countries all be spending 2% of their GDP military budgets by 2024. While many are not there yet, they are taking steps to meet that obligation.

    The US is currently spending about 3.5% of GDP on our military. Trump ran on, and one of the first things he did, was to increase that spending even more. So it seems rather disingenuous(some might say, downright phony) to be complaining about how much the US spends on the military compared to our NATO allies, or that the US could spend less if only they would spend more.


    Does anyone seriously think the US would cut military spending if the NATO countries were to double theirs?
    True, but the US is also spending a large chunk of that 3 billion on NATO, paying for armaments the NATO members should be paying for. Trump says they've been given a free ride thanks to big brother across the pond.

    Analysts weakly argue that Russia is back on the offensive. Putin wants to "restore the Soviet Union." His game is balancing the chessboard, now that the US has gotten ICBM bases in Romania aimed at Russia, and the US is trying to get Ukraine and other Baltic states to abandon Russia, join NATO, and become the sworn enemy of their former colleague. Putin has seized Crimea and sent tanks to help the Russian ethnics in Ukraine, while the US with its NATO allies keeps up sanctions on Russia.

    The more pressure NATO exerts, directed and propped up by the US military-industrial complex, ever eager for more business, the more defensive Putin gets. This is not a good situation to get trapped in. It sets the psychological will to make war. Trump is talking to Putin for exactly that reason.

    Neither Russia nor NATO wants to start a shooting war, but it becomes inevitable if the current stupid hostility continues down its scary path. Putin is far from Hitler or Stalin, a joke in comparison. He wants security for Russia and if interfering in elections is the way to do that, he'll do it.

    The US has used the same tactics when challenged, such as in Chile, the Congo, and the outstanding example, Vietnam. Interfering with elections has been in the US playbook since at least the time TR led the Rough Riders into Cuba. Its in our DNA since the Monroe Doctrine. We consider the western hemisphere our turf. The Spanish, Portuguese, French and English gave up their colonies and we took over. We want Japanese, Russians, Chinese, to stay out of our way. That's the reason we built up a navy with global reach that can dominate the seas.

    Trump is right on target scaling back support of NATO, not to mention talking to NK and Russia, and moving on. But Trump has transformed his detractors into war mongering hawks. How did that happen? A bunch of suspicious ads on social media? Professionals hacking computer networks for intelligence? Or normal business deals between certain Americans and Russians? So far, that's all Mueller has gotten.

    The Soviet Union is a ghost from the past. The world would be a better place if we left it there.
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