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    Obama's gotten more done in three years than any president in decades.

    A six page article: The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - The Incomplete Greatness of Barack Obama

    A list of 50 things (for those who prefer to scan lists and read short paragraphs): The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

    Explicitly liberal links.

    Anyone care to discuss the CONTENT of those links and the claims made in them? As opposed to avoiding the content? If so, paste a section and then attack it, or praise it, or do both, as you see fit. Use your own words or the words of others as you think most effective. But focus on the claims made in the links, please.
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    I don't see "took all of our guns away" and "forced the U.S. into socialism" I thought those were happening too.

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    The only one I see as having become possibly a real problem due to unintended consequences is the credit card reform as banks continue to raise or introduce new fees to make up for lost revenue and by doing so are effecting a lot more people than what the old fees effected.

    The other one is the F-22, but that is because I like the F-22. Saw one fly a demo at an air show. That is one very impressive plane. Plus the Air Force is going to need a replacement for the F-15 at some point, which is what the F-22 was supposed to be. Although I'm sure they can come up with a new air superiority air plane.

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    Hey don't sell him so short. There's plenty more things you can come up with:

    -Ensured the 2nd amendment rights of Mexican citizens
    -Invested in struggling solar energy companies
    -Helped struggling Wall-Street CEOs regain their well-deserved bonuses
    -Eroded archaic 5th amendment protections
    -Increased petroleum distillate prices to speed energy independence
    -Invested in promising GPS-frequency wireless technology
    -Drastically increased food aid to nation's poor
    -Achieved record levels of US bond issuance
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    He does need another term to fully convert us to communism, single payer healthcare, and make us slaves to the Great Caliphate.

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    the Transformation to Communism Act (TCA) of 2010 wasn't even mentioned.

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    Gee, we'd never know!

    The worst thing about the Obama administration is they haven't talked up their accomplishments! The right wing opposition has actually gotten the most press time! That's kind of outrageous when you think about it. "No news is good news," as the saying goes.

    The financial bailout is telling in this lack of information:

    In 2008, the International Monetary Fund studied past financial crises in forty-two countries and found that their governments spent, on average, 13.3 percent of GDP to resolve them. By that measure, it would have cost the U.S. government $1.9 trillion. The Obama plan got the banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government, and in historically near-record time. Let that sink in.

    Yeah, LET that sink in! All we heard about were the grave protests of the fat cats, whining about Dodd-Frank, and how the free market is being taken over by socialism.

    Rush mentioned today that "2 million jobs have been lost since 2008, and they won't be coming back!" So what are these 3 million jobs ADDED since then? All flipping burgers? Well, about a half million are in the auto industry! We're hearing way too much from the Republican primaries and not nearly enough of the positive news about what's actually gotten done in DC. I sure hope the message gets out this summer! I think it is. Thanks, QQQ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    A six page article: The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - The Incomplete Greatness of Barack Obama

    A list of 50 things (for those who prefer to scan lists and read short paragraphs): The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

    Explicitly liberal links.

    Anyone care to discuss the CONTENT of those links and the claims made in them? As opposed to avoiding the content? If so, paste a section and then attack it, or praise it, or do both, as you see fit. Use your own words or the words of others as you think most effective. But focus on the claims made in the links, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moneyman View Post
    I did the list/short look. Interesting that I see a couple things about the author's conclusions:

    1. He sees this list of accomplishments as a sort of "job well done, Mr. President" and I see the same list as "what a disaster." All has to do with point-of-view.

    2. The list credits him with having accomplished all those things. Nowhere does it give any credit to anyone else. Regarding his first "accomplishment", "Passed Health Care Reform." If I recall correctly, he never proposed a plan. Rather, he waited for Congress to draw it up and then he signed it. Not much leadership there. Seems like the only thing the author left out was "leaps tall buildings in a single bound."

    But that's not entirely surprising. Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US. It's almost always "I". I believe he is one of the most egocentric people I have ever seen. There is no humility in that man. A President has to have a pretty big ego and pretty thick skin, but Obama doesn't seem to realize that there are more people in the government than himself.

    It's a silly piece, written by a shameless Obama fan. As information, it rates a 0.05 out of 100. As entertainment, less than that. I know opinion pieces aren't about objectivity, but this one is simply too much fanaticism.
    Oh it's even better. He has his own web site promoting all these "accomplishments". Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    A six page article: The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - The Incomplete Greatness of Barack Obama

    A list of 50 things (for those who prefer to scan lists and read short paragraphs): The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

    Explicitly liberal links.

    Anyone care to discuss the CONTENT of those links and the claims made in them? As opposed to avoiding the content? If so, paste a section and then attack it, or praise it, or do both, as you see fit. Use your own words or the words of others as you think most effective. But focus on the claims made in the links, please.
    I did the list/short look. Interesting that I see a couple things about the author's conclusions:

    1. He sees this list of accomplishments as a sort of "job well done, Mr. President" and I see the same list as "what a disaster." All has to do with point-of-view.

    2. The list credits him with having accomplished all those things. Nowhere does it give any credit to anyone else. Regarding his first "accomplishment", "Passed Health Care Reform." If I recall correctly, he never proposed a plan. Rather, he waited for Congress to draw it up and then he signed it. Not much leadership there. Seems like the only thing the author left out was "leaps tall buildings in a single bound."

    But that's not entirely surprising. Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US. It's almost always "I". I believe he is one of the most egocentric people I have ever seen. There is no humility in that man. A President has to have a pretty big ego and pretty thick skin, but Obama doesn't seem to realize that there are more people in the government than himself.

    It's a silly piece, written by a shameless Obama fan. As information, it rates a 0.05 out of 100. As entertainment, less than that. I know opinion pieces aren't about objectivity, but this one is simply too much fanaticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Rush mentioned today that "2 million jobs have been lost since 2008, and they won't be coming back!" So what are these 3 million jobs ADDED since then? All flipping burgers? Well, about a half million are in the auto industry! We're hearing way too much from the Republican primaries and not nearly enough of the positive news about what's actually gotten done in DC. I sure hope the message gets out this summer! I think it is. Thanks, QQQ!
    There are 2 million fewer jobs now than there were in 2008. And there have been ~ 4.5 million added to the work force during that time as well. There are only 500,00 UAW jobs total in the US. Bailing out Chrysler and GM was exactly the wrong thing to do. Much better to allow them to file bankruptcy (Chapter 7), continue to operate, and renogiate their labor contracts. Barry Ritholtz (Bailout Nation) points out that the bailout of Chrysler back in 1980 was in fact a crippling blow to the market share of US auto makers. Failure to rebuild their business models and control their costs resulted in the relative success of the German, Japanese, and Korean auto makers in the US market. In 1980 their were 1.5 million UAW workers in the US - now 0.5 million. Some of the losses are due to productivity improvements but loss of market share is the dominant factor.

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    Awwww...

    Quote Originally Posted by Live Steam View Post
    Yes of course. He's the Chosen One. What else should we expect from him? He's the Leeroy Jenkins of the free world, boldly going where none dare to tread
    You guys are just sore because Obama showed y'all up! You can hash it out any way you want, but the facts remain valid. Debate those, if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moneyman View Post
    I did the list/short look. Interesting that I see a couple things about the author's conclusions:

    1. He sees this list of accomplishments as a sort of "job well done, Mr. President" and I see the same list as "what a disaster." All has to do with point-of-view.

    2. The list credits him with having accomplished all those things. Nowhere does it give any credit to anyone else. Regarding his first "accomplishment", "Passed Health Care Reform." If I recall correctly, he never proposed a plan. Rather, he waited for Congress to draw it up and then he signed it. Not much leadership there. Seems like the only thing the author left out was "leaps tall buildings in a single bound."

    But that's not entirely surprising. Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US. It's almost always "I". I believe he is one of the most egocentric people I have ever seen. There is no humility in that man. A President has to have a pretty big ego and pretty thick skin, but Obama doesn't seem to realize that there are more people in the government than himself.

    It's a silly piece, written by a shameless Obama fan. As information, it rates a 0.05 out of 100. As entertainment, less than that. I know opinion pieces aren't about objectivity, but this one is simply too much fanaticism.
    Health care reform was necessary. He started the ball rolling and got congress, and health care providers, to come up with their ideas. He did the same with the auto companies and banks. He wanted them to get involved working out the solutions. Simply laying out edicts wouldn't have done it. It would have been stupid. Getting players involved is smart, no? It worked. The bank bailouts ended up costing taxpayers nothing, and the auto bailouts will probably do the same.

    As far as loss of market share to foreign auto makers, that's been going on since the late '70s when gas prices started going way up. GM, Ford and Chrysler are now doing just fine, according to what I've been reading. They were all stuck on building SUVs. That's what killed them. Now they're building cars, with incentives provided by the Obama administration, and competing with Toyota Camry and Honda Civic. Chrysler is doing well with their 200 and 300 series sedans, Ford with their Focus, and Chevy with their little 4 door sedan, name escapes me. I'm seeing a lot of them. They look as well made as Toyota or Honda, and getting good reviews in the auto mags.

    Also, just as Honda, Toyota and BMW are building vehicles in the US, so are GM, Ford, Chrysler building overseas. Fords are selling well in Brazil for example. Chrysler is doing really well in China. So the auto market has changed, on top of the difficulties it had after the money meltdown. I'll give Obama and his advisers credit for helping the American auto makers through the hard times. It could have been much worse, as with the banks.

    The operative principle here is O's guys realized "you have to spend money to make money." Government helping businesses, if they are major players in the economy, is nothing new. It's expected. It's the responsible thing to do. Bankrupting companies, laying off their employees and selling their assets is irresponsible.

    Bush would have done the same thing Obama is so criticized for doing. That's just lowbrow politics playing on the "conservative" base, the Fox viewers, the religious right. Obama is dragging them, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century. They can't stand it, because he's showing them up, a black intellectual of international stature, deftly working out solutions to the problems handed him, and getting the country up and running. They only wish they could have done the same. So they withdraw into issues of sexual morality, about the only area they have anything to say. Pathetic.

    What's "silly" about the piece? What accomplishments do you have issue with? If I want to be entertained by non sequiturs I'll tune into Fox News. Give me some meat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Bush would have done the same thing Obama is so criticized for doing. That's just lowbrow politics playing on the "conservative" base, the Fox viewers, the religious right. Obama is dragging them, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century. They can't stand it, because he's showing them up, a black intellectual of international stature, deftly working out solutions to the problems handed him, and getting the country up and running. They only wish they could have done the same. So they withdraw into issues of sexual morality, about the only area they have anything to say. Pathetic.
    Well said! The GOP had their collective asses handed to them by a person whom they look down on as nothing more than a janitor and it is eating at them. Got to admit, Obama seems to be doing a great job of cleaning out the sh!t. I can't wait till he gets his second term in high gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moneyman View Post

    But that's not entirely surprising. Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US. It's almost always "I". I believe he is one of the most egocentric people I have ever seen. There is no humility in that man. A President has to have a pretty big ego and pretty thick skin, but Obama doesn't seem to realize that there are more people in the government than himself.

    It's a silly piece, written by a shameless Obama fan. As information, it rates a 0.05 out of 100. As entertainment, less than that. I know opinion pieces aren't about objectivity, but this one is simply too much fanaticism.
    How about we look at how objective you are being on the pronoun thing, shall we?

    Presidential pronouns: Is it all about him? | The Economist

    OVER at the Corner, the main group blog of the National Review, two writers (Mark Steyn and Elliot Abrams) and many commenters have complained that Barack Obama was too free with the first-person singular last night; specifically, that his use of "I", "me" and "my" claimed too much credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden. Since Mark Liberman hasn't gotten to it yet as he usually does (their servers seem to be down at Language Log), here are my counts for Mr Obama's announcement:

    I: 9
    me: 2
    my: 3

    Is that a lot or a little, in 1,389 words in this context? It's hard to say, since these things don't get announced very often. In the 745 words George Bush used to announce the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq, the totals were

    I: 5
    me: 1
    my: 2

    Numbers this small don't tell us much. But just a few more data points: here's Mr Obama with the first person plural:

    we: 37
    us: 7
    our: 46
    So about half the words for Bush, and about half the the first person singular. Plus lots of plural pronouns for Obama. Is that "rarely" using we in your mind?


    And how about a little SOTU analysis? Since 1934.

    Obama's SOTU: Uniting the Country...through Pronouns? - Smart Politics

    A Smart Politics analysis of orally delivered State of the Union Addresses since Franklin Roosevelt's first address in 1934 finds President Obama's 2011 speech recorded the second largest percentage of first-personal plural pronouns out of nearly 70 such addresses.

    In total, more than 5 percent of Obama's speech included these "unifying" pronouns - 354 out of nearly 6,900 words - or 5.14 percent of the President's speech.

    That means more than 1 out of every 20 words delivered by Obama fell into the pronoun families of "we, our, and us."

    Obama's 2011 State of the Union included:

    · 147 uses of the word "we," plus another 40 cases of its related offshoots "we'll," "we're," and "we've."

    · 122 instances of the word "our," plus four more of "ours" and "ourselves."

    · 33 uses of the word "us," plus another eight cases of "let's" (let us).

    The only president over the past 77 years who delivered a State of the Union address with a larger percentage of first-person plural pronouns was Democrat Harry Truman in 1951 - in his first address after the onset of the Korean War.
    That one also has the numbers in table form, if you wish to compare presidents.

    Seems that the data falsifies your claim. Obama uses plural pronouns a great deal, even compared to other presidents. Gosh, I wonder where you might have gotten the idea that "Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US"? Hmmmmm? Been paying attention to right wing claims and not being critical of them before accepting them?

    Sad. Very sad. Especially someone who lived by the numbers for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live Steam View Post
    Oh it's even better. He has his own web site promoting all these "accomplishments". Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center
    So you figured out he's a liberal supporter of Obama?

    "Explicitly liberal links" and the titles of the links in the OP didn't give you a clue on that?
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    thanks for the laugh.

    that article was a complete joke.
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    Liberals get all kinds of pissy when confronted with the Marxist's own words of wanting to "fundamentally change" this Country. Now...his cheerleaders here are touting the movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RkFast View Post
    Liberals get all kinds of pissy when confronted with the Marxist's own words of wanting to "fundamentally change" this Country. Now...his cheerleaders here are touting the movement.
    Obama isn't out to fundamentally change the country. He's moderate, he cuts deals, he compromises too much for that. In fact, one of those links says one of his defining characteristics is "caution".

    What, exactly, in those links do you think is even close to trying to "fundamentally change" this country? Give examples please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    thanks for the laugh.

    that article was a complete joke.
    What accomplishments in the links are false? Which did not happen? Which did Obama have nothing to do with? Make your case.

    You can disagree about whether what he has done is good or bad (as moneyman did), that's obvious. But if you want to claim he has done little or nothing, you have some work to do to back that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    Obama uses plural pronounsl
    Very interesting.

    A fundamental truth about Obama is revealed.

    His behavior matches his words.

    How rare is sincerity in politics?

    The president believes in our community and builds it. That's the job he has done all his life.

    As opposed to grasping at wedge issues to divide and diminish us.

    Barack Hussein Obama makes the Republican candidates look like the petulant children they are.

    Voters, especially women, better be paying attention.
    We're letting a couple hundred billionaires scam us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    How about we look at how objective you are being on the pronoun thing, shall we?

    Presidential pronouns: Is it all about him? | The Economist



    So about half the words for Bush, and about half the the first person singular. Plus lots of plural pronouns for Obama. Is that "rarely" using we in your mind?


    And how about a little SOTU analysis? Since 1934.

    Obama's SOTU: Uniting the Country...through Pronouns? - Smart Politics



    That one also has the numbers in table form, if you wish to compare presidents.

    Seems that the data falsifies your claim. Obama uses plural pronouns a great deal, even compared to other presidents. Gosh, I wonder where you might have gotten the idea that "Obama rarely uses the term "we" when describing actions of the US"? Hmmmmm? Been paying attention to right wing claims and not being critical of them before accepting them?

    Sad. Very sad. Especially someone who lived by the numbers for so long.
    agreed. I've rarely heard him talk using first person language, if ever.

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    once again, Rk, by using Obama and Marxist in the same sentence you have excluded yourself from being part of any intelligent political discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by bahueh View Post
    agreed. I've rarely heard him talk using first person language, if ever.
    He uses the Royal We?

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