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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    Our health care is free in the respect that it is covered under our income taxes. We only have additional insurance for medications & private hospital rooms. We don't pay anything out of our pockets when we go to the doctor.
    You realize every link, every example you gave predates Trudeau right? So you should really lay your complaints on Harper's door.

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    Regarding Khadr... again you can follow the details back to Stephen Harper.

    When Khadr was 11, his father forced his son to leave Canada to fight for al Qaida in Afghanistan. Khadr did not want to go (what 11-year-old would?) and sometimes hid from his extremist father in Afghanistan.

    In 2002, at the age of 15, Khadr ended up in a firefight with American forces. He says he remembers little of what happened. He was found by American soldiers buried under debris, badly wounded. Khadr was the only al Qaida member left alive in the compound — and U.S. medic Christopher Speer had been killed.

    As the only al Qaida survivor, Khadr got the blame — despite of the absence of evidence, and in spite of being a child soldier. He should have been separated from adult prisoners and placed in a rehabilitation program, with Canada’s help.

    Instead, the U.S. military shipped him to Guantanamo, where evidence against him could be concocted. At two points, in 2003 and 2004, Khadr was interviewed by Canadian officials who knew he had been sleep-deprived for weeks. The results of those interviews were provided to American officials — but not to Khadr, who was denied legal counsel.

    Subsequently, the U.S. Supreme Court twice declared the “trial” process at Guantanamo Bay illegal under U.S. and international law.

    Some Canadian lawyers were outraged when they heard about Khadr’s situation, and initiated litigation on his behalf. When the case reached the Supreme Court in 2008, the judges wrote that Khadr’s rights as a Canadian had been egregiously violated. According to their ruling, he was tortured into giving evidence. He had not been treated as a child soldier, as he should have been. The actions of Canadian officials violated the rule of law.

    The SCC found that Khadr had the right to see the evidence against him. Subsequently, the House of Commons Subcommittee on International Human Rights recommended that Khadr be repatriated to Canada to be dealt with under Canadian law. But the Harper minority government was content to let Khadr languish in Guantanamo Bay, abandoning the traditional Conservative defence of the rule of law.

    It was the Harper government’s decision to, from 2008 to 2015, ignore the Charter of Rights, the Supreme Court and Canada’s obligation to rehabilitate child soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Did you forget the part where the Supreme Court unanimously ruled on Jan. 29, 2010 that Khadr's human rights were being violated at Guantanamo Bay? Khadr was a child when captured. It's unheard of to take a child off of a battlefield and torture him for more than a decade.

    p.s. Mr. Khadr’s lawyers had filed a $20-million lawsuit against the federal government. Two federal insiders say Ottawa had no choice but to settle with Mr. Khadr because a court case could have cost taxpayers much more than $10.5-million.
    The gov't settled. They was NO ruling to pay that terrorist one red cent. The gov't could have fought it (as they should have done) and MAYBE he would have been rewarded some money or maybe he wouldn't have. The gov't tried to keep it a secret and only because somebody in the PMO's office leaked it to the press was it known. He killed a damn US soldier and blinded another. He deserved nothing.

    In fact, the very kind US medic should have left him to die. He also complained about his medical treatment he received from the US military. They flew in an eye specialist to help save his eye.

    Child soldier my a$$. Carrying around severed hands and filmed making IED's to kill NATO soldiers and happy to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Regarding Khadr... again you can follow the details back to Stephen Harper.
    NO you can follow it back to Chretien & Martin. The "unconstitutional" treatment happened under their watch.

    Why will Omar Khadr receive $10.5M? Because the Supreme Court ruled his rights were violated - Politics - CBC News

    In that case, the court dealt with the visit of CSIS and Foreign Affairs officials to the prison in 2003 and 2004, under the previous Liberal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Did you forget the part where the Supreme Court unanimously ruled on Jan. 29, 2010 that Khadr's human rights were being violated at Guantanamo Bay? Khadr was a child when captured. It's unheard of to take a child off of a battlefield and torture him for more than a decade.
    No, I didn't forget the parts you're mentioning. Nor do they have any bearing on Trudeau authorizing a 10.5 million dollar payout.
    I can't say I look at all of the "parts" you mention through the same lens you do.
    I don't know if I'd consider a 15 year old who intentionally threw a hand grenade a child nor would I necessarily prosecute him as a child.
    Did the Supreme Court mandate the payment that Trudeau gave to Khadr? Was Khadr's civil suit completed and ruled on or did Trudeau decide to pay him prior to that happening? Those two questions are very easy to answer.

    "torture him for more than a decade." Hyperbole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    NO you can follow it back to Chretien & Martin. The "unconstitutional" treatment happened under their watch.

    Why will Omar Khadr receive $10.5M? Because the Supreme Court ruled his rights were violated - Politics - CBC News
    Which is it? Was it unconstitutional treatment or not? You're on both sides of the fence and happily so so long as you can blame the Liberal Govt.

    It was Harper's inaction from 2008 to 2015, when he decided to ignore the Charter of Rights that led to the lion’s share of the $10.5 million paid to Khadr for being wrongfully imprisoned and mistreated.

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    Take me to your leader...

    Hey, hey, hey... take it to a new Trudeau thread if you want to keep debating minutiae of Canadian politics. NTTAWWT.

    We’re looking a new leader of the free world here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STSSMFT View Post
    No, I didn't forget the parts you're mentioning. Nor do they have any bearing on Trudeau authorizing a 10.5 million dollar payout.
    I can't say I look at all of the "parts" you mention through the same lens you do.
    I don't know if I'd consider a 15 year old who intentionally threw a hand grenade a child nor would I necessarily prosecute him as a child.
    Did the Supreme Court mandate the payment that Trudeau gave to Khadr? Was Khadr's civil suit completed and ruled on or did Trudeau decide to pay him prior to that happening? Those two questions are very easy to answer.

    "torture him for more than a decade." Hyperbole?
    He entered the battlefield at 11 years of age. According to the Charter of Rights, he was a child soldier. The evidence that Khadr threw the grenade is suspect at best, contradicted by some on the battlefield. He was the remaining enemy left alive so he inherited the blame. You're satisfied with that and look no further. He was not prosecuted, he was imprisoned. Prosecution assumes the defendant is able to launch a defense. Analysts of the court case determined that given the SC ruled that Khadr's rights were violated, that Canada would inevitably lose the case or spend more than the settlement amount defending it.

    You can hardly speak of whatever form of torture he experienced in Gitmo. The fact that you're content to write it off as a deserving treatment for a child speaks volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    Hey, hey, hey... take it to a new Trudeau thread if you want to keep debating minutiae of Canadian politics. NTTAWWT.

    We’re looking a new leader of the free world here.
    I wouldn't choose Trudeau. Mind you, compared to Trump, Bashir might be preferable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Which is it? Was it unconstitutional treatment or not? You're on both sides of the fence and happily so so long as you can blame the Liberal Govt.

    It was Harper's inaction from 2008 to 2015, when he decided to ignore the Charter of Rights that led to the lion’s share of the $10.5 million paid to Khadr for being wrongfully imprisoned and mistreated.
    Where did I say it wasn't? All I said was we were under NO obligation to pay him. We could have fought it out in civil court and maybe we would have to pay and maybe we wouldn't have to.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...it_claims.html

    The Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the Canadian government in sending agents from the country’s spy service to interrogate Khadr in Guantanamo in 2003 was unconstitutional and “offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects.”

    Khadr’s lawsuit alleges that information gleaned from those visits contributed to his prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    Hey, hey, hey... take it to a new Trudeau thread if you want to keep debating minutiae of Canadian politics. NTTAWWT.

    We’re looking a new leader of the free world here.
    You are right, we are off topic, my apologies.
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    If we aren't the leaders, I'm going to expect a big rebate from the IRS, as the military budget should be reduced to say just insane level, from OMG warp vector 11 level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    You are right, we are off topic, my apologies.
    No worries. It’s good to know Canadians are passionate about their politics, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duriel View Post
    If we aren't the leaders, I'm going to expect a big rebate from the IRS, as the military budget should be reduced to say just insane level, from OMG warp vector 11 level.
    Fair point. And military spending is certainly a big stick that helps secure leader status. Trump* will keep that component because it’s chum for the sharks. Meanwhile, the G19 is going to figure out it might not need us as much.

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    Actually, I was fully expecting somebody to point out Trudeau's faults. Which is fine, I'm the stereotypical American who barely knows wtf is going on elsewhere in the world, including with our neighbors, so I'm learning.

    Hahahaha, Trudeau. You have to be kidding. All he can say is what was written for him

    That's what mute buttons are for.

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    (Honestly, these photos really are a treat, such a contrast to what we have to endure in the US. I'm just going to enjoy the eye candy for a while and pretend he's ours.................)
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    oh... Oh.... OH... OH CANADA!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    oh... Oh.... OH... OH CANADA!!!
    Thinking about emigrating IS pretty exciting, isn't it?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christine View Post
    Thinking about emigrating IS pretty exciting, isn't it?!

    I'll admit it...I'm watching recruiter sites for listings.

    Harsher winters would be a thing to HTFU to...OTOH the open-season on cyclists in the USA has gotten really old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I'll admit it...I'm watching recruiter sites for listings.

    Harsher winters would be a thing to HTFU to...OTOH the open-season on cyclists in the USA has gotten really old.
    My husband had to travel to Calgary a bunch of times for a project, and we spent a week up there for vacation when he was done with the last visit. Got to check out the Royal Tyrell Museum, Lake Louise, did some hiking.......absolutely loved it.

    I picked my college b/c it was close to the border. Did a lot of visiting- Quebec, Montreal, even the Winterlude in Ottawa. Always a blast. And amazing cycling, they have bicycle highways for crying out loud!!

    John thought there might be a small possibility of moving up there for work, and I was getting used to the idea! Are they still taking applicants? Some areas are very happy to increase their population with ex-pats, but there's no work or anything in those parts.

    And the scenery, did I mention the scenery??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christine View Post
    My husband had to travel to Calgary a bunch of times for a project, and we spent a week up there for vacation when he was done with the last visit. Got to check out the Royal Tyrell Museum, Lake Louise, did some hiking.......absolutely loved it.

    I picked my college b/c it was close to the border. Did a lot of visiting- Quebec, Montreal, even the Winterlude in Ottawa. Always a blast. And amazing cycling, they have bicycle highways for crying out loud!!

    John thought there might be a small possibility of moving up there for work, and I was getting used to the idea! Are they still taking applicants? Some areas are very happy to increase their population with ex-pats, but there's no work or anything in those parts.

    And the scenery, did I mention the scenery??

    LOL...Yea Nebraska made the news this week:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-new-residents

    Nebraska has a spreading epidemic of ghost towns. The kids out in farm country have to leave their county typically for K12 education (counties don't have enough kids nvm tax money to justify their own K12 school, so you have tri-county schools)...and to get a college or university education have to travel across state to the "big city" AKA Grand Island/Lincoln/Omaha...After which they don't come back. Why? Quite simply there's no jobs. Result being that small town Nebraska is increasingly gray-haired and or empty. So yea NE is resorting to the Homestead Act approach to try and get people to come back or stay....which is problematic when there's no work.

    If you're a farm girl your "career" options are basically saloon keeper or farm wife. No small wonder the kids leave and don't come back, eh?


    Between the political insanity, insane COL that is only going up, and the let-em-bleed-you-dry attitude towards market controls...I think I'm ready for a change of scenery. Only catch is the taxes side, as the USA demands foreign living citizens still pay US income tax AFAIK.
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    Uh oh... Macron made a personal appearance at the end of Stage 17 today... chatting up the riders... he moves up on my list.
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    NE is resorting to the Homestead Act approach to try and get people to come back or stay....which is problematic when there's no work.

    I'm spending a lot of time these days trying to find assisted-living options for my mother. Checked out a great place yesterday, but it's private-pay and starts at around $6k/month.

    NE might consider opening up some Medicaid-friendly retirement homes Other states are much more affordable for retirement and beyond.

    Anyway. Macaron was at the Tour, huh? That does score some points. But I haven't seen my dreamboat leader all day and could use the vicarious thrill................

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